[QUOTE=Mad Chatter;30115831]Are you kidding me?[/QUOTE]
Are you a fucking kidding me? It's stupid as shit.
Curfews are no big deal, get over it.
[QUOTE=superdinoman;30116538]That would just be silly and ridiculous since the brain enters the final stages of development in the later teen years and into the mid 20s. The body keeps aging sure but main adulthood is entered by the late teens and early 20s on average so those kinds of laws could be argued with simple science. During the developmental stages in the mid teens people are more prone to taking risks and making dumb decisions.[/QUOTE]
My biggest problem with these kinds of explanation is that it takes away any kind of responsibility from the person - 'it wasn't their fault, they're just not fully developed! They can't help taking risks'
It entirely strips them of any agency/free will.
I'm amazed, truly. Zeke129 and superdinoman had a somewhat educated argument on facepunch!
[QUOTE=H4wkeye;30119478]Minors got nothing to do downtown after midnight. Just deal with it and accept it, stop bitching about it. You'll grow up to be legal eventually.[/QUOTE]
What if you go to school in the day and work at night?
Wait sorry, laws never favour the poor nevermind me.
[editline]30th May 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30116697]
why not rehaul the system and base adulthood on merit instead of a number[/QUOTE]
If it was possible to test that, objectively, I would support it, but it would be very easy to design the tests in such a way that only certain, rather educated people could pass.
[QUOTE=Fork-H;30120346]Curfews are no big deal, get over it.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you understand that I realize it's not all that big of a deal. A curfew is not a big deal, and I'll probably set a curfew for my kids, and it's going to be pretty damn strict. The case I'm making here is that the government should not retain the right to revoke a citizen's right to travel freely in public. The government is obligated to protect every citizen equally, and at the moment, that's not happening. It's an injustice to the youth of America.
Maybe I just want to go out for a nice midnight stroll? Maybe I'm stargazing?
Oh no, those are terrible, destructive acts that endanger the welfare of society. Nevermind.
[QUOTE=Fork-H;30120346]Curfews are no big deal, get over it.[/QUOTE]
profiling is ok as long as its used on teens right????
[QUOTE=tinhead50;30120498]I'm amazed, truly. Zeke129 and superdinoman had a somewhat educated argument on facepunch![/QUOTE]
Well [I]excuse[/I] me.
[editline]29th May 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=thispieiscold;30125243]profiling is ok as long as its used on teens right????[/QUOTE]
Sadly enough that's the thought process of some people.
Never saw this thread before so I'm going to post about what I vaguely read in the OP.
I live in Florida and I have never once heard about the curfew laws. No one has ever said anything about it, one of my family's close friends is a cop and he never mentioned it either.
[editline]29th May 2011[/editline]
Also now that I'm 18 these no longer apply to me, but still.
I can't remember how many times I went cycling in the evening and returned after midnight last summer.
Curfew laws are silly and shouldn't be enforced unless there really have been problems with minors messing around at night.
[QUOTE=superdinoman;30115871]Look you're only under 18 for a very small amount of time. I know right now it seems like forever but believe me that shit goes by so fast. And why should children have full rights of an adult? Most kids and teens are fucking stupid.[/QUOTE]
Plenty of even dumber adults, and they have rights.
It makes me angry how minors are treated as property in this country. Minors have no say as to what happens to their own body. There is no reason why a child should die because their parents are religious half-wits who think that modern medicine is satanic
Ahh, I love living in the United Kingdom.
Stay out all night, erry' night.
[QUOTE=Master117;27118111]It's just another way the man is trying to keep us kids down.
Oh wait...I'm 20.[/QUOTE]
I will be in 6 years :D
I don't see any problem with a curfew for people under 18.
[QUOTE=slimd1995;30131795]I don't see any problem with a curfew for people under 18.[/QUOTE]
i'll stab you in the throat for your differing ideology on this social issue
Tropical, how big is the city you live in?
Whenever I get caught strolling around outside past curfew I just apologize to the officer and tell him I'm heading home now, even if I'm not. Normally I get a "Alright, stay safe." before he rolls off / walks away.
