Automotive Addicts Lounge V2- Why we are all broke:
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[QUOTE=cNova;48038706]I love cars just as much as everyone else here, but buying a 21 year old rust bucket as a daily driver doesnt really make sense.[/QUOTE]
My 1990 Civic has more rust under the dash on the bare metal dash supports than anywhere under the chassis short of the front core support area that is bottomed out from idiots parking on top of curbs.
I have no idea what you're even talking about, really. Provided you don't live in a shitty salt, arctic winter land there's no reason your car should even be rusty.
The worst part about having an old high mile daily is the endless amount of maintenance which will most certainly need to be addressed but that's no different from a decent high mile 5 year old car either except everything is cheaper and easy to work on yourself often. The lack of A/C in older cars also sucks.
I'm pretty sure many australians have never actually seen snow, I highly doubt they even know what rust is.
[QUOTE=slayer3032;48039447]My 1990 Civic has more rust under the dash on the bare metal dash supports than anywhere under the chassis short of the front core support area that is bottomed out from idiots parking on top of curbs.
I have no idea what you're even talking about, really. Provided you don't live in a shitty salt, arctic winter land there's no reason your car should even be rusty.
The worst part about having an old high mile daily is the endless amount of maintenance which will most certainly need to be addressed but that's no different from a decent high mile 5 year old car either except everything is cheaper and easy to work on yourself often. The lack of A/C in older cars also sucks.
I'm pretty sure many australians have never actually seen snow, I highly doubt they even know what rust is.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure about Germany, but Denmark and Germany are neighbouring countries, so I assume they have the same climate and conditions as here.
Rust is a massive issue, like, huge issue in Denmark. We have such a big contrast between summer and winter it's kind of crazy actually. In the winters, it's below freezing point 24/7, the sun comes up at like 9 am and goes down at around 4 or 5 pm. Last summer we had between 25 and 30 degrees celcius through the day, and the sun comes up at like 3:30 am and goes down at 10:30 pm, but it's never completely dark in the nights here at summer. I love Danish summer, but the winter KILLS everything you love and care about.
We salt all the time, as soon as the road surface gets below freezing point. My Civic was actually imported from Germany and had never ever driven at winter before I got it, now it has driven 2 winters, and its rear fender is bubbling all over the place and it absolutely kills me.
Rust is such a huge issue, and it forces you to have a summer and a winter car if you want something nice that you don't want to cut up and repaint every year or two.
Let me show you a example:
This car is a Mercedes Benz A Class (Build between 1997 - 2004)
[t]http://i.imgur.com/BrsEVLw.jpg[/t]
[t]http://i.imgur.com/42nvqiS.jpg[/t]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/UDZ0rJH.jpg[/img]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/sacggcg.jpg[/IMG]
Heres another POS:
This car is a Opel/Vauxhall Corsa B(Build between 1993 - 2000)
[t]http://i.imgur.com/KGoCtub.jpg[/t]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/7SifldT.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/usOENGZ.jpg[/img]
This is a Renault Twingo (Build between 1993 - 2007)
[img]http://i.imgur.com/00eQLGJ.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/8VOW44Y.jpg[/img]
Now this is what im afraid of.These cars arent old, they may look good from the outside, but they are definitly POS Rust buckets.
Also i never said i dont like old cars, infact i like them, i.e who wouldnt want to own a RB or 2jz
[QUOTE=slayer3032;48039447]My 1990 Civic has more rust under the dash on the bare metal dash supports than anywhere under the chassis short of the front core support area that is bottomed out from idiots parking on top of curbs.
I have no idea what you're even talking about, really. Provided you don't live in a shitty salt, arctic winter land there's no reason your car should even be rusty.
The worst part about having an old high mile daily is the endless amount of maintenance which will most certainly need to be addressed but that's no different from a decent high mile 5 year old car either except everything is cheaper and easy to work on yourself often. The lack of A/C in older cars also sucks.
I'm pretty sure many australians have never actually seen snow, I highly doubt they even know what rust is.[/QUOTE]
Surely you're exaggerating?
I find that absolutely insane that it can even be legal to for the government to put down enough salt on the roads that a brand new car could be damaged beyond repair simply for driving on it for 10 years lol.
