I attend a religious school and the religion teacher explained evolution once as a fact, and we've learned about it in biology class as well. So you school probably sucks.
[QUOTE=DrLuke;21216752]you're just looking for a reason to piss onto religion's leg.[/QUOTE]
Yup, I'm always on the lookout for an opertunity =P
I can't imagine you'd get too in depth into evolution while in school anyway
the extent of it for us was basic genetics (chromosomal abnormalities, alleles, etc), adaptation, and the system of natural selection, which is entirely brief. Characteristics that allow for the survival and propagation of the species persist throughout and become more complicated over time.
I mean in a general science what else is there to learn
[QUOTE=T.F.W.O.;21218505]In the end, for some strange reason, it works.[/QUOTE]
IN THE END, IT DOESN'T EVEN MAAATTER
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[QUOTE=T.F.W.O.;21216800]It is a theory, [B]like everything else.[/B] [b]EVERYTHING[/b]...[/QUOTE]
no, not everything is a theory.
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[QUOTE=Flip pl;21228361]IN THE END, IT DOESN'T EVEN MAAATTER
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[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;21228536]no[/QUOTE]
yes it is a theory
anyone who says it isn't has never taken a science course
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;21228564]yes it is a theory
anyone who says it isn't has never taken a science course[/QUOTE]
I was talking about him saying EVERYTHING is a theory
summary of thread:
you already know about evolution. why should hey have to teach it?
[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;21228536]no[/QUOTE]
erm... no
You said you haven't learned about Evolution other then how it deals in adaptation?
You're probably assuming there's supposed to be some sort of long, arduous lecture about evolution in your microbiology course.
Charles Darwin visited an island and noticed that birds adapted to gather food differently than birds back home.
Evolution was born.
YOU HAVE BEEN TAUGHT
Personally, I have a theory friendly to both science and religion. God makes everything... and notices that his creatures are having trouble in their environments, and gives the adaptations that add up to the next stage in that creature's evolution. continue cycle forever. religious nuts are happy, because God gets to make everything, and science people are happy, because we're still the results of thousands of years of adaptations. And voila, everyone wins.
[QUOTE=The Entropanaut;21229001]Personally, I have a theory friendly to both science and religion. God makes everything... and notices that his creatures are having trouble in their environments, and gives the adaptations that add up to the next stage in that creature's evolution. continue cycle forever. religious nuts are happy, because God gets to make everything, and science people are happy, because we're still the results of thousands of years of adaptations. And voila, everyone wins.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but you can't back that claim up with textual evidence from any "holy book."
[QUOTE=MegaJohnny;21217193]Evolution is how life progresses and changes and it's how we came to be talking in this thread, I'd say it's "that" important.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's pretty much the most important thing in biology. If they're going to teach you biology, evolution should be among the first things to teach.
Kind of silly to say it's "not that important".
[QUOTE=The Entropanaut;21229001]Personally, I have a theory friendly to both science and religion. God makes everything... and notices that his creatures are having trouble in their environments, and gives the adaptations that add up to the next stage in that creature's evolution. continue cycle forever. religious nuts are happy, because God gets to make everything, and science people are happy, because we're still the results of thousands of years of adaptations. And voila, everyone wins.[/QUOTE]
That's not a theory.
AND it doesn't make "science people" happy either.
[QUOTE=DylanB;21229091]Yeah, but you can't back that claim up with textual evidence from any "holy book."[/QUOTE]
since when was a 'holy book' evidence, if we all relied on stories thought up by old men 2000 years ago we'd be nowhere
I personally find evolution to be more convincing than religion. Sorry that I don't believe a invisible being made everything singlehandedly and he loves all of us despite all fucked up shit that goes on in this planet.
[QUOTE=Sk8punkEmO;21229204]since when was a 'holy book' evidence, if we all relied on stories thought up by old men 200 years ago we'd be nowhere[/QUOTE]
....
I never said it was scientific evidence; however, it is apparent that many religious people base and contrive a lot of their beliefs from say the Bible. The problem with the "theory" that the guy I replied to came up with is just that...he came up with it. There is no LITERARY evidence that God invented evolution by natural selection.
I can say that I believe God made water transparent in order for swimmers to see underwater, but how can I justify saying that if there isn't even evidence for that claim in the Bible?
nowatimsayin'
[QUOTE=The Entropanaut;21229001]Personally, I have a theory friendly to both science and religion. God makes everything... and notices that his creatures are having trouble in their environments, and gives the adaptations that add up to the next stage in that creature's evolution. continue cycle forever. religious nuts are happy, because God gets to make everything, and science people are happy, because we're still the results of thousands of years of adaptations. And voila, everyone wins.[/QUOTE]
Except that the religious nuts wouldn't be happy either. God is a perfect being who can make no mistakes (by their definition), so he would have made the creatures so that they fit perfectly into their environment to begin with.
