• Youth curfew laws in the united states
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;30116544]Okay, mid 20s then.[/QUOTE] Wouldn't argue if enough evidence was presented supporting it. However thats never going to happen so why worry
It's still arbitrary because you can drive at 16 but not drink until 21 (in the US) you can join the army at 16 but not vote until 18 if the laws were based on science it wouldn't be this erratic [editline]29th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=superdinoman;30116577]Wouldn't argue if enough evidence was presented supporting it. However thats never going to happen so why worry[/QUOTE] It's called a hypothetical question and you've yet to answer it If someone older than you arbitrarily decided to take away some of your rights because you were younger you'd be angry, admit it
[QUOTE=superdinoman;30116577]Wouldn't argue if enough evidence was presented supporting it. However thats never going to happen so why worry[/QUOTE] Doesn't answer the question. If it happened, would you just deal with it and be satisfied with what the adults have given you, or fight it?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30116578]It's still arbitrary because you can drive at 16 but not drink until 21 (in the US) you can join the army at 16 but not vote until 18 if the laws were based on science it wouldn't be this erratic [/QUOTE] I don't trust 16 year olds with driving, I personally think the legal driving age should be raised to 18 or older and legal drinking should be dropped to 18. Signing up for the military at 16? That Ive never heard of unless the person was classified as a legal adult. I do agree about the laws being based on science though [QUOTE=Zeke129;30116578] If someone older than you arbitrarily decided to take away some of your rights because you were younger you'd be angry, admit it[/QUOTE] I don't get angry over stupid shit. I do get displeased plenty with my Government. The banning of substances, restrictions, passing of laws like the patriot act, but angry no. [QUOTE=Megafanx13;30116591]Doesn't answer the question. If it happened, would you just deal with it and be satisfied with what the adults have given you, or fight it?[/QUOTE] If they tried to restrict voting adults with a curfew it would never pass. If children could vote a curfew would never pass but children cant vote, society is run by adults, so therefore the children are in the hands of the adults. Thats all Ive been saying.
[QUOTE=superdinoman;30116616]I don't trust 16 year olds with driving, I personally think the legal driving age should be raised to 18 or older and legal drinking should be dropped to 18. Signing up for the military at 16? That Ive never heard of unless the person was classified as a legal adult. I do agree about the laws being based on science though[/QUOTE] Then surely you believe age of majority should be 25?
[QUOTE=superdinoman;30116616] Signing up for the military at 16? That Ive never heard of unless the person was classified as a legal adult.[/quote] You can do it with parental consent, something that doesn't apply to driving/drinking oddly enough [QUOTE=superdinoman;30116616]I don't get angry over stupid shit. I do get displeased plenty with my Government. The banning of substances, restrictions, passing of laws like the patriot act, but angry no.[/QUOTE] Okay so you don't like it but you won't try to do anything about it? That's called apathy.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30116637]You can do it with parental consent, something that doesn't apply to driving/drinking oddly enough [/QUOTE] Yeah thats dumb, the drinking part that is. If I ever wanted to drink, smoke, or do drugs my parents said go for it. [QUOTE=Zeke129;30116637] Okay so you don't like it but you won't try to do anything about it? That's called apathy.[/QUOTE] If an extensively intrusive law like you mention is ever passed it would be shot down extremely fast so I don't worry about those thing. I am not apathetic to the Government I just don't care about it as it doesn't affect me besides taxes and I make more than enough money to the point I don't even notice.
