• The big picture-Rio's drug war
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[QUOTE=Mister_Jack;26448117].... :geno: I can't believe what I'm reading.[/QUOTE] the use of ":geno:" makes you look really dumb. [editline]2nd December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Mister_Jack;26448356]If I have to explain why a movie, made for entertainment, isn't a good source to base your opinions on, I've already lost you all, and will just accept my flood of boxes from /b/tards.[/QUOTE] ho ho, butthurt :frogdowns:
[QUOTE=Mister_Jack;26448117].... :geno: I can't believe what I'm reading.[/QUOTE] I cannot believe how good that film must be either!
Can you please start ignoring him? I have him blocked and yet his stupid is still spilling over from quotes and it's ruining my evening away from hospital.
[QUOTE=Mister_Jack;26448356]If I have to explain why a movie, made for entertainment, isn't a good source to base your opinions on, I've already lost you all, and will just accept my flood of boxes from /b/tards.[/QUOTE]It's based off real-life testimonies of BOPE officers and thus is not entirely inaccurate.
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;26448433]I quite once more saying that a film based on true events is completely unreliable is just plain silly. It's like saying Generation kill is completely unreliable, when it was from the war diary of a Rolling Stone Journalist[/quote] [I]'Based on'[/I] is the phrase you need to be paying attention to. It's not a documentary. It is meant to be entertaining. And it's testimony of one side of the conflict. Not biased atall. [QUOTE=strayebyrd;26448433]The reason they steal is because they don't have jobs, if you legalise the drugs, it doesn't mean that they are going to be able to stop stealing to fuel their addiction. Also the primary salespeople in a legalised environment will still be the gangs, as much as everyone (including me) would love to see a society where you can pop into a store and buy some crack with your weekly, there is no way that there will ever be a mainstream commercialised sale of hard drugs, in my lifetime at least. The stigma behind substances that have killed people (such as my cousin's boyfriend) and ruined lives for decades is too great.[/QUOTE] The primary salsepeople in a legalised environment would most absolutely [I]not[/I] be gangs. I guess that's why everyone gets their booze from mobsters in speakeasies still.
[QUOTE=Mister_Jack;26448569] The primary salsepeople in a legalised environment would most absolutely [I]not[/I] be gangs. I guess that's why everyone gets their booze from mobsters in speakeasies still.[/QUOTE] Okay, so you can be the spokesperson who explains to the majority of the world that the substances that they despise, and in some cases the substances that have greatly affected them negatively, will be sold to anyone over the age of 18, as long as they have cash and an I.D.. It's not going to happen anytime soon, because people know full well that Heroin and crack cocaine are incredibly addictive, designed that way in fact. And also there's the whole 'collapsed veins, affected brain functions, sores on your body' deal, which is kind of a drag
[QUOTE=Mister_Jack;26448000]I never said they were good. :geno: I said there was a better way of dealing with them.[/QUOTE] My mistake, I thought you were arguing in favour of them. [editline]2nd December 2010[/editline] Point still stands.
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;26448616]Okay, so you can be the spokesperson who explains to the majority of the world that the substances that they despise, and in some cases the substances that have greatly affected them negatively, will be sold to anyone over the age of 18, as long as they have cash and an I.D.. It's not going to happen anytime soon, because people know full well that Heroin and crack cocaine are incredibly addictive, designed that way in fact.[/QUOTE] Heroin is not designed to be addictive. It's designed to be fast-acting. I am putting forth my personal opinion, just as you are with yours. Just because my opinion is unpopular doesn't make it incorrect. So a bunch of people have been misinformed? I don't see how that's the fault of drugs, or even what that has to do with the argument at hand. In the 1800's heroin was sold over the counter as a cough medicine, and there wasn't such an epidemic of abuse. The problem begins with the war, not with the drugs. If heroin was sold in its pure form in stores, regulated and age-restricted like alcohol, it would be safer than. [editline]2nd December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;26448667]My mistake, I thought you were arguing in favour of them. [editline]2nd December 2010[/editline] Point still stands.[/QUOTE] Then maybe uh, arrest them for murder? Rather than demonizing something that has little to do with it? Think about it, why are they repeatedly referred to as 'drug dealers', not 'murderers', 'kidnappers', and 'extortionists'? Seems more like a publicity stunt to me.
