The Unites States of America and How it is Not The Name of Our Country.
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Declaration of Independence, right at the top, it says
[quote]IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America[/quote]
The word THE is used as a function word to indicate that the following noun or noun equivalent is definite, It doesn't say THESE or OUR, it says THE
Your teacher is an idiot
[QUOTE=Wolf_Marine;16845833]Your teacher is an idiot.
We're in [u]America,[/u] and we are a ton of separate [u]states[/u] all [u]united[/u] under one federal government. We are the [u]United[/u] [u]States[/u] of [u]America[/u].
Now go and tell that to the teacher and come tell us what he says after that.[/QUOTE]
Alright. Mexico is "The United States of America." The Netherlands are "The United States of Europe". Germany is "The United States of Europe."
All of the above countries consist of states united under one government.
Idiot.
Technically, the name of our country depends on which state you live in. The United States of America was never supposed to be a country itself in the first place; rather it was the association of all the states to form a more perfect union for the benefit of trade, commerce, and common wealth.
[QUOTE=Jamzz;16854117]*Cough*Northern Ireland*Cough*[/QUOTE]
Ireland is a failed state we should just bomb it and have done.
Your teacher is wrong
I completely see the point, though it is a useless one.
Yes, the name should really have been something more distinguishable, but keep in mind that the founding fathers most likely didn't expect the constitution to hold for this long. I think they probably expected us to have conquered the entirety of America (the continent) by now, and therefore the name they decided on was more of a name for our ARMY than the actual land. At that point we would just stick to America. Canada and Mexico obviously thought otherwise at some point.
So, the land that we occupy is somewhat informally referred to as the United States of America, and we AIN'T RENAMIN' THIS SUCKER UNTIL SOMMAT BIG HAPPENS, 'AIGHT.
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[QUOTE=insane taco;16845108]Or so my World History teacher said. He pretty much explained that "The United States of America" is just a description of our country and not an actual title.
We cant simply name ourselves America because Canada and Mexico are also technically American since we all reside in North [b]America.[/b]
So what my teacher is saying is that we have yet to actually name our country.
Now I kinda understand both ways, really. I asked my mom this and she pretty much called my teacher a retard.
I'd like to hear your input on this. It's been something that's been bugging me all day.[/QUOTE]
That teacher is a bullshitting dumbass my friend.
[QUOTE=Applecrap;16858319]I completely see the point, though it is a useless one.
Yes, the name should really have been something more distinguishable, but keep in mind that the founding fathers most likely didn't expect the constitution to hold for this long. I think they probably expected us to have conquered the entirety of America (the continent) by now, and therefore the name they decided on was more of a name for our ARMY than the actual land. At that point we would just stick to America. Canada and Mexico obviously thought otherwise at some point.
So, the land that we occupy is somewhat informally referred to as the United States of America, and we AIN'T RENAMIN' THIS SUCKER UNTIL SOMMAT BIG HAPPENS, 'AIGHT.
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What the fuck.
That's so off it's not even funny. The conquest of empire was not what the USA was founded on, and the name has a very distinct meaning that has nothing to do with an Army if there was one.
Why don't people pay attention in history?
[QUOTE=TailsPrower;16857937]Technically, the name of our country depends on which state you live in. The United States of America was never supposed to be a country itself in the first place; rather it was the association of all the states to form a more perfect union for the benefit of trade, commerce, and common wealth.[/QUOTE]
It's the USA.
Please don't be so pedantic and pretentious.
TECHNICALLY, the Articles of Confederation, which was passed by the Second Continental Congress, formed the union of the states known as the United States of America - or OUR COUNTRY.
[quote=wikipedia.org]Even though the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution were established by many of the same people, the two documents are very different. The original five-paged Articles contained thirteen articles, a conclusion, and a signatory section. The following list contains short summaries of each of the thirteen articles.
[b]Establishes the name of the confederation as "The United States of America."[/b]
Asserts the equality of the separate states with the confederation government, i.e. "Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated."
