• Best of the Alien Quadrilogy
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[QUOTE=Gar;22049169]I did. All I saw is they had ideas that were cut that you liked that you are holding onto so hard and think that they are still in despite obvious evidence to the contrary. Don't get so upset. If you want to get Scientific, (Which I doubt, apparently Science Fiction includes everything except Science,) the one xenomorph in Alien was alone. Had no backup, had no reinforcements...had no commander. You could say that the massive amounts of them in Aliens maybe changed some stuff up. Not getting rid of it, but you see what would happen if there was a whole army of them instead of just one lone monster. But you're right, that's getting a little too Sciencey for any good Science Fiction, it's better off just to say some wizard, I mean, Hollywood producer did it.[/QUOTE] The ideas weren't cut. The scenes were cut. The ideas are still there, the intention of the movie didn't change because it's not expressly spoon fed to you. And what fucking evidence to the contrary? That's not what I said at all, but okay, if you want to be a bitch. You're not even making any sense. If there are more aliens, they change? How? Why?
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22049274]The ideas weren't cut. The scenes were cut. The ideas are still there, the intention of the movie didn't change because it's not expressly spoon fed to you. And what fucking evidence to the contrary?[/quote] Okay fine, the scenes were cut. Expressly spoon fed? I'm sorry, I forgot to get the full experience of the movie, you have to go on wikipedia or some fansite to get the whole damn picture. (Or commentary?) [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22049274]You're not even making any sense. If there are more aliens, they change? How? Why?[/QUOTE] Oh come on, think a little. If you're playing a game, and you have no teammates, you're going to play differently, more careful because you don't want to die. If you HAVE teammates, you have guys covering your back, you're covering theirs. The dynamic is different.
What's this argument about?
[QUOTE=Gar;22049384]Okay fine, the scenes were cut. Expressly spoon fed? I'm sorry, I forgot to get the full experience of the movie, you have to go on wikipedia or some fansite to get the whole damn picture. (Or commentary?) Oh come on, think a little. If you're playing a game, and you have no teammates, you're going to play differently, more careful because you don't want to die. If you HAVE teammates, you have guys covering your back, you're covering theirs. The dynamic is different.[/QUOTE] Or just think about the way the movie is shot and the way things are presented. You know, the alien ship that is made out of fleshy human bits? A hand with a vagina that latches onto your face and sticks a proboscis into your mouth? Impregnation? Recurring themes of sexuality and invincibility? It's called thinking. I still have no idea how this is relevant to anything. A chimp may act different in a group than alone, but it's still a chimp. [editline]09:28PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Gummylamb;22049860]What's this argument about?[/QUOTE] I honestly don't know.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22049860]What's this argument about?[/QUOTE] good question fuck if i can be bothered to read scorpios essays
[QUOTE=postal;22049905]good question fuck if i can be bothered to read scorpios essays[/QUOTE] well if you don't care then I'm hardly forcing you to read it now am I isn't my fault that no one here understands science fiction and I have to go through the motions to explain it
Aliens
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22036215]When I watch something, or when I read something, I want something that doesn't at any point make me say, "that's fucking retarded".[/quote] Nothing about the concept of aliens as being more animalistic instead of invincible-zombie-humans-aliens-who-can-steal-people's-voices is retarded. [quote]Now, you may be looking for some sort of fully accurate science novel that includes no disreputable concepts,[/quote] Gonna cut off your quote right there because the rest is just extended rambling. No, I'm not looking for a perfectly explainable scientific explanation for something in a science fiction movie. It's science FICTION. They can make shit up, but the general idea is that it's in the realm of unknown science that may still seem [i]plausible[/i], but doesn't necessarily need to be explained with complete coherency. You can repeatedly bash me and insult my creativity/intelligence or say I have a closed mind, but something that is explained as simply "invincible" IS boring to me because it's obvious they can't do anything to it. Sure it can be big and scary, but the idea of it simply being "invincible" is just so... well, simplistic... and somewhat unthreatening because it doesn't pull me into the universe with at least a thread of believability. It's why I can't really enjoy fantasy movies or books as much as I used to when I was a kid, because their theoretical universe where they can use the excuse "well, it's magic!" whenever something spectacular happens, just doesn't grip me like something interesting that makes me think "hm, I wonder how that could work". [quote] So is having acid for blood. Want to find me a way that an organism can have acid blood that can eat through a bulkhead, yet not turn them into a puddle of sick, be my guest.[/QUOTE] I'm not an advanced chemist, but I'm sure there's a type of material that doesn't react to chemical acid in the same way other materials do. Or perhaps the blood reacts with oxygen, did you ever think about that? You do know that acid isn't literally "hot", right? It's not like liquid lava or anything, it causes a chemical reaction that deteriorates certain compounds, as far as I understand.
There are plastics that are acid proof. Why is it so weird that an Alien can be acid proof?
The first one was excellent.
Are they making a fifth? I heard some rumors they were planning on making one about the big ship that was in the first movie. Explaining how it got there and stuff.
