• The Amazing Spider-Man (2012) - Spidey's back in a brand spanking new movie!
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[QUOTE=Flyingman356;36718695]Stop thinking of it as a remake. [editline]11th July 2012[/editline] Seriously, watch it again. I wouldn't even call it a good movie, it was just so insanely cheesy.[/QUOTE] It was the sort of movie where the cheesiness worked in its favor. It was the good kind of cheesy; the kind that reflected its comic book origins, and made it really fun. Of course, there is a very fine line between fun cheesy and stupid cheesy, and Spider-Man 3 is where they went overboard and fucked it up. [editline]11th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=AutomataReturns;36720297] This films Peter Parker was much better than Maguire's performance. Maguire portrayed Peter as sort of a whiny nerd. I mean, he rode a little motor scooter for fuck's sake. They clearly wanted his Peter self to be as nerdy as possible, but his Spider-Man to be stronger, more agile but still came off as a nerd. In this film, Garfield plays him as a bit more of an independent, from subtle things like the auto-lock on his door to his sneaking into Oscorp all by himself. They wanted this Peter to be more in control of his own actions and no longer be a victim of circumstance. It was no longer a random spider that escaped and bit him, he [I]chose[/I] to go into that room, and while it was a coincidence that his father bred those spiders, it was not up to chance that he got bitten. [/QUOTE] Not sure if you've read the comics, but Peter Parker [I]is[/I] a whiny nerd who is always the victim of circumstance. Seriously, if you look at the comics, you will find that at least 80% of them are about Peter talking about how shit his life is and how being Spider-Man just ruins everything. I don't know why people think that is exclusive to the Raimi movies.
[QUOTE=Whatsinaname;36720319]It was the sort of movie where the cheesiness worked in its favor. It was the good kind of cheesy; the kind that reflected its comic book origins, and made it really fun. Of course, there is a very fine line between fun cheesy and stupid cheesy, and Spider-Man 3 is where they went overboard and fucked it up. [editline]11th July 2012[/editline] Not sure if you've read the comics, but Peter Parker [I]is[/I] a whiny nerd who is always the victim of circumstance. Seriously, if you look at the comics, you will find that at least 80% of them are about Peter talking about how shit his life is and how being Spider-Man just ruins everything. I don't know why people think that is exclusive to the Raimi movies.[/QUOTE] Except that he's not like that in the ultimate line, which is where much of this film is rooted.
[QUOTE=sdwise;36720486]Except that he's not like that in the ultimate line, which is where much of this film is rooted.[/QUOTE] And the Raimi movies are NOT rooted in the Ultimate line. There, problem solved. If A=B and B=C, then A=C. So if Ultimate Peter=Not Whiny and Garfield Peter=Not Whiny (even though I think he was plenty whiny, more angsty maybe, but still), then Ultimate Peter=Garfield Peter. Meanwhile, if Amazing Peter=Whiny and Toby Peter=Whiny, then Amazing Peter=Toby Peter. They're two different series with two different tones. The two have different strengths and different weaknesses. Comparing the two is like comparing the Nolan Batman movies to the Burton Batman movies. Both series are great for their own different reasons. Can we stop this BS "oh, but THIS WAS MORE COMPLEX..." and "But THAT was SOOO CHEESY" argument now? Neither movie is totally perfect, but they're both GOOD MOVIES. There's room for two Spider-Men in the world of cinema (three? well, they'd have to really blow us away or mix some shit up big time for that to work...)
[QUOTE=BanthaFodder;36723401] There's room for two Spider-Men in the world of cinema (three? well, they'd have to really blow us away or mix some shit up big time for that to work...)[/QUOTE] Speaking of multiple spider-men, i want to see a movie with this mother fucker right here in it: [img]http://www.samruby.com/Heroes/ScarletSpider/Scarlet01.gif[/img] [editline]11th July 2012[/editline] To be honest, if they did have him, they'd probably use either the new scarlet spider outfit (warn by the other clone) [img]http://crazymoviepeople.com/blog2/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Spider1.jpg[/img] Or the suit he had when he was spider-man in the comics, [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111025074542/marveldatabase/images/9/94/Spider-Man_II_(Ben_Reilly).JPG[/img] Cause the hoodie would probably end up looking silly over a completely blood red skin tight suit.