[QUOTE=Mister_Jack;26448696]Heroin is not designed to be addictive. It's designed to be fast-acting. I am putting forth my personal opinion, just as you are with yours. Just because my opinion is unpopular doesn't make it incorrect. So a bunch of people have been misinformed? I don't see how that's the fault of drugs, or even what that has to do with the argument at hand. In the 1800's heroin was sold over the counter as a cough medicine, and there wasn't such an epidemic of abuse. The problem begins with the war, not with the drugs. If heroin was sold in its pure form in stores, regulated and age-restricted like alcohol, it would be safer than.[/QUOTE] I never said you couldn't state your opinion, or that your opinion was objectively wrong, that would be rather daft of me. And I do agree that heroin gets a bad press because of the impurities which make it skin-scratchingly good and devastating to people's lives, but I'm saying the reason it's never going to be sold in shops is because of that stigma. Whether people have been misinformed or not, the average pensioner is not going to be happy with hard drugs sold in their local shop. Therefore, if it isn't sold in shops, there aren't a whole lot more places for people to go for it other than the gangs slinging. Obviously there's buying online, but most crack fiends/ Heroin junkies probably don't tend to have a computer or internet access in their den. [editline]2nd December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Mister_Jack;26448696] Then maybe uh, arrest them for murder? Rather than demonizing something that has little to do with it? Think about it, why are they repeatedly referred to as 'drug dealers', not 'murderers', 'kidnappers', and 'extortionists'? Seems more like a publicity stunt to me.[/QUOTE] Probably just wanted to describe them by their career, and the reason they're so powerful.
[QUOTE=Mister_Jack;26448696]Then maybe uh, arrest them for murder?[/QUOTE] They [I]are[/I] arresting them. [QUOTE=Mister_Jack;26448696]Think about it, why are they repeatedly referred to as 'drug dealers', not 'murderers', 'kidnappers', and 'extortionists'? Seems more like a publicity stunt to me.[/QUOTE] Honestly if it were up to me, they would more likely be referred to as terrorists.
Mister_Jack give it a rest, they are just a bunch of dangerous criminals getting executed if they make a wrong move when the police orders them to get down. Really, it is legitimate power usage against the violent drug-dealers who make the lives of some Brazilians very hard. They do not care about the health concerns when they spread their heroin shit around the favelas, so why should the government care about their well-being when they do exactly the opposite
Good god. [img]http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/1263/gmconstruct0001.jpg[/img] I can't be the only one that notices the resemblance. Or am I?
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;26448840]Mister_Jack give it a rest, they are just a bunch of dangerous criminals getting executed if they make a wrong move when the police orders them to get down. Really, it is legitimate power usage against the violent drug-dealers who make the lives of some Brazilians very hard. They do not care about the health concerns when they spread their heroin shit around the favelas, so why should the government care about their well-being when they do exactly the opposite[/QUOTE] Actually thanks to the brazilian shit jurisdiction system the criminals get very easily released.
[QUOTE=3v3ryb0dy;26449017]Actually thanks to the brazilian shit jurisdiction system the criminals get very easily released.[/QUOTE] Yeah well, justice, among other things, is something that we cannot come to a general establishment, making justice just a matter of geography anyway
[QUOTE=-Vista;26448881]Good god. [img_thumb]http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/1263/gmconstruct0001.jpg[/img_thumb] I can't be the only one that notices the resemblance. Or am I?[/QUOTE] Oh wow, a generic face resembles a generic face. What are the odds.
Amazing pictures. A nice read.
[QUOTE=Clavus;26449430]Oh wow, a generic face resembles a generic face. What are the odds.[/QUOTE] I'd say pretty slim.
[QUOTE=-Vista;26448881]Good god. [img_thumb]http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/1263/gmconstruct0001.jpg[/img_thumb] I can't be the only one that notices the resemblance. Or am I?[/QUOTE] Reminds me more of Dan Aykroyd. [img]http://www.gbfans.com/images/store/699_1149700674.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=pedroion;26450201][img_thumb]http://n.i.uol.com.br/ultnot/album/20101123rio_f_164.jpg[/img_thumb] [I]Hail to the king, baby.[/I] :clint:[/QUOTE] Badass, Redefined.
Brazilian police are pretty badass, I must say.
[QUOTE=AwpersAreBad;26451094]Brazilian police are pretty badass, I must say.[/QUOTE] That's underestimation. They haven't taken a single casualty or serious injury yet.
[QUOTE=AwpersAreBad;26451094]Brazilian police are pretty badass, I must say.[/QUOTE] And their chicks too: [img]http://www.thebombsurf.com/files/1/images/brazilian-soccer-fan.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=-Vista;26448881]Good god. [img_thumb]http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/1263/gmconstruct0001.jpg[/img_thumb] I can't be the only one that notices the resemblance. Or am I?[/QUOTE] Just give the HL2 guy a few more acres of forehead, and it's a perfect match.
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;26448616]Okay, so you can be the spokesperson who explains to the majority of the world that the substances that they despise, and in some cases the substances that have greatly affected them negatively, will be sold to anyone over the age of 18, as long as they have cash and an I.D.. It's not going to happen anytime soon, because people know full well that Heroin and crack cocaine are incredibly addictive, designed that way in fact. And also there's the whole 'collapsed veins, affected brain functions, sores on your body' deal, which is kind of a drag[/QUOTE] alcohol greatly affects people negatively so do cigarettes both of those kill more people every year then all illegal drugs combined. illegalize those or fuck off and let people make their own decisions concerning their own bodies.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;26461738]alcohol greatly affects people negatively so do cigarettes both of those kill more people every year then all illegal drugs combined. illegalize those or fuck off and let people make their own decisions concerning their own bodies.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry I don't have the power to do that, I'm not in the government. And the reason Alcohol is legal is because, unlike street heroin and crack, it's a social thing to most people. The majority of people who drink alcohol do so responsibly and with caution, whereas the majority of heroin/crack addicts wile away their days sitting in a dingy old high rise doing a lot more than is healthy. Cigarettes are still legal because tobacco lobbyists are very smart people, and your average Joe doesn't really care too much whether they are banned or not.