[QUOTE=Rich209;22055438]Are they making a fifth? I heard some rumors they were planning on making one about the big ship that was in the first movie. Explaining how it got there and stuff.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=928289[/url]
[QUOTE=Publius;21987584]Alien 3 is the best - but unless you've seen the Director's Cut you can't really comment on it. The theatrical cut is garbage, and gives a lot of people the wrong impression. But the director's cut is breathtaking. It's about an hour longer, and has a very different story. In the theatrical version the alien comes [sp]from a dog[/sp] but in the movie it comes [sp]from an ox[/sp].[/QUOTE] No.
month old news, but i can't believe i missed these [img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1482927/Alien/alienbluray.png[/img] [img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1482927/Alien/alienbluray1.png[/img] [img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1482927/Alien/alienbluray2.png[/img] [img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1482927/Alien/alienbluray3.png[/img] so fucking buying that egg edition regardless of price
I don't have a blue ray player :( This might be a reason to get one, well that and Bladerunner.
[QUOTE=Mabus;22061845]I don't have a blue ray player :( This might be a reason to get one, well that and Bladerunner.[/QUOTE] Blu-ray drive + anydvd hd best investment i've ever made
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suA2Hy-0mxI[/media] Audio was too low when recording :/ Also: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcLTaMpRl2o[/media]
that rap is awesome.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;22061820] so fucking buying that egg edition regardless of price[/QUOTE] I'm really tempted to buy the egg, but i dont know where i'd put the damn thing. Buying the bluray regardless. It has the deleted cocooned burke scene C:
[img]http://gadgets.boingboing.net/Alien%20queen%20car%20russia.jpg[/img] How fucking awesome is that?
Alien is a trilogy...there is no fourth movie...there isn't :frown:...it doesn't exist...
[QUOTE=En-Guage V2;22119419][img]http://gadgets.boingboing.net/Alien%20queen%20car%20russia.jpg[/img] How fucking awesome is that?[/QUOTE] It looks like it would overheat instantly. And why is it green?
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;21991277] Still human, but thinking on the level of a predator. But by the end the thing was supposed to be equal in intelligence to humans. In the original ending it kills Ripley, and then radios a message back to earth in her voice.[/QUOTE] Wow... really? I'd burst out laughing and leave the cinema eating the ticket. That's fucking stupid. If that would happen I wouldn't be the fan of aliens as I am right now. [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;21994430] And no, the thing was supposed to be completely invincible. That's where the horror element comes from, the fact that it's completely unstoppable.[/QUOTE] No the horror elements comes from the fact that there is an intelligent killer from an unknown alien species after you. [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;21994430] Unrealistic? You're talking about an Alien with a giant penis for a head that has a mouth inside of it's mouth, and yet the idea that it's unstoppable is the part that bugs you? If you want something believable, watch the Science channel. Now, you may be looking for some sort of fully accurate science novel that includes no disreputable concepts Explanations are for science textbooks. You want a world that's entirely explained and consistent, like I said, watch the science channel, because you're never going to find that in science fiction. At least not semi decent science fiction. [/QUOTE] "Science fiction is a genre of fiction. It differs from fantasy in that, within the context of the story, its imaginary elements are largely possible within scientifically established or scientifically postulated laws of nature" You are preaching us about sci-fi and you don't even know what it is. Sci-fi is meant to be possible and explainable in large part. Being invincible is [B]magic[/B]. If earth would be attacked by giant killer diapers from mars, that would be fantasy, not sci-fi. If we would see some alien species that are possible/believable it would be sci-fi. Also your version of alien is fucking horrible: penis-head-invincible-super-intelligent-killer-from-outer-space. I'd fucking hate the whole series if it was about some shit like that.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;22120844]Wow... really? I'd burst out laughing and leave the cinema eating the ticket. That's fucking stupid. If that would happen I wouldn't be the fan of aliens as I am right now. No the horror elements comes from the fact that there is an intelligent killer from an unknown alien species after you. "Science fiction is a genre of fiction. It differs from fantasy in that, within the context of the story, its imaginary elements are largely possible within scientifically established or scientifically postulated laws of nature" You are preaching us about sci-fi and you don't even know what it is. Sci-fi is meant to be possible and explainable in large part. Being invincible is [B]magic[/B]. If earth would be attacked by giant killer diapers from mars, that would be fantasy, not sci-fi. If we would see some alien species that are possible/believable it would be sci-fi. Also your version of alien is fucking horrible: penis-head-invincible-super-intelligent-killer-from-outer-space. I'd fucking hate the whole series if it was about some shit like that.[/QUOTE] Maybe the fact that your reaction to any sort of strange content is to make it seem even more ridiculous and laugh at it shows a problem with you and not the content itself. Also, I like how you call the alien an intelligent alien killer and then include those attributes on your list of why "my alien" is retarded. And, I'm sorry, the head is a penis. That's a what Giger draws. [img]http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss225/OdinBorson/TrollFace.png[/img] DEAL WITH IT
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22120300]It looks like it would overheat instantly. And why is it green?[/QUOTE] I think they would have sorted problems like that out from the start and the reason it's green, is because [B]ITS FUCKING AWESOME[/B]
I don't understand where you are all getting this "oh shit, its invincible" idea from. What i think makes it scarier is that they mention that it can't be killed, but only as a passing mention when the android decides to act all smug. This instills you with a small tiny sense of hope, a tiny glimmer on a marble that they could hurt it, or kill it. Then you hopes are slowly destroyed throughout the movie, reducing you to a quivering bag of emotion and fear for this creature. I have to agree with Scorpio on the whole "the alien embodies humanity". It makes sense, and the fact that it is near indestructible (not invincible) but that its hard to put down says a lot for our dark side. It will always be there, no mater how old and wise we are, we will always have dark thoughts and lusts. Alien does this to such a degree of perfection, by accident or design i don't know but i believe Geiger had a part in the whole principle behind the idea of the alien. Aliens was a good movie, but it wasn't a good alien movie. Whenever i watch it i try and put myself into the mindset that this is a different breed of aliens, less evolved ones and so forth. But i am not for one second saying its a bad movie because its not. I prefer alien for its depth and its ability to have me on the edge of my seat from the start from the claustrophobic atmosphere. even the actors where haggard and pale due to the fact they spent days closed up into a closed set away from the sun.
