• Should the US gotten involved sooner in WWII?
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[QUOTE=Matt PL;21996531]roosevelt was scared of nazis,nazi germany had the biggest and best army at that time[/QUOTE] lol, what?
WWII and maybe even WWI looked like it got the USA where it is today, it got it money and out of the depression. No I'm not trying to say "oh the USA is founded on death war and destruction" No. Large wars stimulate the economy in creating a ton of jobs in the factory's for creating war supplies etc, I did not know if the USA knew this when declaring war, tho.
Wanna hear a difficult question? Q: How many wars have USA won?
[QUOTE=TurbisV2;21997515]No, they were perfect cannon fodder during D-Day. Edit; Oh and fun fact, George Bush's (senior) father sold the fuel to germany that powered the bombings of england. Awesome eh?[/QUOTE] Didn't they also sell them gas for the gas chambers? Or was that the Pope?
Pre-WWII: America is as isolationist as possible. Post-WWII: War is Americas new pass time.
It helped with the depression at the time and helped the war effort. The policy of isolationism indirectly caused WW2.
[QUOTE=doonbugie;21996711]No, Because the US is the best example of stupid. Cant even explain how stupid the US is. They have mastered stupid fucking stupid. Congratulations. GAME OVER U.S. OF ASS. PS: Fucking Fuck.[/QUOTE] oh yeah, you made your point clear with that, Fucking fuck
The US wanted to stay out because going to war ment the sacrifice of american soldiers. I think they should have went in earlier but im not sure that was in the United States best intrest at the time.
1. 'Gotten' is not a real word. 2. The US didn't want to get involved in Europe's problems and felt that Europe should get out of its own mess. 3. The Allies won. Not the US, Not Britain, Not France, Not the USSR - The Allies won. [editline]07:28PM[/editline] [QUOTE=latirCole;22005920]It helped with the depression at the time and helped the war effort. The policy of isolationism indirectly caused WW2.[/QUOTE] WW2 was caused by The League of Nations making the Treaty of Versailles too harsh.
[QUOTE=lifehole;22005760]WWII and maybe even WWI looked like it got the USA where it is today, it got it money and out of the depression. No I'm not trying to say "oh the USA is founded on death war and destruction" No. Large wars stimulate the economy in creating a ton of jobs in the factory's for creating war supplies etc, I did not know if the USA knew this when declaring war, tho.[/QUOTE] Wars stimulated the economy and created jobs back back in the days of industral warfare (from the beginning of the Industrial Revolution to the end of World War II) In modern times it's a completely different story.
[QUOTE=Tac Error;22006402]Wars stimulated the economy and created jobs back back in the days of industral warfare (from the beginning of the Industrial Revolution to the end of World War II) In modern times it's a completely different story.[/QUOTE] Yes, the US needs the oil.
I was under the impression that the Brits were probably the most important. If the Germany had taken over quickly they could've easily diverted everything to Russia and possible win, instead, they spend too much time trying to "crush" the RAF.
[QUOTE=Shibbey;22006473]I was under the impression that the Brits were probably the most important. If the Germany had taken over quickly they could've easily diverted everything to Russia and possible win, instead, they spend too much time trying to "crush" the RAF.[/QUOTE] Britain played an important role by keeping Germany's attention while the USSR built up it's army.
[QUOTE=Sirias;21997834]Herp derp America England and France are stupid for beating the shit out of germany after WW1. thus causing WW2..[/QUOTE] Actually they [I]didn't[/I] beat the shit out of Germany which is why they went to war again just 20 years later. The League of Nations imposed harsh reparations on Germany when they hadn't really been defeated, or at least it appeared that way to the Germans.
the USA won the war for all you [editline]02:40PM[/editline] thank us please
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;22000476]I asked myself the same question when I was 12. My answer? No. If we did get involved earlier on we wouldn't of had the proper aircraft,tanks, and even boats to take on the Germans. Not only this, if we took on Germany first you know what would happen? Australia,New Zeland,and China all may of been under control of Japan. Also, by attacking earlier on we would of sustained significant more casualties ,and even if we did manage to beat the Germans we would then have to redirect our attention to Japan which at that time was planning a land invasion on Alaska. (Which they landed on the islands ,but not mainland) [editline]03:00AM[/editline] 229 actually.[/QUOTE] The Japanese would not be able to take Australia. Possibly New Zealand.
[QUOTE=radioactive;22006348]1. 'Gotten' is not a real word. 2. The US didn't want to get involved in Europe's problems and felt that Europe should get out of its own mess. 3. The Allies won. Not the US, Not Britain, Not France, Not the USSR - The Allies won. [editline]07:28PM[/editline] WW2 was caused by The League of Nations making the Treaty of Versailles too harsh.[/QUOTE] Yeah i'll agree with that, but that's not the whole story. Sure the Germans were agree about this but their foreign minister, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustav_Stresemann]Gustav Stresemann[/url] started to sort out Germany. Sadly he died just before the crash in america and germany also felt the backlash as they were being supported by America through the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Plan]Dawes Plan[/url] and the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Plan]Young Plan[/url]. Hitler then managed to gain a strong political ground by promising to get rid of the Treaty of Versailles and to restore Germany's economy. One of the main reasons America's economy failed is because of their isolationism and the high tariffs to trade with other countries, causing a fail in the economy.
