• The Amazing Spider-Man (2012) - Spidey's back in a brand spanking new movie!
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[QUOTE=Dan2593;36765345]as cool as Ock was he was once again somebody who had simply fallen victim to circumstance and wasn't truly evil. Like every other Rami villain.[/QUOTE] Wasnt Doc Ock driven into insanity in the comics because of the accident too? He has complete control over his decisions in the comics, but he's absolutely batshit because of the accident, i thought.
[QUOTE=BanthaFodder;36759835]I think the best thing they did with Uncle Ben's death was the whole voicemail thing. But I hope they make the movies a bit brighter, LITERALLY. Like, look at the scene where Ben is shot. There's NO ONE on the streets, there's BARELY any light at all. And the only fight that takes place during the day is entirely indoors. Hopefully they let loose and allow the action to get a bit bigger next time, but to be fair, Lizard never was a "big fight taking up several city blocks" kinda villain, and that's the action that I like for my Spider-Man, gives him a chance to really move.[/QUOTE] That was the worst, most artificial and most cheeziest part right after the lizard-o-toilet one.
[QUOTE=BanthaFodder;36759835]I think the best thing they did with Uncle Ben's death was the whole voicemail thing. But I hope they make the movies a bit brighter, LITERALLY. Like, look at the scene where Ben is shot. There's NO ONE on the streets, there's BARELY any light at all. And the only fight that takes place during the day is entirely indoors. Hopefully they let loose and allow the action to get a bit bigger next time, but to be fair, Lizard never was a "big fight taking up several city blocks" kinda villain, and that's the action that I like for my Spider-Man, gives him a chance to really move.[/QUOTE] THANK YOU YES THIS IS PRECISELY WHAT I WAS THINKING It feels like they were really playing this safe, hence why it wasn't that memorable. Letting loose is exactly what they should do for the sequel, especially since this is Spider-Man we're talking about. And speaking of "no one in the streets", remember that scene where he jumps off the building and swings off of it? Into the middle of the street? In broad daylight? And remember how there was absolutely [I]no one around to see it[/I]? How the hell does that happen?
[QUOTE=Flyingman356;36762156]The fact that Spider Man 3 did so well is basically just solid evidence ticket sales mean shit. People don't buy a ticket because they already like the movie.[/QUOTE] Spiderman 3 wasn't that bad, just because it had its stupid moments, people shouldn't be so immediately dismissive of films that have flaws.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;36767465]Wasnt Doc Ock driven into insanity in the comics because of the accident too? He has complete control over his decisions in the comics, but he's absolutely batshit because of the accident, i thought.[/QUOTE] He was bullied. So after they got welded to his spine he went and kicked ass for revenge. He tried to finish his experiment despite being told it was dangerous. Then he married Aunt May. [editline]14th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Whatsinaname;36769605]THANK YOU YES THIS IS PRECISELY WHAT I WAS THINKING It feels like they were really playing this safe, hence why it wasn't that memorable. Letting loose is exactly what they should do for the sequel, especially since this is Spider-Man we're talking about. And speaking of "no one in the streets", remember that scene where he jumps off the building and swings off of it? Into the middle of the street? In broad daylight? And remember how there was absolutely [I]no one around to see it[/I]? How the hell does that happen?[/QUOTE] there were people in the streets both times. Less with the Uncle Ben time as it was night time.
[QUOTE=CheeserCrice;36769753]Spiderman 3 wasn't that bad, just because it had its stupid moments, people shouldn't be so immediately dismissive of films that have flaws.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I recently watched Spider-Man 3 again, and I'm surprised at how much I liked it this time. Sure, it had a few awful cringe-worthy moments, but it was mostly good. I think a lot of the hatred comes from the fan rage at Venom's character not being right. Well, along with a few other odd things, like part of the origin story being retconned to force in Sandman.