[QUOTE=sdwise;36716178]It's a movie that was based on a completely experimental comic from 2000... This not only goes for Fingers, but also everyone else who seems to like ripping the film for being cliche and having "plot holes" that really arent. Ultimate Spider-Man was the [i]first[/i] Ultimate comic ever. It was a completely experimental release designed to make the mundane, confusing, and cliche Spider-Man become cool and accessible again while still maintaining the cliche charm of old-timey comics. Does the film have a few issues? Sure. But none that are absolutely unexplainable (why didn't they just ride the Eagles into Mordor, again?) The erratic behavior of the Lizard is easily explained by his [sp]fractured psyche.[/sp] [sp]Ben grabbing the gun?[/sp] He was being a good guy to his own detriment. Don't expect Hollywood to hold your hand through a film and explain every little thing. I, for one, get insulted when I can sit through a movie and not have to think about why something happened. We all loved The Dark Knight, right? There are confusing points in that film the first time through, but Nolan basically says "figure it out." I [i]love[/i] when a movie assumes it's audience can figure stuff out. And more importantly, all of these things either came directly from the comics or would fit perfectly in them. That alone makes it a successful Spider-Man movie. [editline]10th July 2012[/editline] Also, my only real issue was the soundtrack. My friend brought this up today, but did anyone else think the music was god-awful when [sp]Gwen was hiding from Lizard at Oscorp?[/sp] High pitched piano keys and shit. Belonged in the Exorcist.[/QUOTE] You are confusing "figure it out because I hid a meaning behind it and did it with an intention" and "I'm sure you guys'll figure something out to fill my script holes" [editline]11th July 2012[/editline] Also I have no clue about the comics, what I (and Rusty) am saying is that the film didn't even make sense within its own comic logic and rather looked like someone made a checklist of what to put in ( - goofy Spidey (car scene) - school fight (teen angst service) - nerdy peter (making the web thing) - super-duper modern peter so hopefully people don't confuse it as a remake(skateboarding pro) - new lovestory (I'm not gonna tell you ok I tell you who cares you're in danger) - douchy villain(throwing cars off bridge) ) My main critique would be that they completely took out the moral decisions he has to make. In Spidey 1,2 and 3 to some degree he always(like in the comics I think) had this "the people I love are in danger because I help other people" conflict with himself. Additionally to that he had some sort of connection with the soon to be villains and the villains themselves. Yes sure the doc is a friend of his father but other than that he doesn't know him at all, is even shrugged off by the doc when he gave the answer to that question in the lab. There is absolutely no moral conflict at all in this movie and thus it misses the main drive for character development. It could be a "villain of the day x-files principle" 1 hour long episode of a series and that is why in my eyes it absolutely failed as a movie.
That bit he [sp]used the webs to find the Lizard[/sp]. Then when he [sp]wrapped The Lizard up like a real spider[/sp] They made him really bug like, it was cool. The action in this movie was really well shot. I understand peoples gripes, though I do disagree. It's opinion and it's down to them. But I really liked this movie. As much as I enjoyed Avengers. [sp]Uncle Ben being brave to the point it's stupid, Lizard throwing off cars and hearing voices and Spidey being a smart arse are all fine by me. The fact people are even debating if Uncle Ben grabbing the gun was smart or not is the film stepping on some interesting ground. Would you take a stupid risk to do something good? Or keep cool and intelligent about it all. Is doing the later cold? I think the point was to show Uncle Ben didn't give a shit about consequences and wanted to save the day. He felt it was his responsibility. It's what Spider-Man did through the whole film. Lizard throwing off the cars wasn't silly to me. The Lizard itself is a creature of instinct. Connors didn't want to kill the guy or release a virus onto Manhattan either. But the Lizards determination to survive became probably too overpowering. He was going to accomplish his goal by any means. He threw those cars off the edge because frankly he stopped giving a shit. The complaint about him hearing voices are stupid. It was clearly his own voice. I feel they cut too many Connors scenes out and all the wrong ones. I hope they have good reason. I still think the fact his family was cast and filmed but never seen is a MASSIVE kill joy. It'd definitely help with the moral ground. I think Connors grabbing Spidey at the end when he regained his humanity was a nice touch too. If you have a problem with that then you'd hate the game, The Lizard is a hero in it. The Lizard is a sort of anti-hero anyway. Spidey being a smart arse was no odder to me than Hamlet talking to a skull. It's part of the character. It didn't seem out of place either. The cinema I was in cracked up at the silence after the "Are you a cop?" and the follow up "Do I look like a cop?". People also laughed whenever he webbed anybodies mouth shut. I thought the gag was slightly overused but Stark is arrogant, Banner is cautious, and Spidey is supposed to be annoying[/sp] Then somebody mentioned how in the comic Spidey is a whiny bitch. Very true. He is. But not crying whiney. Sure he gets in a sulk when the F4 tell him to piss off, he gives up trying to stop Chameleon because people keep trying to arrest him and goes home and cries etc. But to me that was always crap. It just bugged me reading it. It vanished quickly when Stan stopped writing.
