• The Tragedy of Multiculturalism
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[QUOTE=nekon;51147518]I specified person, please don't try to sound smart when obviously you aren't. Does you mind go blank every seven years? I mean that would explain your intellect.[/QUOTE] I dunno, you tell me? I think you've gone through it at least once, maybe even twice!
[QUOTE=BioWaster;51147273]You aren't allowed to use that term here, partner. But Globalism isn't about diluting ONE culture, it does the whole shebang. You're implying that we'll take some of theirs and they'll take some of ours. I don't really want anything from Sharia. Why can't you just dilute the cultural aspects that would cause the specific cultures to not care what the other cultures do (Unless they break human rights, freedoms, etc) Instead of just mixing into one big vat of the same? Also why do you think this will be done peacefully? Sorry, but I prefer Western values, I was raised on them. I've seen some other cultures with some pretty neat stuff, but it'd be wise to not ignore the bad parts too. We're still working on our culture too, don't get me wrong, we can still improve.[/QUOTE] I think that the culture with the largest force (western culture) would probably win out when thrown into a vat of other cultures. It'd be nice if we can all learn from each other, but usually that's not how it works and I acknowledge that. I think it'll be done peacefully because that's the way it should be done, the only way it can be done, and the way that it has been done. Pointing a gun to someone's head and telling them to abandon their values doesn't work. If you want these people and their culture's to evolve into your own then the only way that's going to work is through proximity and familiarity. Culture shock is a thing because typically people don't spend their lives in close contact with societies other than their own, but if they already have prior knowledge or experience then the effects of culture shock are subdued. For example, lets say there's 2 dudes from the middle east. One of those dudes moves to the US, one stays in his home country. The dude who moves to the US and his thrown into the deep-end of american culture. The dude who lives in the US is more likely to adopt an american culture when subtly persuaded by his environment. The guy in the middle east is not at all likely to adopt a western culture if he isn't not in a western environment. The guy in the middle east will especially not adopt a western culture if western soldiers blew up his neighbor a few years back. I know you prefer western values, I think pretty much all of us do, but don't be complaining about how foreign values are so different from yours and then don't even allow foreigners to learn the values you love so dearly.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51147532]I know you are but what am I???[/QUOTE] Well played [QUOTE=KillRay;51147530]I hope all white people die out[/QUOTE] If you are white, why don't you go first? Otherwise, that's pretty racist man.
[QUOTE=nekon;51147467]the different species wouldn't exist if come hadn't migrated out of Africa. [/QUOTE] are you saying what i think you are saying because damn son also i really hope you're just a gimmick because if you're not you're in for a real shock when you enter the real world
[QUOTE=Mining Bill;51147560]are you saying what i think you are saying because damn son also i really hope you're just a gimmick because if you're not you're in for a real shock when you enter the real world[/QUOTE] I'm saying I like the majority of scientists believe in the Out of Africa theory. Are you saying this is wrong? What evidence do you have?
[QUOTE=nekon;51147518]I specified person, please don't try to sound smart when obviously you aren't. [B]Does you mind[/B] [B]go blank[/B] every seven years? I mean [B]that would explain your intellect.[/B][/QUOTE] good. [editline]3rd October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=nekon;51147568]I'm saying I like the majority of scientists believe in the Out of Africa theory. Are you saying this is wrong? What evidence do you have?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]the different [B]species[/B] wouldn't exist if come hadn't migrated out of Africa.[/QUOTE] is that easier
[QUOTE=cdr248;51147537]I think that the culture with the largest force (western culture) would probably win out when thrown into a vat of other cultures. It'd be nice if we can all learn from each other, but usually that's not how it works and I acknowledge that. I think it'll be done peacefully because that's the way it should be done, the only way it can be done, and the way that it has been done. Pointing a gun to someone's head and telling them to abandon their values doesn't work. If you want these people and their culture's to evolve into your own then the only way that's going to work is through proximity and familiarity. Culture shock is a thing because typically people don't spend their lives in close contact with societies other than their own, but if they already have prior knowledge or experience then the effects of culture shock are subdued. For example, lets say there's 2 dudes from the middle east. One of those dudes moves to the US, one stays in his home country. The dude who moves to the US and his thrown into the deep-end of american culture. The dude who lives in the US is more likely to adopt an american culture when subtly persuaded by his environment. The guy in the middle east is not at all likely to adopt a western culture if he isn't not in a western environment. The guy in the middle east will especially not adopt a western culture if western soldiers blew up his neighbor a few years back. I know you prefer western values, I think pretty much all of us do, but don't be complaining about how foreign values are so different from yours and then don't even allow foreigners to learn the values you love so dearly.[/QUOTE] See that's the problem here. I've been branded this alt-right whatever of FP somehow. I just have different opinions on things and I'm brutally honest. Some people don't like how I say things. I just want to make sure that the cultures, religions, political ideologies, etc. that are harmful to our way of life (no matter your skin colour) aren't normalised or accepted. Also you're super optimistic, cuz I see a lot of violence in the near future.
[QUOTE=Mining Bill;51147569]good.[/QUOTE] "You misspelled a word thus making all your arguments invalid." Well played tbqh [B]OH[/B] I meant breeds of course, fuck it's late soz
[QUOTE=nekon;51147579]"You misspelled a word thus making all your arguments invalid." Well played tbqh [B]OH[/B] I meant breeds of course, fuck it's late soz[/QUOTE] I'm no grammar nazi (lol) but when you're calling someone an idiot and can't even grammer properly than it make you look an idiot tbqh
Culture is fluid, it changes over time as people come and go from it. Attempting to freeze your culture in place is counter to what culture is.