[QUOTE=superdinoman;30116674] If an extensively intrusive law like you mention is ever passed it would be shot down extremely fast so I don't worry about those thing. I am not apathetic to the Government I just don't care about it as it doesn't affect me besides taxes and I make more than enough money to the point I don't even notice.[/QUOTE] You admit it's intrusive and that was my point all along but I don't see why the age of majority being at 25 is any more intrusive than it being at 18, like you said the brain is developing constantly until the mid to late 20s so anything other than "mid to late 20s" is arbitrary why not rehaul the system and base adulthood on merit instead of a number
[QUOTE=superdinoman;30116674]I am not apathetic to the Government I just don't care about it as it doesn't affect me besides taxes and I make more than enough money to the point I don't even notice.[/QUOTE] You don't give a shit if a law doesn't directly affect you but when faced with a hypothetical law that would affect you, you wouldn't care? And somehow in the same span of several minutes claim that those currently under 18 should be "happy with what they're given"? That's just ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30116697]You admit it's intrusive and that was my point all along but I don't see why the age of majority being at 25 is any more intrusive than it being at 18, like you said the brain is developing constantly until the mid to late 20s so anything other than "mid to late 20s" is arbitrary[/QUOTE] Not true. By the late teens its developed enough to make "good enough" [I]rational[/I] decisions. Thats why I think the drinking age should be dropped from 21 to 18 or 19, because that alcohol is not going to affect an 18 year old that differently from a 21 year old. [QUOTE=Megafanx13;30116706]You don't give a shit if a law doesn't directly affect you but when faced with a hypothetical law that would affect you, you wouldn't care? And somehow in the same span of several minutes claim that those currently under 18 should be "happy with what they're given"? That's just ridiculous.[/QUOTE] Can you vote under the age of 18?
[QUOTE=superdinoman;30116674]If an extensively intrusive law[/QUOTE] Besides, if minors really do have all the same basic rights as adults, why would you describe a law raising the age of majority as "extremely intrusive"? [editline]29th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=superdinoman;30116711]Not true. By the late teens its developed enough to make "good enough" [I]rational[/I] decisions. Thats why I think the drinking age should be dropped from 21 to 18 or 19, because that alcohol is not going to affect an 18 year old that differently from a 21 year old.[/QUOTE] Well that's extremely vague.
[QUOTE=superdinoman;30116711]Not true. By the late teens its developed enough to make "good enough" [I]rational[/I] decisions. Thats why I think the drinking age should be dropped from 21 to 18 or 19, because that alcohol is not going to affect an 18 year old that differently from a 21 year old.[/QUOTE] And it probably won't affect a 17 year old much more than an 18 year old so let's drop it to that Probably won't affect a 16 year old much more than a 17 year old either...
That is great how you have studied the subject to that degree! I'm studying law right now and I am very impressed with what you said in just that post. I have just started studying law but it is indeed a very tricky subject. Good luck to you and your future plans. [QUOTE=R3mix;27118040]First of all, do you honestly think that us teenagers obey these laws? Second, what year was this "law" established? And third, take a look at our society, you have teenagers everywhere at night. Movie theaters, restaurants, diners, shopping centers, etc. You honestly think cops care? Hell, I was out at 2 am once riding my bike on one of the busiest intersections, I didn't get stopped or anything. By the way, minor by definition in Florida for curfew is under the age of 16.[/QUOTE] Sorry if you adressed this already but I think a curfew for somebody under the age of 16 is perfectly fine. There shouldn't be children running around at night unless its unavoidable (emergency ect) Minors (18 and under nationwide) should defiantly retain all their rights but something as a curfew for basically... children (if you are under 16) seems okay to me. It feels a bit like waiting till you're 21 to have your first drink or when you can get a drivers permit ect... What kind of parent would let their 16> kid be roaming the streets playing between 11pm and 5am anyway?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30116732]And it probably won't affect a 17 year old much more than an 18 year old so let's drop it to that Probably won't affect a 16 year old much more than a 17 year old either...[/QUOTE] Sure to an extent just like anything else If a person is going to drink or smoke or go out after curfew regardless of the law they are going to do it. So the best option is to just remove all the laws in place and let people do whatever they want. I don't have a problem with that either.