The swinging in this film was so much cooler than in the Raimi films. I liked the end where [sp] He launched himself from inside the crane [/sp]
[QUOTE=BanthaFodder;36723401]And the Raimi movies are NOT rooted in the Ultimate line. There, problem solved. If A=B and B=C, then A=C. So if Ultimate Peter=Not Whiny and Garfield Peter=Not Whiny (even though I think he was plenty whiny, more angsty maybe, but still), then Ultimate Peter=Garfield Peter. Meanwhile, if Amazing Peter=Whiny and Toby Peter=Whiny, then Amazing Peter=Toby Peter. They're two different series with two different tones. The two have different strengths and different weaknesses. Comparing the two is like comparing the Nolan Batman movies to the Burton Batman movies. Both series are great for their own different reasons. Can we stop this BS "oh, but THIS WAS MORE COMPLEX..." and "But THAT was SOOO CHEESY" argument now? Neither movie is totally perfect, but they're both GOOD MOVIES. There's room for two Spider-Men in the world of cinema (three? well, they'd have to really blow us away or mix some shit up big time for that to work...)[/QUOTE] thank you so much for wording it that way.
Also if Spidey plays with universes a lot in the comics, cartoons and games- why not the films too? A brief cameo or even full length team up with Garfield and Maguires spidey would be good. I wasn't a big fan of Maguire. But those movies shouldn't be erased and it'd be nice to see them in the same shot as they get on.
[video=youtube;8i4lsZ_BNc0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyH8w_YX6K8&feature=related[/video] Spiderman's been a skater since the year 2000.
Just saw the movie, liked it more than the Spider man movie that was first made.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;36723827]Speaking of multiple spider-men, i want to see a movie with this mother fucker right here in it: [img]http://www.samruby.com/Heroes/ScarletSpider/Scarlet01.gif[/img] [editline]11th July 2012[/editline] To be honest, if they did have him, they'd probably use either the new scarlet spider outfit (warn by the other clone) [img]http://crazymoviepeople.com/blog2/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Spider1.jpg[/img] Or the suit he had when he was spider-man in the comics, [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111025074542/marveldatabase/images/9/94/Spider-Man_II_(Ben_Reilly).JPG[/img] Cause the hoodie would probably end up looking silly over a completely blood red skin tight suit.[/QUOTE] Honestly, the hoodie suit is one of the coolest, most dynamic spidey suits I've seen imo.
[QUOTE=sdwise;36720486]Except that he's not like that in the ultimate line, which is where much of this film is rooted.[/QUOTE] Have you read Ultimate Spider-Man? Because what I said describes him pretty accurately there too. Hell, that's the version I most recently looked at. Sure, he comes off as less of a horribly awkward nerd, but he is still whiny as fuck, and he can never catch a break, hence why he whines. It's part of Peter's character.
[QUOTE=sdwise;36729339]Honestly, the hoodie suit is one of the coolest, most dynamic spidey suits I've seen imo.[/QUOTE] I agree, it looks awesome, but i doubt it'd be easy to pull off in live action and still make it look good.