[QUOTE=H4wkeye;30119478]Minors got nothing to do downtown after midnight. Just deal with it and accept it, stop bitching about it. You'll grow up to be legal eventually.[/QUOTE]
Minors have tons of completely legal shit they can do around town after midnight, especially on the weekend. Maybe they want to go to the park with their girlfriend, take their dog for a walk, go for a bike ride, whatever. Curfew effectively bans all of these and that's ridiculous. It's essentially detaining someone at home on the assumption that they'll commit a crime, which is unconstitutional in every western nation.
[QUOTE=mossboss;30133238]Tropical, how big is the city you live in?[/QUOTE]
Population of about 14,000 people.
[editline]30th May 2011[/editline]
I should really go to bed, I'm meeting with the city clerk tomorrow afternoon.
The town over from mine (actually a village, population is less than 1000) used to have a youth curfew. This was the kind of place where more surface area was comprised of forest, parkland, and lakefront than buildings and roads. Why the fuck would a place where the main attraction is being outside ban kids from it after 9PM?
It was asinine. (At least, I think [i]was[/i]. I'm sure they got rid of it)
To answer you question, even though this thread is all the way from December, the younger people don't have rights because they simply don't vote. Whether its because you're under 18 (I dont know what voting age is in other places) and cant vote because the law doesn't allow it, or because you're old enough and just don't vote. I learned in my Adulthood and Aging class last term that because old people have nothing better to do, they vote on pretty much everything. Everyone else is too busy to vote, and it results in old people getting all the best shit government-wise. Statistics show that people in their 20's and late teens are the least likely to vote.
Oh God why did I write all this no one will read it
[QUOTE=esalaka;30125462]I can't remember how many times I went cycling in the evening and returned after midnight last summer.
Curfew laws are silly and shouldn't be enforced unless there really have been problems with minors messing around at night.[/QUOTE]
Curfew laws shouldn't be enforced. It's not every minor's fault that some minors might do stupid shit.
[QUOTE=socklicker;30133667]To answer you question, even though this thread is all the way from December, the younger people don't have rights because they simply don't vote. Whether its because you're under 18 (I dont know what voting age is in other places) and cant vote because the law doesn't allow it, or because you're old enough and just don't vote. I learned in my Adulthood and Aging class last term that because old people have nothing better to do, they vote on pretty much everything. Everyone else is too busy to vote, and it results in old people getting all the best shit government-wise. Statistics show that people in their 20's and late teens are the least likely to vote.
Oh God why did I write all this no one will read it[/QUOTE]
I read it, and I didn't agree with any of it to be honest. What you basically said here was an opinion, and it contradicts with the opinions of several prominent supreme court justices. Now I'm not implying that their say carries any more weight than yours, but...
Here's an easy way to protect yourself from curfew. If you're out late, don't do anything any normal person shouldn't be doing in the first place and you have nothing to worry about.
Don't draw attention to yourself by doing something stupid and illegal and a police officer will have no reason to approach you and ask how old you are, unless you look like you're ten years old or something.
So if somebody is expelled from one school they can never return to any school ever again? Except for outside the curfew hours and the school hours.
[QUOTE=haloguy234;30136004]Here's an easy way to protect yourself from curfew. If you're out late, don't do anything any normal person shouldn't be doing in the first place and you have nothing to worry about.
Don't draw attention to yourself by doing something stupid and illegal and a police officer will have no reason to approach you and ask how old you are, unless you look like you're ten years old or something.[/QUOTE]
Police shouldn't be approaching you without suspicion of a crime being committed anyway. And being under 18 doesn't constitute reasonable suspicion.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30136084]And being under 18 doesn't constitute reasonable suspicion.[/QUOTE]
Cops in the US in most places are dicks, havent dealt with them elsewhere. Their definition of reasonable suspicion is you were looking down, you had your hands in your pockets, you wore baggy pants, the list goes on. They'll find a reason even if you're over 18.
[QUOTE=superdinoman;30136105]Cops in the US in most places are dicks, havent dealt with them elsewhere. Their definition of reasonable suspicion is you were looking down, you had your hands in your pockets, you wore baggy pants, the list goes on. They'll find a reason even if you're over 18.[/QUOTE]
Well if you're over 18 and they pull that shit you now have the ability to lay the legal smackdown on them.
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