[QUOTE=Whatsinaname;36770391]Yeah, I recently watched Spider-Man 3 again, and I'm surprised at how much I liked it this time. Sure, it had a few awful cringe-worthy moments, but it was mostly good. I think a lot of the hatred comes from the fan rage at Venom's character not being right. Well, along with a few other odd things, like part of the origin story being retconned to force in Sandman.[/QUOTE] The things I'd say most people didn't like about Spider-Man 3 were probably: -Emo Peter (This was just... ugh... One minute we're over-confident egomaniacs, the next we're brooding emomaniacs) -Sandman being Uncle Ben's killer (Which I actually didn't mind too much how it played out) -Venom in general (Topher Grace, the design, and his poorly developed role in the story) -Harry Osborne's Green Goblin design (Although cool in of itself, not really Green Goblin-y) -Gwen Stacy's underdeveloped role. Overall, it's not terrible, just not as good as its predecessors; It's okay and has its moments. Not to mention, the villains had more potential if they were not all struggling to fit into the movie. We basically started to see as whichever powers that be wanted to do so much at once without being able to properly balance the film, its themes, and its characters. Same thing happened with the Green Lantern movie, in my opinion.
[QUOTE=-Ben_Wolfe-;36771101]The things I'd say most people didn't like about Spider-Man 3 were probably: -Emo Peter (This was just... ugh... One minute we're over-confident egomaniacs, the next we're brooding emomaniacs)[/quote] Well....um...okay, no argument here. Not from anyone sane anyway. [quote]-Sandman being Uncle Ben's killer (Which I actually didn't mind too much how it played out)[/quote] Problem with that is that it kind of creates a, in my eyes, kinda gigantic plot hole. Namely, why did they go after the other guy when he was wrestling with the Sandman moments before he shot him? [quote]-Venom in general (Topher Grace, the design, and his poorly developed role in the story)[/quote] Venom in general? Eh....maybe. I find that S3's Eddie Brock was just...real fucking lame. He was a douche, he was arrogant and got all snotty and emo when he tried to use lies and slander to climb the ladder. [quote]-Harry Osborne's Green Goblin design (Although cool in of itself, not really Green Goblin-y)[/quote] The Green Goblin in itself wasn't that bad (besides Willem Dafoe being a little too into it at times, but who cares) but the dialogue was at times just bad, so cliche, so cringeworthy (the 'out gobby' line comes to mind, ugh). [quote]-Gwen Stacy's underdeveloped role.[/quote] Gwen Stacy was in S3? Talk about underdeveloped, I don't even recall her being in it.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqiQYus8yzk[/media] Related because Marvel, this is all I have ever wanted and more. I swear, if they fuck this up, there will be hell to pay. But it's being made by the guys who made War for Cybertron, so I think we're safe. I'll buy the collector's edition if it exists.
Gwen in S3 was the generic blonde damsel in distress who danced with Peter in that, admittedly well choreographed, jazz bar.
Gotta give it to Deadpool. Compared to Spidey and Xmen he has had no coverage. Them guys got cartoons and multiple comic books, kids magazines, live action movies etc. Deadpool had a comic, recently a few supporting roles in games and cartoons, a terrible movie adaptation. Yet he's massively popular. That's the sign of a good character. [editline]15th July 2012[/editline] Her dad also appeared. Basically Gwen sucked in Spiderman 3.
[QUOTE=Dan2593;36773588]Gotta give it to Deadpool. Compared to Spidey and Xmen he has had no coverage. Them guys got cartoons and multiple comic books, kids magazines, live action movies etc. Deadpool had a comic, recently a few supporting roles in games and cartoons, a terrible movie adaptation. Yet he's massively popular. That's the sign of a good character. [editline]15th July 2012[/editline] Her dad also appeared. Basically Gwen sucked in Spiderman 3.[/QUOTE] Venom, Gwen, and Captain Stacy were all just crammed into spider-man 3 just to...ahem... "please" the fans.