[QUOTE=superdinoman;30116818]Sure to an extent just like anything else If a person is going to drink or smoke or go out after curfew regardless of the law they are going to do it. So the best option is to just remove all the laws in place and let people do whatever they want. I don't have a problem with that either.[/QUOTE] Substances I can kind of understand on the basis of the "brain developing" argument but I don't see how curfews can be justified, lack of sunlight doesn't affect a 14 year old differently than a 20 year old
[QUOTE=superdinoman;30116818]Sure to an extent just like anything else If a person is going to drink or smoke or go out after curfew regardless of the law they are going to do it. So the best option is to just remove all the laws in place and let people do whatever they want. I don't have a problem with that either.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Megafanx13;30116712]Besides, if minors really do have all the same basic rights as adults, why would you describe a law raising the age of majority as "extremely intrusive"?[/QUOTE] Reposting. [editline]29th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;30116840]Substances I can kind of understand on the basis of the "brain developing" argument but I don't see how curfews can be justified, lack of sunlight doesn't affect a 14 year old differently than a 20 year old[/QUOTE] "but young people have no reason to be out that late except for bad things!!"
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30116840]Substances I can kind of understand on the basis of the "brain developing" argument but I don't see how curfews can be justified, lack of sunlight doesn't affect a 14 year old differently than a 20 year old[/QUOTE] But I already said all this. Society is controlled by voting adults, children and people under the legal adult age have no say in the democratic society. The adults thought a curfew was best to keep hooligan kids indoors and the laws were put in place, kids can't vote, adults consider kids to be trouble makers by what they see and by their own pasts and the laws stay in place.
[QUOTE=superdinoman;30116868]But I already said all this. Society is controlled by voting adults, children and people under the legal adult age have no say in the democratic society. The adults thought a curfew was best to keep hooligan kids indoors and the laws were put in place, kids can't vote, adults consider kids to be trouble makers by what they see and by their own pasts and the laws stay in place.[/QUOTE] but what you just described is morally reprehensible you realize you don't have to accept the status quo right
[QUOTE=superdinoman;30116868]But I already said all this. Society is controlled by voting adults, children and people under the legal adult age have no say in the democratic society. The adults thought a curfew was best to keep hooligan kids indoors and the laws were put in place, kids can't vote, adults consider kids to be trouble makers by what they see and by their own pasts and the laws stay in place.[/QUOTE] Doesn't justify unjust laws.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30116885]but what you just described is morally reprehensible [/QUOTE] Yep but isnt that humanity for you? A bunch of hypocrites and assholes. [QUOTE=Zeke129;30116885] you realize you don't have to accept the status quo right[/QUOTE] Yeah but curfews do no harm, no one is suffering or dying or going to jail and getting their lives ruined by it. The worst you'll get is a ride home from a cop, everyone likes a free ride.
[QUOTE=superdinoman;30116920]Yeah but curfews do no harm, no one is suffering or dying or going to jail and getting their lives ruined by it. The worst you'll get is a ride home from a cop, everyone likes a free ride.[/QUOTE] Yeah, but that whole parents being able to sign away rights and send kids to WWASP camps do ruin lives, and people do die there.
[QUOTE=superdinoman;30116920]Yep but isnt that humanity for you? A bunch of hypocrites and assholes.[/quote] So let's just not talk about it or what [QUOTE=superdinoman;30116920]Yeah but curfews do no harm, no one is suffering or dying or going to jail and getting their lives ruined by it. The worst you'll get is a ride home from a cop, everyone likes a free ride.[/QUOTE] heh
[QUOTE=superdinoman;30116920]Yeah but curfews do no harm[/QUOTE] Oh and I hate to use this comparison again, but the Blacks using different water fountains and bathrooms didn't really [I]harm[/I] them, that didn't make it okay.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;30116933]Yeah, but that whole parents being able to sign away rights and send kids to WWASP camps do ruin lives, and people do die there.[/QUOTE] When you go to school you lose part of your right to Free speech you know that right? You can't tell your teacher to fuck off without consequences. [QUOTE=Zeke129;30116935]So let's just not talk about it or what [/QUOTE] We can talk about it all we want. The fact of the matter is most people have done reckless things in their younger years, mostly their teen years. Society has a distrust in teens, laws that restrict children and teens that adults consider protective will stay and since teens and children can't vote wont get changed. Thats just how things work. [QUOTE=Megafanx13;30116946]Oh and I hate to use this comparison again, but the Blacks using different water fountains and bathrooms didn't really [I]harm[/I] them, that didn't make it okay.[/QUOTE] Race card, Im done trying to discuss anything with you. Grow up