[QUOTE=cherry gmod;22121206]I don't understand where you are all getting this "oh shit, its invincible" idea from. What i think makes it scarier is that they mention that it can't be killed, but only as a passing mention when the android decides to act all smug. This instills you with a small tiny sense of hope, a tiny glimmer on a marble that they could hurt it, or kill it. Then you hopes are slowly destroyed throughout the movie, reducing you to a quivering bag of emotion and fear for this creature. I have to agree with Scorpio on the whole "the alien embodies humanity". It makes sense, and the fact that it is near indestructible (not invincible) but that its hard to put down says a lot for our dark side. It will always be there, no mater how old and wise we are, we will always have dark thoughts and lusts. Alien does this to such a degree of perfection, by accident or design i don't know but i believe Geiger had a part in the whole principle behind the idea of the alien. Aliens was a good movie, but it wasn't a good alien movie. Whenever i watch it i try and put myself into the mindset that this is a different breed of aliens, less evolved ones and so forth. But i am not for one second saying its a bad movie because its not. I prefer alien for its depth and its ability to have me on the edge of my seat from the start from the claustrophobic atmosphere. even the actors where haggard and pale due to the fact they spent days closed up into a closed set away from the sun.[/QUOTE] Well of course it's not actually invincible, I don't mean to say that it's literally incapable of being destroyed. What I'm trying to say is that it's invincible for all intents and purposes. In the same way that an elephant is invincible to a frog. That's where I'm divided. I really liked Aliens, and I enjoy watching it, but it just fucks up the Alien so much. Though it's not really entirely it's fault, you could say Alien fell apart due the actions of producers and some bad editing decisions. But Aliens sort of set everything in stone. I really think Alien was a much lesser movie with the changed ending. In the same way Brazil wouldn't have worked if it had a happy ending. Not that it's bad, it just falls short of perfection.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;22120844][B]1.[/B]Wow... really? I'd burst out laughing and leave the cinema eating the ticket. That's fucking stupid. If that would happen I wouldn't be the fan of aliens as I am right now. [B]2.[/B]No the horror elements comes from the fact that there is an intelligent killer from an unknown alien species after you. [B]3.[/B]You are preaching us about sci-fi and you don't even know what it is. Sci-fi is meant to be possible and explainable in large part. Being invincible is [B]magic[/B]. [/QUOTE] 1.Okay, you do that. It's quite obvious that you can't cater to, or understand, potentially higher concepts than MONSTER CHASES HUMAN. 2. Yeah, that's a recipe for shitty dime-a-dozen horror. The greatest horror movies have always been built off psychological themes. 3. You're an idiot. In the context of the crew of the Nostromo, it was, for all intents and purposes, invincible. They had nothing that could kill it.
I think imitating somebody's voice as a one off at the end of a film would seem fairly dumb, ill thought through and rushed. In Predator, he does it very early on, and it's always apparent that through it's technology, it can imitate people. Then when he does it later, it makes more sense.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;22121906]I think imitating somebody's voice as a one off at the end of a film would seem fairly dumb, ill thought through and rushed. In Predator, he does it very early on, and it's always apparent that through it's technology, it can imitate people. Then when he does it later, it makes more sense.[/QUOTE] No no, that's not the idea at all. it doesn't [I]imitate[/I] Ripley, it [I]becomes[/I] Ripley. The idea being that the Alien, a being that embodies all of our darkest primal instincts, becomes human, tying the two concepts together. It's the sort of thing you have to put some thought into.
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