[QUOTE=Lamar;28532544]thats unfortunate, but consensual sexual intercourse and sexual abuse are two completely different things.[/QUOTE]
Except they aren't when the person isn't mature enough to understand the gravity of the situation.
Honestly, you've won over nobody. You come off sound like an ass trying argue a case no one wants to hear. Call it a day, bro.
[QUOTE=Lamar;28532544]thats unfortunate, but consensual sexual intercourse and sexual abuse are two completely different things. I'm sure many women take their own lives because they were raped, that doesn't necessarily mean sex is wrong.[/QUOTE]
yeah except i'm not fucking saying sex is wrong, i'm saying when you are 12 13 your brain is like mush, easily transformable into anything and people do exploit that when it comes to sexual abuse.
the idea of consent is the idea that the child actively wants this, but in almost every single case that has never been so and they were coerced or even threatened
[QUOTE=Lamar;28531815]I still haven't read any sound reason against lowering the agent of consent. I'm getting blunt puritanical and prudish comments. Again why shouldn't it be lowered?
EDIT: poster above is an exception, ninja'd[/QUOTE]
It works fine as it is. Likewise it protects minors to a certain extent from people that might abuse them. Those middle aged men you mention in Spain are in fact most likely getting those thirteen year olds into their laps with methods that just wouldn't work on people somewhat more mature.
While I do agree that the laws should not be severe if the couple has only a small age discrepancy (1-2 years) the limitation for the age of consent should still stay.
In most European countries the age of consent is 15 unless I'm mistaken and that age is also tied with a limited legal responsibility. Prior to that age the minor has none essentially. With full legal responsibility being obtained at 18.
In effect the average 13 year old cannot make the same qualitative decisions as a 15 year old and the law protects them as such. Their consent is not legal as they cannot give any consent.
Likewise I agree that legally both minors should be treated in the same way and not like happens in a number of countries were the male is always treated as the offender even if he is younger than the female. Most of the time this exists in common law countries and is pretty old legal code imho.
As to your modern laws being removed with coming economical collapse. I think if that were to happen you can expect laws that you depend on a whole giant fucking lot to disappear as well. In effect hope that said economical collapse and anarchy do not happen.
Allright OP we get it.
You want to pork young girls without being afraid of the law smiting you with justice.
When did it become 'creepy' to have sex with teenagers?
Havent people been getting married to girls under 16 since like, the beginning of marriage?
I'm not saying it's right, I'm just wondering what made people realize it was strange?
if you're older than 15 and you still wanna get it on with a 14 year old then you have issues.
yes lets have even more teenage pregnancies
great idea
I'm stupid to understand age of consent laws -- what is wrong with a 14 year-old having sex with a 14, 15, or 16 year-old? I have yet to see a real argument on this subject; it's all just emotionally-appealing hogwash.
[QUOTE=thisispain;28532608] but in almost every single case that has never been so and they were coerced or even threatened[/QUOTE]
Thats a pretty heavy claim, do you have anything to back this up?
[QUOTE=Lamar;28532424]So you refuse to even explore his arguments or insight? Way to reveal your close-mindedness and prudishness.[/QUOTE]
Please tell me I'm misunderstanding this post. Please tell me you're not trying to justify child porn.
[QUOTE=Lamar;28532717]Thats a pretty heavy claim, do you have anything to back this up?[/QUOTE]
You have still never adressed the issue of the difference in experience and maturity. Ignoring it because it's something you can't refute, eh? If the fallacy against you was ad hominem, you're utilizing the red herring fallacy. So goddamn well answer us if you have any credibility at all.
[QUOTE=archangel125;28532753]You have still never adressed the issue of the difference in experience and maturity. Ignoring it because it's something you can't refute, eh? If the fallacy against you was ad hominem, you're utilizing the red herring fallacy. So goddamn well answer us if you have any credibility at all.[/QUOTE]
relax please,
Whats the justification that those traits are required for sexual intercourse?And how much of those traits are needed?