The ASM Facebook page asked people who their favourite villain is. Pretty much every single person has said Venom. I still maintain the next film should involve the symbiotic suit, Peter working at the Daily Bugle and getting Brock fired to take his job. Then leave pissed off Venom Brock for next. I hope this Venom movie falls through though. Venoms origin is too tightly tied with Spidey to do him before he's been introduced. [editline]15th July 2012[/editline] "Hey, know that character which is basically based on a burning hate for Spiderman? Venom?" "Oh yeah! Eddie Brock? The guy whos chief motivation is rightly deserved revenge and madness" "That's the one!" "Shit people love that guy!" "We should introduce him in the next ASM film!" "No no no no. No. How about we cut out all the Spiderman bit and jump straight to Venom" "Ermmm.. no?" "Well too bad, I don't care about your opinion you fuck. While we're at it let's have Ock with NO arms and Green Goblin who is red and rides a moped"
If there's one thing about Spider-Man 3 that I loved, it was that scene where Sandman puts himself back together. [video=youtube;rXOa5bWFRKw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXOa5bWFRKw[/video] Seriously this shit is beautiful. Imagine of the whole damn movie was this good.
[QUOTE=Dan2593;36773730]The ASM Facebook page asked people who their favourite villain is. Pretty much every single person has said Venom. I still maintain the next film should involve the symbiotic suit, Peter working at the Daily Bugle and getting Brock fired to take his job. Then leave pissed off Venom Brock for next. I hope this Venom movie falls through though. Venoms origin is too tightly tied with Spidey to do him before he's been introduced. [editline]15th July 2012[/editline] "Hey, know that character which is basically based on a burning hate for Spiderman? Venom?" "Oh yeah! Eddie Brock? The guy whos chief motivation is rightly deserved revenge and madness" "That's the one!" "Shit people love that guy!" "We should introduce him in the next ASM film!" "No no no no. No. How about we cut out all the Spiderman bit and jump straight to Venom" "Ermmm.. no?" "Well too bad, I don't care about your opinion you fuck. While we're at it let's have Ock with NO arms and Green Goblin who is red and rides a moped"[/QUOTE] I could see a Venom movie where he's already Venom, then explore his origin in an ASM sequel. That way we could get full on Venom vs Carnage action with none of the "oh, well we HAVE TO HAVE PETER GOING TO HIS JOB AND BALRGHLRAGLRAGH" stuff that would bog it down if Spidey HAD to be in the movie.
[QUOTE=BanthaFodder;36774481]I could see a Venom movie where he's already Venom, then explore his origin in an ASM sequel. That way we could get full on Venom vs Carnage action with none of the "oh, well we HAVE TO HAVE PETER GOING TO HIS JOB AND BALRGHLRAGLRAGH" stuff that would bog it down if Spidey HAD to be in the movie.[/QUOTE] Eh, I don't know about that. I still think it would be fucking awesome to have a movie with Venom as the protagonist, and Spider-Man as the "villain", with Venom as an unreliable narrator, constantly portraying Spider-Man as some kind of careless asshole who ruins people's lives. And then Carnage shows up later and they have no choice but to beat his ass together.
arent they already filming/planning on filming the sequel? I remember it was announced way before this movie was released I think if they made a movie about the suit first, they'd need to include another villain too and if they ended up making a movie about venom (they obviously will, at some point), I think they should make him a well-developed anti-hero. not fully focusing on his point of view, but show that he's not a bad guy, and simply someone who hates spidey. you know, things like showing him saving other people, or not wanting to hurt anyone but spiderman. they'd also need a really intense battle that either ends up in a draw, or has them being interrupted by another threat (be it another villain, an explosion or whatever), which needs them both to team up
I really like the idea of introducing the symbiote suit and Brock but not Venom until another movie. Probably a cheesy post-credits scene where Eddie stumbles upon the suit or vice-versa. Also, I agree that they should try to portray Venom as more of an anti-hero that hates Peter/Spidey than a bad guy.
[QUOTE=Eonart;36777965]One thing I didn't like in this new movie was that [sp]Jonah Jameson was nowhere to be found.[/sp][/QUOTE] He'll definitely be in the sequel, we had a couple of shots of the Daily Bugle I think
I hope JK Simmons comes back.
There were a couple of things I didn't like. As said earlier Andrew Garfield seemed to mumble all his lines, he's a good actor, it's probably just what they were going for. But goddamn I wish he would just say something clearly, without looking around or shaking his head. The other was his transformation. There wasn't really a big reveal of his powers. He developed his powers well. But he didn't really react that much to the fact that he could climb walls or anything. Like in the original trilogy. I guess this movie really did suffer from origin story syndrome. My guess is the next one will be fantastic.