[QUOTE=superdinoman;30116970]When you go to school you lose part of your right to Free speech you know that right? You can't tell your teacher to fuck off without consequences.[/quote] Well that's a bad example, but restriction of non-hate-inciting freedom of speech is wrong. How can you not see this? [QUOTE=superdinoman;30116970]We can talk about it all we want. The fact of the matter is most people have done reckless things in their younger years, mostly their teen years. Society has a distrust in teens, laws that restrict children and teens that adults consider protective will stay and since teens and children can't vote wont get changed. Thats just how things work.[/QUOTE] As Zeke said, you don't have to accept the status quo, you know that. [editline]29th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=superdinoman;30116970]Race card, Im done trying to discuss anything with you. Grow up[/QUOTE] They're both issues of civil rights, the comparison is entirely valid. You are the child here, but if you will not discuss it any further, I suppose we're done here.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;30116988] They're both issues of civil rights, the comparison is entirely valid.[/QUOTE] Racial discrimination is a huge issue, underage limitation is not discrimination. [QUOTE=Megafanx13;30116988] You are the child here[/QUOTE] Only on the inside where it matters [QUOTE=Megafanx13;30116988] I suppose we're done here.[/QUOTE] Pretty much, there are more important issues in the world than curfews.
Minors got nothing to do downtown after midnight. Just deal with it and accept it, stop bitching about it. You'll grow up to be legal eventually.
That's the most retarded law passed in America besides gay marriage being illegal.
[QUOTE=superdinoman;30115667]You're going to be 18 eventually so stop worrying about curfew laws. They arent a big deal[/QUOTE] It's funny you say this, because quite a few members of the National Youth Rights Association are actually over eighteen, they just started when they were teenagers. Curfew laws can be challenged by an adult for a very simple reason- the curfews are put into place to protect teenagers from late night criminals, right? An adult can challenge a youth curfew law on the grounds that it infringes on the fourteenth amendment, equal protection by law, by only protecting minors while excluding adults. It seems rather silly, but it's one way that adults can help support the youth rights movement. [QUOTE=Mad Chatter;30115979]Sure, let's let minors buy alcohol and cigarettes while we're at it! Let's not discriminate against irresponsible tiny people with half developed brains![/QUOTE] I agree, let's not discriminate against teenagers. Although your post was completely facetious, that's okay, I wouldn't expect much more from you. I'm not making any arguments about controlled substances and usage by minors in this thread, that's another topic for another time. Besides, there's no constitutional amendment that grants every citizen a right to drink booze. [QUOTE=Megafanx13;30116149]I don't see why I'd give any less of a shit once I turn 18. This curfew law doesn't affect me now, and I still criticize it, so why would I stop caring about other things that don't affect me directly just because I turn 18?[/QUOTE] People like you are great, and I really appreciate your support. [QUOTE=Zeke129;30116266]civil rights aren't a non-issue[/QUOTE] Your support is much obliged as well. [QUOTE=DogGunn;30116303]good luck TropicalV2[/QUOTE] Thanks man. [QUOTE=H4wkeye;30119478]Minors got nothing to do downtown after midnight. Just deal with it and accept it, stop bitching about it. You'll grow up to be legal eventually.[/QUOTE] I don't personally have anything to do downtown after midnight, but if something comes up, so be it. I should be legally allowed to go downtown, as should any teenager. The first amendment grants every citizen freedom of assembly, so don't tell me to wait until I turn "legal" for my first amendment right to somehow be activated.
Tropical, it's good to hear you know your constitutional rights... So if you acknowledge you have the right of assembly, there is no law stopping you from doing so. The Constitution IS the law of the land in the United States, so any law contradicting the Constitution is void and ignorable. There's a lot of laws implemented that go against basic rights given by the constitution it's crazy.
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