• Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 2
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[QUOTE=RichardCQ;31160914]How is immortality/invisibility more selfish than resurrection from the dead?[/QUOTE] Not being able to let somebody go. Wanting them back for yourself.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;31160936]Not being able to let somebody go. Wanting them back for yourself.[/QUOTE] That's really relatively benign compared to the shit you could do with invisibility, also because cloaks are widely available, it makes real sense that you could actually hide someone from death with it
[QUOTE=RichardCQ;31161005]That's really relatively benign compared to the shit you could do with invisibility, also because cloaks are widely available, it makes real sense that you could actually hide someone from death with it[/QUOTE] I think the point of the story was that death was pissed because they cheated it, so he gave them items they wanted to kill them. Elder Wand killed because people were willing to murder for it, Resurrection Stone killed by Grief, but the Invisibility Cloak was used to hide from Death until the correct time, and the brother who had the cloak greeted Death as a friend.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;31161089]I think the point of the story was that death was pissed because they cheated it, so he gave them items they wanted to kill them. Elder Wand killed because people were willing to murder for it, Resurrection Stone killed by Grief, but the Invisibility Cloak was used to hide from Death until the correct time, and the brother who had the cloak greeted Death as a friend.[/QUOTE] Yes, this is understood, but it's not like "OH HEY SNAPE'S ABOUT TO CROAK LET'S TEST THE TRUTH OF THE LEGEND" is a hard thought. Further than that, if you were clever you could [B]create immortality armor with overclothes and an illusion charm[/B]. Sounds useful, eh?
I might be wrong, but [sp]didn't Neville and Luna actually get together at the end of the film? I always thought it was kind of a pisstake that they married different people in the book, they were clearly made for each other[/sp]
[QUOTE=Turnips5;31161275]I might be wrong, but [sp]didn't Neville and Luna actually get together at the end of the film? I always thought it was kind of a pisstake that they married different people in the book, they were clearly made for each other[/sp][/QUOTE] Think so, but it wasn't shown
I like how Dumbledore isn't always portrayed as the perfect good guy, like you would suspect.
I saw it tonight and found it quite enjoyable. I haven't seen the other movies or read the books. I think the cgi and cinematography swayed me on this one, still quite a good watch. EMMA WATSON CLEAVAGE AIGHT
[QUOTE=MisterM;31162761]I saw it tonight and found it quite enjoyable. [B]I haven't seen the other movies or read the books.[/B] I think the cgi and cinematography swayed me on this one, still quite a good watch. EMMA WATSON CLEAVAGE AIGHT[/QUOTE] How did you understand anything?
So you guys know, the Spiders [sp]started out on Death Eater side in the books I believe, but eventually went neutral and attacked EVERYONE...Or, they were neutral from the start when they appeared. Something about protecting the forest or some shit. It's been a long time since I read book 7.[/sp]
I am truly saddened that it's all done. I know the books were finished years ago, but we always had a few more movies to rely on. Philosopher's/Sorcerer's Stone and Deathly Hallows had the best book to movie conversion in my opinion. The special effects were amazing, and they didn't skip a beat. You'd think splitting it into two parts was just a plot to make more money, but it really wasn't. It would've turned out horrible without those 4 and a half hours. I'm surprised at how well they explained everything in this one. Not even part 1 of DH explained things well enough. Especially about [sp]Harry being a Horcrux, and Snape actually being a good guy. I was sure they'd screw both those things up.[/sp]
trying to avoid spoilers, can someone give me a quick analysis? Is it cry-worthy?
[QUOTE=Rocko's;31159416]Just saw the movie. Great movie, I loved the part where they show [sp]Harry's parents as ghosts[/sp] But 1 thing that's bothering me is, [sp]How did Harry live? I thought he was killed?[/sp][/QUOTE] The reason Harry [sp]had a choice is because the Killing Curse only destroyed the part of Voldemort's soul that was in Harry. It knocked Harry out, but the piece of Voldemort's soul protected his own. Remember, it's magic, it's not like he took a bullet to the head and magically survived. It's never explained specifically in the books to my knowledge, but I'm pretty sure the reason someone hit by the killing curse doesn't have a single scratch on their body is because the curse itself only takes the soul. And the curse went for Voldemort's soul, which I already said.[/sp]
[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;31163933]I guess so. There were a lot of crying people in the theater when I went.[/QUOTE] Is it cryworthy if you dont cry much?
While I found the movie to be good, I was hoping for a bigger battle scene. It was more like snippets of fighting then five minutes of talking. I was hoping for a LOTR style battle, but with lots of wizards. [editline]16th July 2011[/editline] Also I felt they could have added a couple of extra minutes to the whole [sp]pensive[/sp] scene. [sp]I think it would have been more effective if they showed Snape's and Harry's mom's relationship more than just meeting and the beginning of school.[/sp]
[QUOTE=ragawaga;31164154]Is it cryworthy if you dont cry much?[/QUOTE] It isn't a real tear jerker. But you will feel a tear come out of your eye at the ending.