My Civic lived in Idaho for the first 15 years of it's life, going through all the winters and even being specificly used as a truck/winter beater by the previous owner. There's some minor rust about in places that have been damaged and there has to be some minor rust under the rust straps in the wheel wells as per standard Honda.
It definitely wasn't taken care of that great and there's actually a hilarious amount of underbody dents and scrapes due to the P.O treating it like a winter beater truck. I'm pretty sure it's been plowed into a snow bank or something a couple times because there's some very very slight body panel shifting that couldn't have been caused by a actual physically solid accident. Look at the dents in the gas tank even...
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It appears to have been undercoated at some point very very long ago and not very thickly as nothing has that terrible overused undercoat dry goop that makes a huge mess of suspension parts and bolts. I've found a couple seized bolts in places like the rear hubs/drums that have never been touched but I've never even broke out the PB Blaster on it before.
I don't think I could be a car enthusiast and live in a place like that, I far too much enjoy driving in the winter rain and the cold. Water leaks are terrible though. I really don't understand the rust thing, it just baffles me really.
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[QUOTE=FlandersNed;48039659]Surely you're exaggerating?[/QUOTE]
Slightly but really more in drastic comparison to people who live in areas where snow exists for a solid winter like some places in the US and Europe. I don't imagine Australia having vast areas similar to Northern Europe or Canada I know there's plenty of areas that have snow but there's far more in North America and many Americans have never seen snow.
[QUOTE=slayer3032;48039735]
I don't think I could be a car enthusiast and live in a place like that, I far too much enjoy driving in the winter rain and the cold. Water leaks are terrible though. I really don't understand the rust thing, it just baffles me really.
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Same goes for me :P i dont understand how you guys buy old cars
[QUOTE=cNova;48039774]Same goes for me :P i dont understand how you guys buy old cars[/QUOTE]
My fellow European, I agree with you there on old cars. It's just how we view it, most likely due to harsh MOTs and other tests that they just won't pass.
[QUOTE=FlandersNed;48039659]Surely you're exaggerating?[/QUOTE]
rust really isn't that huge an issue with cars in australia unless they're left out in the rain a lot, even then, rain isn't very frequent even through winter months (At least on the west coast where I live)
there's a bit of rusting on my car, but it's no where near 'rust bucket' levels like cNova posted
will post detailed pics shortly to clarify
We dont salt the roads here in the PNW where me and slayer live, so cars hardly rust. I've seen one car up close from the east coast, new york actually, and the rust was horrific. I think it was barely 10 years old too.
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[QUOTE=Consciousness;48039874]rust really isn't that huge an issue with cars in australia unless they're left out in the rain a lot, even then, rain isn't very frequent even through winter months (At least on the west coast where I live)
there's a bit of rusting on my car, but it's no where near 'rust bucket' levels like cNova posted
will post detailed pics shortly to clarify[/QUOTE]
Sounds like here, but we do occasionally get snow during winter.
Wow the old car defence force out in full swing
so upon closer inspection there is a decent amount of surface rust on the exhaust pipe (not rusted through or anything) and a little bit under the hood in the crevices, but nothing significantly worrying from what I can tell but i'll leave that up to you guys to scrutinize; will upload the grimiest looking pics in a moment as well as a nice 'overall' photo to contrast just sorting some things out really quickly
Namely my Internet connection is fucking up pretty bad right now I'm posting from my phone data network currently
So prior to pics what I'll say is the rusty areas look pretty much like and feel likes there's no real corrosion to the metal, just surface layer, compared to those pics posted earlier which rusting has chewed through the structure of the metal
Got my MR2 fully inspected by a repair shop. The transmission mounts were broken at some point and were [I]welded back together[/I]. Who does that? They also replaced the MAF, and I'm replacing the clutch and flywheel. I wonder what the hell else they will find. I told em to crack the transmission and check it out, because some of the synchros are bad and some gears grind. Best to get everything replaced now so I don't have to worry about it for a long time.
I found this interesting car as I went for a walk.
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It's a 1988 Toyota Supra 3.0 GT Turbo A. According to the internet only 500 of these were ever made.
It's got rego (don't know from when) but has no numberplates. Wish I could get something like this now but I have no money to buy it, and it's also a manual (after I get auto Red P's I can only drive auto for a year until I get Green P's.)
I'm also not sure if this is trespassing, it was at the bottom of a driveway that's on a hill and I wanted to take a closer look.