[QUOTE=radioactive;22006348]1. 'Gotten' is not a real word. 2. The US didn't want to get involved in Europe's problems and felt that Europe should get out of its own mess. 3. The Allies won. Not the US, Not Britain, Not France, Not the USSR - The Allies won. [editline]07:28PM[/editline] WW2 was caused by The League of Nations making the Treaty of Versailles too harsh.[/QUOTE] Contributing the cause of WW2 to one thing makes you look fucking stupid.
[QUOTE=Craptasket;21996458]Does it matter? we won[/QUOTE] I hope by "we" you mean the Allies and not just the Americans
[QUOTE=BagMinge101;21996437]This question got posed to the class for homework on our schools online forum, and it got me thinking. Personally, I think yes. Some people might argue that we tried to preserve American lives by staying out of it, but what is an American life compared to a British one? A German one? An Italian one? Your nationality does not determine how much or less of a human being you are. Everyone fighting on those battlefields had emotions, memories, a past, people they loved, and perhaps died for. They weren't faceless, soul-less statistics as popular media depicts them. They are people, going through the same experiences as any other person here. If we were to involve ourselves earlier, a great many lives would be saved, lives that could of shaped the world today. War is so horredously marginalized with our Call of Duties and our WWII films. Think about the idea of war for a second: Hundreds of thousands, even millions, are sent to their death, and for what? Land? Resources? Even worse, beliefs? These are people with lives, ideas, families, and real actions with real impacts on our lives, even if to a small degree, and they cease to exist. Thoughts, etc.[/QUOTE] Government 101: A government's job is, first and foremost, to preserve the lives of its citizens. If it comes to the conclusion that a threat is worth waiting out instead of getting involved in, then it will probably not move to action. So yes, a European life is worth less than an American one to the US government. The reverse is also true.
[QUOTE=GunFox;22007555]Government 101: A government's job is, first and foremost, to preserve the lives of its citizens. If it comes to the conclusion that a threat is worth waiting out instead of getting involved in, then it will probably not move to action. So yes, a European life is worth less than an American one to the US government. The reverse is also true.[/QUOTE] /agree. the US was trying to do what was right for the people.
The isolationist policy the US had originated all the way back to George Washington, who essentially advised such a policy in his farewell address. There was a major precedent to avoid such a large scale foreign conflict, which was why the US delayed fighting in both world wars.
[QUOTE=CubeManv2;21996536]When we didn't jump in they bitched to get in. When we do jump in they bitch saying they got it.[/QUOTE] In WW1 US entered without being asked, Germans were still losing but America just ass raped them, Allied would of won WW1 if America wasn't involved, it just was quicker. In WW2 im sorry but it wasn't just America that won in Europe, it was the Alliance. Everyone had a part. In the pacific it was America and Britain. I'm tired of people saying America does everything, they don't
Agaghghhhhhh children debating history. I don't even want to read most of the thread cause I know it will make me facepalm till death. Pretty much gonna degenerate into people arguing "NO MY COUNTRIES BETTER, NO MINE IS, HURTHHRRGGG" The US obviously provoked Japan into attacking, they wanted into the war they just needed a somewhat legitimate reason to get in. And well it worked.
[QUOTE=CubeManv2;21996536]When we didn't jump in they bitched to get in. When we do jump in they bitch saying they got it.[/QUOTE] sounds just like your sex life... bu-dum tshh
Patriotism everywhere in this bitch.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;21997422]A huge factor of it being weak was the fact that the US wasn't in it. Wilson wanted to create it and they did, but then the US decided "fuck that" and they never joined. If the US joined, it might've had the power it needed. But who's to say. We don't know. It might've failed anyway due to the economic collapse that followed. But if they were in it, they would've joined the war much sooner than they did.[/QUOTE] You forget the abyssinia crisis... regardless of whether the US joined, if the League of Nations couldn't see past economic gain, it could not stop the war from happening. Had they imposed oil sanctions on Italy, it could have altered the course of WW2, not by much, but who knows... [editline]08:06PM[/editline] [QUOTE=ashxu;22000181]No. It wouldn't of mattered. France and Britain shouldn't of let Hitler take the Rhineland. Then maybe Hitler wouldn't of slowly taken back it's colonies and WW2 maybe wouldn't of ever happened. [editline]09:12AM[/editline] Russia wasn't exactly in a state to fight Hitler. If it wasn't for the Russian Winter things could of been different.[/QUOTE] Had Hitler been a competent military leader or given command to his generals, the war would have been even more different.
If America didn't step in for the victory pie, Russia would be the 2nd coming of Germany now, and cold war could probably turn into a real war because no way in hell would Russia just give up all the land they won. In a way, America took the partial glory from Russia.
[QUOTE=doonbugie;21996711]No, Because the US is the best example of stupid. Cant even explain how stupid the US is. They have mastered stupid fucking stupid. Congratulations. GAME OVER U.S. OF ASS. PS: Fucking Fuck.[/QUOTE] Look mommy! A jealous Canadian!
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