[QUOTE=ZF911;31163863]The reason Harry [sp]had a choice is because the Killing Curse only destroyed the part of Voldemort's soul that was in Harry. It knocked Harry out, but the piece of Voldemort's soul protected his own. Remember, it's magic, it's not like he took a bullet to the head and magically survived. It's never explained specifically in the books to my knowledge, but I'm pretty sure the reason someone hit by the killing curse doesn't have a single scratch on their body is because the curse itself only takes the soul. And the curse went for Voldemort's soul, which I already said.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]The killing curse doesn't terminate the soul. The ghosts of Harry's parents and among the others wouldn't really make sense then. The killing curse just kills, and the curse struck the horcrux inside of Harry, which at the same time is protecting the host. [/sp]
The reason Harry [sp]came back[/sp]was because: [sp]It's said that the one who unites the Deathly Hallows can conquer death. Harry had the Invisibility Cloak, he was given the Resurrection Stone and he won the Elder Wand. Therefore, when Voldemort killed him he appeared in Limbo. At this point, Muggles have to choose to go on, while Magical folk can choose if they want to move on or come back as a ghost. Harry chose to come back, but since he had united the Deathly Hallows, he came back completely alive. Voldemort destroyed the part of his soul in Harry by killing him, but only Harry's soul came back when he chose to.[/sp]
One thing that bothered me: [sp]When Harry walks into the Forbidden Forest to die, none of the Death Eaters (or Voldemort himself) checks to see if he's an imposter or under Polyjuice Potion or something. They all just assume it's really him and Voldemort fires away. Was it like this in the book? I can't remember because I didn't read it a second time.[/sp]
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;31165297][sp]The killing curse doesn't terminate the soul. The ghosts of Harry's parents and among the others wouldn't really make sense then. The killing curse just kills, and the curse struck the horcrux inside of Harry, which at the same time is protecting the host. [/sp][/QUOTE] I meant that it [sp]removed the soul from the body, causing death, not destroying it. But you're right, it doesn't make since, because Dementors can remove souls from a person without killing them.[/sp] [editline]17th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Aries;31165518]The reason Harry [sp]came back[/sp]was because: [sp]It's said that the one who unites the Deathly Hallows can conquer death. Harry had the Invisibility Cloak, he was given the Resurrection Stone and he won the Elder Wand. Therefore, when Voldemort killed him he appeared in Limbo. At this point, Muggles have to choose to go on, while Magical folk can choose if they want to move on or come back as a ghost. Harry chose to come back, but since he had united the Deathly Hallows, he came back completely alive. Voldemort destroyed the part of his soul in Harry by killing him, but only Harry's soul came back when he chose to.[/sp][/QUOTE] That could be true, but [sp]Harry never had all three Hallows at the same time. The wand was loyal to him, and he did own the cloak, but neither were directly with him at the time. He had left the resurrection stone in the forest. Maybe you don't need to be physically holding all three Hallows at the same time, but he had still gotten rid of the stone beforehand.[/sp]
[QUOTE=ZF911;31166453]That could be true, but [sp]Harry never had all three Hallows at the same time. The wand was loyal to him, and he did own the cloak, but neither were directly with him at the time. He had left the resurrection stone in the forest. Maybe you don't need to be physically holding all three Hallows at the same time, but he had still gotten rid of the stone beforehand.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]The entire series is about magic. Harry eventually came into ownership of all items; they were "loyal" to him, like wands. Therefore he was their master, and could conquer death.[/sp]
Simply put, the battle of hogwarts was an atrocious adaptation of the final battle and moments of the book. That really did it for me, I enjoyed the movie up to that point.
Well, shit, it took me this long to realize that they left out something really important. Why didn't they [sp]show more of Dumbledore's story? It's mentioned that "his father killed those four muggles", but we never get to know why and how, nor who they were. We never got to know more of Ariana. We never got to know more of Grindelwald etc.[/sp]
[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;31168815]I don't really think that the book OR the movie [sp] killed off Voldemort in a satisfying way. [/sp][/QUOTE] The book did it better. The big speech infront of everybody, the battle being in the Great Hall etc. What annoyed me is how they never mentioned Harry sacrificing himself for the Students/Teachers of Hogwarts, so the curses that the Death Eaters/Voldemort cast wouldn't do anything to them. I thought it was a wonderful touch in the book, and it was one of my favourite plot points.
[QUOTE=ZF911;31166453]I meant that it [sp]removed the soul from the body, causing death, not destroying it. But you're right, it doesn't make since, because Dementors can remove souls from a person without killing them.[/sp] [editline]17th July 2011[/editline] That could be true, but [sp]Harry never had all three Hallows at the same time. The wand was loyal to him, and he did own the cloak, but neither were directly with him at the time. He had left the resurrection stone in the forest. Maybe you don't need to be physically holding all three Hallows at the same time, but he had still gotten rid of the stone beforehand.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]In the context of the book, If we take the scene at Kings cross to be real, then Harry is tied to life as long is Voldemort is still alive, as he used Harry's blood to rebuild his body giving both of them Lily's protection. However the killing curse did destroy the part of Voldemort's soul in Harry[/sp]
going to see it in like 2 hours, looking forward to it :D
I'm going to see it tomorrow morning, so excited :D I read the book a 2nd time in prep for tomorrow, it's all fresh in my mine now
[QUOTE=Backfall;31165686]One thing that bothered me: [sp]When Harry walks into the Forbidden Forest to die, none of the Death Eaters (or Voldemort himself) checks to see if he's an imposter or under Polyjuice Potion or something. They all just assume it's really him and Voldemort fires away. Was it like this in the book? I can't remember because I didn't read it a second time.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Maybe the connection between them made by the scar (and the Horcrux) allowed Voldemort to see that it was really Harry and not an impostor[/sp]
Just saw it. Good fucking movie, kept me entertained. Kind of sad that it is ending though, i'm not even a real big HP fan or anything like that. But I remember when the first book came out and I was in the fifth grade (it could very well have been the fourth grade actually) and now the franchise is over. Feels a bit odd.
B-roll footage. Shows how the filmed a lot of scenes, and there's some that didn't make the final movie. Spoilers of course: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfjqVGW7WEk[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hjkWyeclPE&feature=related[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltqm7nZruH0&feature=related[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77BGckFsUAw&feature=related[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVi1mTyoB1g&feature=related[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJuNUJy6Iu4&feature=related[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxfRZqhU3v8&feature=related[/media]
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