[QUOTE=Lamar;28532544]thats unfortunate, but consensual sexual intercourse and sexual abuse are two completely different things. I'm sure many women take their own lives because they were raped, that doesn't necessarily mean sex is wrong.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't take much to get a child to consent to what an adult tells them is okay.
[QUOTE=Lamar;28532717]Thats a pretty heavy claim, do you have anything to back this up?[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure if you're a pedophile, about to become one and want some sort of justification for doing so, or are in some sort of pickle with highschool jailbait.
[QUOTE=BigOwl;28532818]I'm not sure if you're a pedophile, about to become one and want some sort of justification for doing so, or are in some sort of pickle with highschool jailbait.[/QUOTE]
D) All of the above.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;28532807]It doesn't take much to get a child to consent to what an adult tells them is okay.[/QUOTE]
Children just need to be more informed and they are with the advent of increased sexual education in public schools. Why are we imposing these puritanical values on children?
OP is a horny 13 year old.
[QUOTE=Joyful Mystery;28532854]OP is a horny 13 year old.[/QUOTE]
OP is a horny pedofile who wants to get some 13 year old poontang.
[QUOTE=Lamar;28532842]Children just need to be more informed and they are with the advent of increased sexual education in public schools. Why are we imposing these puritanical values on children?[/QUOTE]
If that's the case, why not lower the age to buy tobacco and alcohol then?
Honestly, are you really such a sick fuck or just trying real hard to be one?
[QUOTE=Joyful Mystery;28532854]OP is a horny 13 year old.[/QUOTE]
I joined facepunch when I was 7? dayum
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;28532871]If that's the case, why not lower the age to buy tobacco and alcohol then?
Honestly, are you really such a sick fuck or just trying real hard to be one?[/QUOTE]
They are lowered in more progressive countries..
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;28532871]If that's the case, why not lower the age to buy tobacco and alcohol then?
Honestly, are you really such a sick fuck or just trying real hard to be one?[/QUOTE]
Comparing sex to drugs. GG.
Lamar can you tell me what made you want to make this thread?
[QUOTE=Sanius;28532708]I'm stupid to understand age of consent laws -- what is wrong with a 14 year-old having sex with a 14, 15, or 16 year-old? I have yet to see a real argument on this subject; it's all just emotionally-appealing hogwash.[/QUOTE]
Almost in every modern country underage kids can have sex with each other as long as they're about the same age. The op is arguing, age of consent should be lowered so ADULTS can have sex with CHILDREN.
[QUOTE=Sanius;28532891]Comparing sex to drugs. GG.[/QUOTE]
Sex is like a drug, maaaaan
[QUOTE=Lamar;28532876]
They are lowered in more progressive countries..[/QUOTE]
Alright, give us your definition of 'more progressive countries' then. I'd love to know what countries you consider to be more progressive in the sense that they let you fuck children.
[QUOTE=aydin690;28532896]The op is arguing, age of consent should be lowered so ADULTS can have sex with CHILDREN.[/QUOTE]
The OP is an idiot, then.
[QUOTE=Lamar;28532800]relax please,
Whats the justification that those traits are required for sexual intercourse?And how much of those traits are needed?[/QUOTE]
Circular argument fallacy. My question did not beg another. Answer it.
[QUOTE=BigOwl;28532892]Lamar can you tell me what made you want to make this thread?[/QUOTE]
Tired of the prudish and puritanical nature of the US. I'm not even a pedo like everyone is suggesting, I'm just tired of this old-fashioned thinking in every facet of American life. I started with this.
Hey everyone, Lamar is a troll. Anyone think of that?
[QUOTE=Lamar;28532930]Tired of the prudish and puritanical nature in the US. I'm not even a pedo like everyone is suggesting, I'm just tired of this old-fashioned thinking in every facet of American life. I started with this.[/QUOTE]
I'm okay with you avoiding other questions like a champ, but at least answer me this, straight up:
What age do you think the AoC SHOULD be lowered to?
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