At school we learned the theory of Evolution, and all major Religeons. Instead of teaching none, they should teach all of them, that way people get an unbiased look at all their options and can choose what they wish to believe. So much simpler.
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[QUOTE=DiscoPony;21229449]Except that the religious nuts wouldn't be happy either. God is a perfect being who can make no mistakes (by their definition), so he would have made the creatures so that they fit perfectly into their environment to begin with.[/QUOTE]
Unless he liked flaws, and wanted to watch things adapt, right? Being perfect doesn't mean you can't have fun watching things die humourously.
[QUOTE=robowurmz;21229554]At school we learned the theory of Evolution, [B]and all major Religeons.[/B] Instead of teaching none, they should teach all of them, that way people get an unbiased look at all their options and can choose what they wish to believe. So much simpler.
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I disagree. What makes one religion any more right than another religion just because more people believe it?
Religion of any kind shouldn't be taught in schools unless it is a private school.
[QUOTE=robowurmz;21229554]At school we learned the theory of Evolution, and all major Religeons. Instead of teaching none, they should teach all of them, that way people get an unbiased look at all their options and can choose what they wish to believe. So much simpler.
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Unless he liked flaws, and wanted to watch things adapt, right? Being perfect doesn't mean you can't have fun watching things die humourously.[/QUOTE]
It's what I would do if I were god. But from his post
[quote]God makes everything... and notices that his creatures are having trouble in their environments[/quote]
God fucked up.
[QUOTE=DylanB;21229618]Religion of any kind shouldn't be taught in schools unless it is a private school.[/QUOTE]
So true.
[QUOTE=DylanB;21229618]I disagree. What makes one religion any more right than another religion just because more people believe it?
Religion of any kind shouldn't be taught in schools unless it is a private school.[/QUOTE]
It's not a question of what's right and what's not. It's just useful to know what people believe in. I mean, if you went to any school at all you were taught something about myths. You read books of fiction. They're not right, are they?
[QUOTE=DylanB;21229618]I disagree. What makes one religion any more right than another religion just because more people believe it?
Religion of any kind shouldn't be taught in schools unless it is a private school.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying it's more right - I'm saying it's major because a large amount of people believe it, and therefore you are more likely to meet people who believe one of the major religions (or none) than someone who genuinely believes in Jedi-ism, right?
The thing about teaching Religion is that you understand people who believe in such things - more understanding leads to better relationships between people, and thus we break down barriers.
[QUOTE=ThePuska;21229766]It's not a question of what's right and what's not. It's just useful to know what people believe in. I mean, if you went to any school at all you were taught something about myths. You read books of fiction. They're not right, are they?[/QUOTE]
The way he phrased it was that they learned about religion side-by-side evolution, as if religious myths were science.
I'm all for learning about different cultures, but actually teaching the myths alongside teaching actual scientific facts and theories is what I'm against.
[QUOTE=robowurmz;21229789]I'm not saying it's more right - I'm saying it's major because a large amount of people believe it, and therefore you are more likely to meet people who believe one of the major religions (or none) than someone who genuinely believes in Jedi-ism, right?
The thing about teaching Religion is that you understand people who believe in such things - more understanding leads to better relationships between people, and thus we break down barriers.[/QUOTE]
That's fine. Like I said, based on the context, you made it sound like they were teaching evolution accompanied with various religious teachings.
[QUOTE=DylanB;21229817]but actually teaching the myths alongside teaching actual scientific facts and theories is what I'm against.[/QUOTE]
agreed, science is science, and religion, even if it's counted as a valid 'theory,' should not be tought along with science as science itself.
[QUOTE=Sk8punkEmO;21229906]agreed, science is science, and religion, [B]even if it's counted as a valid 'theory[/B],' should not be tought along with science as science itself.[/QUOTE]
Sure, but fyi religious claims aren't counted as scientific theories in the first place.
Evolution is a hoax man!
Schools shouldn't teach about theories at all, only facts. You don't learn much, because its a theory and its just words when its a theory, but when its fact, its history.
[QUOTE=The Entropanaut;21229001]Personally, I have a theory friendly to both science and religion. God makes everything... and notices that his creatures are having trouble in their environments, and gives the adaptations that add up to the next stage in that creature's evolution. continue cycle forever. religious nuts are happy, because God gets to make everything, and science people are happy, because we're still the results of thousands of years of adaptations. And voila, everyone wins.[/QUOTE]
"Science people" are not happy, because it's not true, you just made it up. It's not a theory either, and you're an idiot.
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[QUOTE=PjaNoo^;21230526]Schools shouldn't teach about theories at all, only facts. You don't learn much, because its a theory and its just words when its a theory, but when its fact, its history.[/QUOTE]
It's a [B]scientific[/B] theory. A scientific theory is made from facts. It is a fact that evolution occurs, the theory deals with how/why.
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