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;26462312]I'm sorry I don't have the power to do that, I'm not in the government. And the reason Alcohol is legal is because, unlike street heroin and crack, it's a social thing to most people. The majority of people who drink alcohol do so responsibly and with caution, whereas the majority of heroin/crack addicts wile away their days sitting in a dingy old high rise doing a lot more than is healthy. Cigarettes are still legal because tobacco lobbyists are very smart people, and your average Joe doesn't really care too much whether they are banned or not.[/QUOTE] that's bullshit. most people that drink get absolutely shitfaced and get into fights or have unprotected sex. the point i'm making is it doesn't matter how bad these things are it's peoples choice for what they put into their bodies i'm not against alcohol or cigarettes both me and most my friends smoke and drink.
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;26462312]I'm sorry I don't have the power to do that, I'm not in the government. And the reason Alcohol is legal is because, unlike street heroin and crack, it's a social thing to most people. The majority of people who drink alcohol do so responsibly and with caution, whereas the majority of heroin/crack addicts wile away their days sitting in a dingy old high rise doing a lot more than is healthy. Cigarettes are still legal because tobacco lobbyists are very smart people, and your average Joe doesn't really care too much whether they are banned or not.[/QUOTE] Most drugs are social.
[QUOTE=joe588;26462682]Most drugs are social.[/QUOTE] i think DARE knows more about drugs than you joe588
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;26462444]that's bullshit. most people that drink get absolutely shitfaced and get into fights or have unprotected sex. the point i'm making is it doesn't matter how bad these things are it's peoples choice for what they put into their bodies i'm not against alcohol or cigarettes both me and most my friends smoke and drink.[/QUOTE] As do mine, and my cousin's boyfriend, who I was pretty good friends with, also did heroin. I can tell you there is a serious margin of difference in how the degradation goes down. Sure in a perfect world we could legalise all drugs and let people do what they want to their bodies, but the problem is, people are stupid. I am completely for the legalisation of drugs [I]in a perfect world[/I], but I see stupid kids come into the store I work constantly, buying booze with Fake I.Ds and shit, and booze is fine, because they'll probably grow out of that 'shitfaced erryday' phase, because I did, but if they try heroin, it's going to lead down a shitty road. Same with crack cocaine. Let people put what they want into their bodies sounds like a fantastic idea, but I care about the people around me, and there are those that don't know their limits, and they would suffer greatly if all manner of chemicals and what have you were offered up to them. I don't even know why I'm sayin this, this isn't even the fucking argument I started with. I started with the fact that what is going on in Rio is justified, and now it's turned into a stupid discussion about drug prohibition. I mean, I'm anti-prohibition of drugs, my argument was originally "it's stupid and naive to think drugs will ever be legalised" and now I find myself defending an imaginary standpoint. This thread has gone down the shitter in a big way.
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;26462974]As do mine, and my cousin's boyfriend, who I was pretty good friends with, also did heroin. I can tell you there is a serious margin of difference in how the degradation goes down. Sure in a perfect world we could legalise all drugs and let people do what they want to their bodies, but the problem is, people are stupid. I am completely for the legalisation of drugs [I]in a perfect world[/I], but I see stupid kids come into the store I work constantly, buying booze with Fake I.Ds and shit, and booze is fine, because they'll probably grow out of that 'shitfaced erryday' phase, because I did, but if they try heroin, it's going to lead down a shitty road. Same with crack cocaine. Let people put what they want into their bodies sounds like a fantastic idea, but I care about the people around me, and there are those that don't know their limits, and they would suffer greatly if all manner of chemicals and what have you were offered up to them. I don't even know why I'm sayin this, this isn't even the fucking argument I started with. I started with the fact that what is going on in Rio is justified, and now it's turned into a stupid discussion about drug prohibition. I mean, I'm anti-prohibition of drugs, my argument was originally "it's stupid and naive to think drugs will ever be legalised" and now I find myself defending an imaginary standpoint. This thread has gone down the shitter in a big way.[/QUOTE] notice how some people DONT grow out of the heavy drinking phase and become lifelong alcoholics, so i feel that if all drugs were legal then the same thing would happen. and to be fair this thread was shit from the start, theres only so many times people can say "WOW BRAZILIAN COPS LOOK COOL!!!" "WOW LOOK AT HOW SILLY THIS PICTURE IS HAHA!" and "WOW GOOD WORK GETTING THOSE SCUMBAGS" before you gotta come up with something else to discuss.
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