[QUOTE=PyroCF;48039792]My fellow European, I agree with you there on old cars. It's just how we view it, most likely due to harsh MOTs and other tests that they just won't pass.[/QUOTE]
I've always been confused on why people have problems with inspections. While emissions testing is total bullshit and entirely unneeded on passenger vehicles. I generally replace parts of my car that are worn out and broken and the parts of it which I don't and or put off is because I personally know that they aren't critical to the function and or imminent safety of the car/passengers. Which I doubt the idiots who do inspections could even tell broken trailing arm bushings without taking the suspension apart. Busted ball joints, axle boots and bad bushings are generally something you replace otherwise your car will come apart and smash into the ground.
I almost feel like most people are even more inclined to avoid maintenance when they are legally obligated instead of personally obligated on their own safety....
25 years really is just getting old, my shitboxes are generally in nicer shape than many 10 year old cars and 5 year old cars even. When people at least attempt to take care of something it should last you a good long while. Proper undercoating and rust treatments on a brand new car would probably delay rust by 5-10 years provided you bother to wash out the wheel wells every so often. Europe isn't the only country to deal with rust, Canada and the upper east coast is all pretty terrible while the latter is usually just as bad Canadians seem to fare better as it's expected of them.
Water leaks really really suck though but these Hondas often leaked from the damn factory even so it's not specificly the age.
[QUOTE=Consciousness;48039960]so upon closer inspection there is a decent amount of surface rust on the exhaust pipe (not rusted through or anything) and a little bit under the hood in the crevices, but nothing significantly worrying from what I can tell but i'll leave that up to you guys to scrutinize; will upload the grimiest looking pics in a moment as well as a nice 'overall' photo to contrast just sorting some things out really quickly
Namely my Internet connection is fucking up pretty bad right now I'm posting from my phone data network currently
So prior to pics what I'll say is the rusty areas look pretty much like and feel likes there's no real corrosion to the metal, just surface layer, compared to those pics posted earlier which rusting has chewed through the structure of the metal[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure cars don't "rust" down there as you guys don't get snow for multiple months of the year solid and if you live in an area where they do you may have to slightly worry about it. If you're not seeing body panels rusted through and rust bubbles/holes all about, don't even worry about it.
Can someone tell me if this is the EGR?
[t]http://i.imgur.com/DYUpcJP.jpg[/t]
[t]http://i.imgur.com/BWepWUt.jpg[/t]
Also why is it so oily
[QUOTE=FlandersNed;48040497]I found this interesting car as I went for a walk.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/BL7Rrvj.jpg[/t]
It's a 1988 Toyota Supra 3.0 GT Turbo A. According to the internet only 500 of these were ever made.
It's got rego (don't know from when) but has no numberplates. Wish I could get something like this now but I have no money to buy it, and it's also a manual (after I get auto Red P's I can only drive auto for a year until I get Green P's.)
I'm also not sure if this is trespassing, it was at the bottom of a driveway that's on a hill and I wanted to take a closer look.[/QUOTE]
Wikipedia says it has a 7M in it, I'd bet money on that it has a blown headgasket and is sitting because of that and or a similar problem resulting of it.
[QUOTE=cNova;48040540]Can someone tell me if this is the EGR?
[t]http://i.imgur.com/DYUpcJP.jpg[/t]
Also why is it so oily[/QUOTE]
Is the first picture bolted into the exhaust manifold? If yes then, possibly. Pretty hard to identify without a wider picture and knowing what car and engine you have.
The oil is probably from a valve cover leak or some other sort of leak, leaks will slowly create that messy oily texture all over.
Above the 2nd picture there is the Throttle body
The object in the first picture is bolted onto the exhaust manifold. The engine is a 1.4 VW type AKQ. Not the best engine but it does its job
[QUOTE=slayer3032;48040556]Wikipedia says it has a 7M in it, I'd bet money on that it has a blown headgasket and is sitting because of that and or a similar problem resulting of it.
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Sorry, I like cars but I don't know much about them. How does the 7M make it more likely that the headgasket has blown, and what other issues arise from that?
Also, I'm trying to figure out the kw on this car. Wikipedia says that the engine makes 199kw but the engine + turbo combo that came with the Turbo A produces 433kw?