[QUOTE=IrishBandit;51147598]Culture is fluid, it changes over time as people come and go from it. Attempting to freeze your culture in place is counter to what culture is.[/QUOTE] Who said anything about freezing our culture? I just don't want to accept the BAD stuff. I guess I'm just intolerant or close minded.
[QUOTE=greasemunky;51147308]Why are we feeding the troll?[/QUOTE] the Neo Nazi/Alt right loons are honestly fucking hard to tell apart from trolls given how bat shit their views are and how some of them genuinely believe it.
[QUOTE=BioWaster;51147578]See that's the problem here. I've been branded this alt-right whatever of FP somehow. I just have different opinions on things and I'm brutally honest. Some people don't like how I say things. I just want to make sure that the cultures, religions, political ideologies, etc. that are harmful to our way of life (no matter your skin colour) aren't normalised or accepted. Also you're super optimistic, cuz I see a lot of violence in the near future.[/QUOTE] I don't think anyone wants to see that type of shit but that doesn't justify segregation. Also keep in mind that the process I described would take decades of voluntary effort. It's peaceful because it's purposefully slow, it's meant to be unconscious. Ethnic/racial/culturally motivated violence is usually the result of fault on another party. No one wants to get into a fight unless you give them reason to. Forcing cultural change or marginalizing/insulting a group will cause them to respond violently, which is why I think that as a people we should at least not be dicks about not liking a culture. If we show we're willing to accept people then those people will be far more likely to accept us as well. [editline]3rd October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=BioWaster;51147610]Who said anything about freezing our culture? I just don't want to accept the BAD stuff. I guess I'm just intolerant or close minded.[/QUOTE] That won't happen though. That's like someone saying the civil rights movement should be shut down because the black panthers are violent. The majority of people are reasonable, they won't support something that goes against their beliefs, don't assume otherwise.
Collaboration is what makes our species special. Now I agree there are certain groups from certain cultures that don't mix very well, but I mean every culture has something to give and learn from another.
[QUOTE=EdvardSchnitz;51147093]We can get into a debate about what constitutes something as communist or not (spoiler: the ussr wasnt).[/QUOTE] The classic line from your armchair commie kid.
[QUOTE=Vasili;51147690]The classic line from your armchair commie kid.[/QUOTE] alright how about as an avowed "not commie" I tell you by definition it wasn't it doesn't take someone being on the side of communism to know that it wasn't actually a communist state it was just a dictatorship that called itself something else
[QUOTE=Vasili;51147690]The classic line from your armchair commie kid.[/QUOTE] Even USSR leaders going as far back as lenin admitted it wasn't. He pretty much acknowledged that they hardly even made an effort to support socialist principles, and even actively fought against them at times (e.g. violently suppressing people who actually did try to run their communities democratically.)
[QUOTE=Vasili;51147690]The classic line from your armchair commie kid.[/QUOTE] The USSR wasn't communist. Communism calls for a stateless, classless and currencyless society where the need of society is valued more than the profit of an individual and the workers own the means of production. The USSR, was state capitalist as in the state owned the means of production and accumilated capital. there were classes, state owned corporations, and etc. It hardly constitutes as socialist and is definitely not communist and the only good thing to come from it was neat aesthetics. But if you wish to discuss the matter furthermore, I am willing to take it to PM or my profile messages. Because this thread isn't about communism. its about how the jews are killing the white ppl..(i think?) edit: [QUOTE=thelurker1234;51147749]Even USSR leaders going as far back as lenin admitted it wasn't. He pretty much acknowledged that they hardly even made an effort to support socialist principles, and even actively fought against them at times (e.g. violently suppressing people who actually did try to run their communities democratically.)[/QUOTE] This too. The USSR fucked over a lot of socialist communes, unions and etc out of their own interest.
[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;51147612]the Neo Nazi/Alt right loons are honestly fucking hard to tell apart from trolls given how bat shit their views are and how some of them genuinely believe it.[/QUOTE] Yea but don't the real neo nazis stay in their echo chambers?
If this is what western culture is then I hope it dies out
[QUOTE=EdvardSchnitz;51147093]Race has no meaning in current world. Outside of the social constructs created by an imperialist society. You are "SJWs" of the right and Your useless identity politics should be laughed off this forum like the others of your kind, left and right. You advocate the deportation of innocent people over skin color. Think how dense you are. "communism killed more than hitler" We can get into a debate about what constitutes something as communist or not (spoiler: the ussr wasnt) But we are talking you and your fascist ideology. Hitler killed millions based on race and ethnicity, and made murder an industry. Saying "da commies killed more!!1" doesnt help your argument. You still support genocidal policies and neofascist views.[/QUOTE] Communism has never been tried! Every Communist who makes Communism look bad, like Stalin, weren't true Communists! My personal version of Communism is perfect and will definitely work.
[QUOTE=EdvardSchnitz;51147761]its about how the jews are killing the white ppl..(i think?) [/QUOTE] my mother actually believes this it's ridiculous
[QUOTE=Jack32;51147792]Communism has never been tried! Every Communist who makes Communism look bad, like Stalin, weren't true Communists! My personal version of Communism is perfect and will definitely work.[/QUOTE] I should probably stop posting too since it's inappropriate for this thread but you do realize this applies exactly to capitalism as well? Capitalism and socialism are both very broad fields of thought with many viewpoints which differ from each-other greatly. Capitalism keeps failing and being changed all of the time. Socialists generally see it the same way. It's not a Utopian ideology.
What even is apporpriate for this thread even?
[QUOTE=kilerabv;51147873]What even is apporpriate for this thread even?[/QUOTE] Gulags ofc
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