Oh yeah, that's one of my complaints about the movie, he didn't seem to be suprised at all that he could [B]stick to fucking walls.[/B]
[QUOTE=Dan2593;36773730]The ASM Facebook page asked people who their favourite villain is. Pretty much every single person has said Venom. I still maintain the next film should involve the symbiotic suit, Peter working at the Daily Bugle and getting Brock fired to take his job. Then leave pissed off Venom Brock for next. I hope this Venom movie falls through though. Venoms origin is too tightly tied with Spidey to do him before he's been introduced. [editline]15th July 2012[/editline] "Hey, know that character which is basically based on a burning hate for Spiderman? Venom?" "Oh yeah! Eddie Brock? The guy whos chief motivation is rightly deserved revenge and madness" "That's the one!" "Shit people love that guy!" "We should introduce him in the next ASM film!" "No no no no. No. How about we cut out all the Spiderman bit and jump straight to Venom" "Ermmm.. no?" "Well too bad, I don't care about your opinion you fuck. While we're at it let's have Ock with NO arms and Green Goblin who is red and rides a moped"[/QUOTE] In my opinion to a non-spiderman comic fan, venom being in the movie would be a bit boring. I mean what is interesting about his character besides being a big evil spiderman with a lizard-y mouth. Also the emo peter scene was really goofy, but its part of a comic-book superhero series with tonnes of other goofy parts, it couldn't have ruined the film for anyone could it?
Because he full on hates Spiderman more than any other villain. Venom is two people in one. Also he's supposed to be REALLY fucking scary and twice as powerful as Spiderman. Not a match. Venom is also interesting because he's kinda of a hero. Eventually he develops the power to cure cancer though the suit is all that keeps Brock alive. Yet he ALWAYS hates Spiderman and Peter Parker. The symbiote hates Peter as it abandoned it and left it to die, Brock hates Peter as he got him fired and ruined his whole life (while he was under the suits influence). The symbiote knows he's spiderman so the hate shifts. I think comic fans really like Venom as he gives birth to Carnage and everybody goes wild for the big Carnage story where he rips the shit out of new york. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ_59RBkZbM[/media] Carnage and Ock should be done together so we can get this.
Saw the film a few days ago and I keep changing my mind about it, sometimes I rather like it but then I completely dispise it compared to the previous trilogy. At the moment I've settled on I like it but lacking something I just cannot put my finger on compared to the previous films.
[QUOTE=CheeserCrice;36779047]In my opinion to a non-spiderman comic fan, venom being in the movie would be a bit boring. I mean what is interesting about his character besides being a big evil spiderman with a lizard-y mouth.[/QUOTE] there's just so fucking much you can do with venom, but just to list a few: the revenge vs justice thing with eddie brock the personality conflicts between him and the symbiote the "does he really want to be a villain?" kind of stuff him learning to use his powers. this movie didnt have enough of it for spiderman, maybe the next ones can do it well with venom
Saw it again. I enjoyed it more oddly as I knew what to expect. Which is great as I enjoyed it a lot before. If this doesn't make sense I'm sorry but I'm drunk. Thank god for spell check [editline]15th July 2012[/editline] My three year old niece cried as Lizard was so scary. My sister cried when [sp]Gwens dad died[/sp]. [editline]15th July 2012[/editline] And old man/woman(?) was bawling her eyes out when Uncle Ben died. [editline]15th July 2012[/editline] Watching him cry made me want to cry too
I thought the amazing spiderman was a 12? How did you manage to get a 3 year old in there? xD Unless you didn't see it at the cinema... or maybe the age rating is different where you live? :o
[QUOTE=LonelyTimeLord;36787622]I thought the amazing spiderman was a 12A? How did you manage to get a 3 year old in there? xD Unless you didn't see it at the cinema... or maybe the age rating is different where you live? :o[/QUOTE] In the US, someone below the age group is allowed to accompany someone who is to the theater.
I'm tired so I won't make a long post. I saw it today and simply put, I like it more than the first one. But only because some parts I though were much better executed than with Sam Raimi's while other things in the movie could have been much better.
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