So, I've always loved Spiderman, but never read all/a lot of the comics, so could someone fill me in here: If I remember correctly, Gwen Stacy was his first girlfriend, right? At least before Mary Jane. Also I like how he had to make the web shooters on his own, like in the comics. The spider bite only gave him the climby/strengthy/jumpy powers, not the webs. Also, what I REALLY liked was how often Peter suffered injuries. Even after his first day, after slamming into a bus and falling a few times, he came home and had bruises on his face. And when he was getting thrown around at school and in other fight scenes, he got injured. It really made him more believable as opposed to most super hero movies where they never suffer any injuries, unless it's an extreme/dramatic/plot advancing one. All in all, I prefer Andrew Garfield to Tobey Mcquire. He really seems to drive home a wittier, younger spiderman.
[QUOTE=That Ninja;36730372]So, I've always loved Spiderman, but never read all/a lot of the comics, so could someone fill me in here: If I remember correctly, Gwen Stacy was his first girlfriend, right? At least before Mary Jane. Also I like how he had to make the web shooters on his own, like in the comics. The spider bite only gave him the climby/strengthy/jumpy powers, not the webs. Also, what I REALLY liked was how often Peter suffered injuries. Even after his first day, after slamming into a bus and falling a few times, he came home and had bruises on his face. And when he was getting thrown around at school and in other fight scenes, he got injured. It really made him more believable as opposed to most super hero movies where they never suffer any injuries, unless it's an extreme/dramatic/plot advancing one. All in all, I prefer Andrew Garfield to Tobey Mcquire. He really seems to drive home a wittier, younger spiderman.[/QUOTE] Gwen Stacy was his first major girlfriend yes, then MJ showed up.
I hope they give Peter more depth next time. I thought they caught the essence of Spider-Man but they need to work on Peter's character better and add more drama to his life.
I want him to wake up a bit more. So many of his lines were mumbled, it just seemed like he was bored the whole time. McGuire had that (sometimes annoying) thing where he'd grunt and yell as he flipped around and fought, but I think Garfield's Spidey could benefit from being more vocal.
[QUOTE=Whatsinaname;36729780]Have you read Ultimate Spider-Man? Because what I said describes him pretty accurately there too. Hell, that's the version I most recently looked at. Sure, he comes off as less of a horribly awkward nerd, but he is still whiny as fuck, and he can never catch a break, hence why he whines. It's part of Peter's character.[/QUOTE] I see more angst in Ultimate as well, but not the victimized, roll-over-and-take-it attitude the original line had. He gets upset and mad. Like a teenager.
[QUOTE=Whatsinaname;36720319]Not sure if you've read the comics, but Peter Parker [I]is[/I] a whiny nerd who is always the victim of circumstance.[/QUOTE] [img]http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l189/Simski_2006/superhero2.jpg[/img][img]http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l189/Simski_2006/spiderman-secretorigin.jpg[/img] My god, you're right!
He's just to perfectly good looking for my taste. McGuire had some everyday-normal-guy touch to him and was, in his acting, not in the script, much more sensitive adn I liked that.
[QUOTE=Killuah;36736161]He's just to perfectly good looking for my taste. McGuire had some everyday-normal-guy touch to him and was, in his acting, not in the script, much more sensitive adn I liked that.[/QUOTE] [img]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ldjuqqbmGo1qbch4xo1_400.jpg[/img] Yeah, but he made this face too much.
have only seen the trailers so far, but why is peter parker skating? doesn't make any sense.
because he is a cool gai nao
I don't mind the skating really. It wasn't necessary, but it didn't feel too out of character either really.
It didn't really matter, all I think it was for was to show how much more athletic he got.
Yeah, as cliche as it is it wasn't overused and the scene where he is skating and learning about the extent of his abilities is really cool.
I didn't like the skating, but it's not like it's gonna show up again (why skate when you can swing), so what's done is done.
I know I'll sound like a huge asshole, but I'm glad it bombed. This movie is so cynical and forgettable, making it flop is a good first step to teach Hollywood to stop rebooting franchises [I]every five years[/I]. Don't get me wrong- it wasn't terrible but a Spiderman franchise deserves more tought. This felt like they rushed it and threw in random ideas to make a script. Oh nevermind I had an old figure from IMDB. I still think they should've planned this out better and not have been so cynical.
it hasn't exactly bombed
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