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[QUOTE=cNova;48039583]Let me show you a example:
This car is a Mercedes Benz A Class (Build between 1997 - 2004)
Heres another POS:
This car is a Opel/Vauxhall Corsa B(Build between 1993 - 2000)
This is a Renault Twingo (Build between 1993 - 2007)
Now this is what im afraid of.These cars arent old, they may look good from the outside, but they are definitly POS Rust buckets.
Also i never said i dont like old cars, infact i like them, i.e who wouldnt want to own a RB or 2jz[/QUOTE]
of course you can find absolute shitbuckets, but you can also find good ones. my first car was a 1988 E30, that I paid 600 euro for. absolutely no rust.
[QUOTE=cNova;48038706]I love cars just as much as everyone else here, but buying a 21 year old rust bucket as a daily driver doesnt really make sense.[/QUOTE]
My car turns 30 on August 5th, it's rust free everywhere. Long live the sonderklasse
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[QUOTE=cNova;48040540]Can someone tell me if this is the egr?
Also why is it so oily[/QUOTE]
Yes, and because of the crankcase vent system most likely.
The nice thing about Florida is that you have to drive 600 miles to go to a place where they salt the roads at all, and another 200+ to get to one where they seriously salt them.
Cars don't get (serious) rust here unless the owner is on the beach every day.
[QUOTE=cNova;48040578]Above the 2nd picture there is the Throttle body
The object in the first picture is bolted onto the exhaust manifold. The engine is a 1.4 VW type AKQ. Not the best engine but it does its job[/QUOTE]
If it has a vacuum line going to the intake and is bolted tocthe exhaust manifold then its the egr.
Also sally is right, we daily drive a 41 and 47 year old car. Both of which have virtually 0 rust because they were actually taken care of. Both also have the original engine and start in one turn of the key. They were well made american vehicles. Thats why I like old cars. They last. They also had serious undercoating to keep rust down. Im sorry that cars sold in rust belts dont take similar preventive measures.
Sd paves the streets with salt :(
It's still not as bad as mn though, I think they put some sort of nasty chemical shit in with the salt.
It's all a conspiracy to ruin old cars and make people buy new ones.
[QUOTE=Slithers;48037300]If I was a teen in the 70s, I would have so bought a Mercedes 280SL or a Porsche 911. Those two went for peanuts back then.
[t]http://i.ytimg.com/vi/OjeGpYDRlKE/maxresdefault.jpg[/t]
[t]http://blog.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads//2012/09/1974Porsche911S_01_700.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
What did something like that cost in the 70s?
I think once I patchh the rust hole in my floor I'm gonna get my car up on a lift and slather the undercarriage with POR chassis black.
[QUOTE=Gulen;48041398]What did something like that cost in the 70s?[/QUOTE]
more than what slithers thinks
My next car confirmed:
[url]http://www.alfaromeopress.com/press/article/117019[/url]
[t]http://www.fiatpress.com/download/2015/ALFA-ROMEO/Gallery/Giulia/150624_Alfa_Romeo_Giulia_HP1.jpg[/t][t]http://www.fiatpress.com/download/2015/ALFA-ROMEO/Gallery/Giulia/150624_Alfa_Romeo_Giulia_HP2.jpg[/t][t]http://www.fiatpress.com/download/2015/ALFA-ROMEO/Gallery/Giulia/150624_Alfa_Romeo_Giulia_HP3.jpg[/t]
A BMW with an Alfa grill?
[QUOTE=PyroCF;48041743]My next car confirmed:
[url]http://www.alfaromeopress.com/press/article/117019[/url]
[t]http://www.fiatpress.com/download/2015/ALFA-ROMEO/Gallery/Giulia/150624_Alfa_Romeo_Giulia_HP1.jpg[/t][t]http://www.fiatpress.com/download/2015/ALFA-ROMEO/Gallery/Giulia/150624_Alfa_Romeo_Giulia_HP2.jpg[/t][t]http://www.fiatpress.com/download/2015/ALFA-ROMEO/Gallery/Giulia/150624_Alfa_Romeo_Giulia_HP3.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
[quote]sophisticated suspensions (the front is an Alfa Romeo exclusive)[/quote]
Being italian, this can mean anything, but will be interesting to see what exactly it is and how it's exclusive
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But it is very sexy, I like it
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