Establishes the United States as a new nation, a sovereign union of sovereign states, united ". . . for their common defense, the security of their liberties, and their mutual and general welfare, binding themselves to assist each other, against all force offered to, or attacks made upon them . . . ," while declaring that the union is "perpetual," and can only be altered by approval of Congress with ratification by all the state legislatures.
Establishes freedom of movement–anyone can pass freely between states, excluding "paupers, vagabonds, and fugitives from justice." All people are entitled to the rights established by the state into which he travels. If a crime is committed in one state and the perpetrator flees to another state, he will be extradited to and tried in the state in which the crime was committed.
Allocates one vote in the Congress of the Confederation (United States in Congress Assembled) to each state, which was entitled to a delegation of between two and seven members. Members of Congress were appointed by state legislatures; individuals could not serve more than three out of any six years.
Only the central government is allowed to conduct foreign relations and to declare war. No states may have navies or standing armies, or engage in war, without permission of Congress (although the state militias are encouraged).
When an army is raised for common defense, colonels and military ranks below colonel will be named by the state legislatures.
Expenditures by the United States will be paid by funds raised by state legislatures, and apportioned to the states based on the real property values of each.
Defines the powers of the central government: to declare war, to set weights and measures (including coins), and for Congress to serve as a final court for disputes between states.
Defines a Committee of the States to be a government when Congress is not in session.
Requires nine states to approve the admission of a new state into the confederacy; pre-approves Canada, if it applies for membership.
Reaffirms that the Confederation accepts war debt incurred by Congress before the Articles.
Declares that the Articles are perpetual, and can only be altered by approval of Congress with ratification by all the state legislatures.
Still at war with the Kingdom of Great Britain, the Founding Fathers were divided between those seeking a powerful, centralized national government, and those seeking a loosely-structured one. Jealously guarding their new independence, members of the Continental Congress arrived at a compromise solution dividing sovereignty between the states and the federal government, with a unicameral legislature that protected the liberty of the individual states. While calling on Congress to regulate military and monetary affairs, for example, the Articles of Confederation provided no mechanism to force the states to comply with requests for troops or revenue. At times, this left the military in a precarious position, as George Washington wrote in a 1781 letter to the governor of Massachusetts, John Hancock.[/quote]
It is the name, it's like saying that Great Britain can't be called the United Kingdom except that is what it is referred to everywhere. If you call it the United States of America, then the name is the United States of America, the same convention goes for naming children.
Well since there isn't anything that hasn't been said yet.. I'll just go ahead and say what everyone else has.
Your teacher is an idiot.
[QUOTE=arienh4;16857871]Alright. Mexico is "The United States of America." The Netherlands are "The United States of Europe". Germany is "The United States of Europe."
All of the above countries consist of states united under one government.
Idiot.[/QUOTE]
Guys . . . . .really?
[QUOTE=MR-X;16845232]Your teacher is an idiot.
Your teacher should be fired lol.[/QUOTE]
Stupidity blossoms freely.
Shit, I forget who that quote is from.
[QUOTE=Rickzzz;16855664]No it doesn't, it comes from [B]Amerigo[/B] Vespucci who explored parts of the new land.[/QUOTE]
See my above post.
We're called the United States... :patriot:
I think you should either call it "poopland" or "home of the immigrants"
Yes, that means britain can dump all their immigrants onto america since the statue of liberty is there and even says on it "Bring us your hungry and some other shit"
The United States, which is us, is in America.
In the United States, there are [i]states[/i], there United States is in America, therefore, it is United States [b]of[/b] America.
Your teacher is a spy.:bahgawd:
[QUOTE=ArcNova;16855614]Don't talk shit about Newfoundland bi.[/QUOTE]
Apparently you Newfies can't figure out commas.
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We don't call ourselves "America" (officially). Think about it. We are [i]The United States[/i] of America.
[QUOTE=snuwoods;16859482]It's the USA.
Please don't be so pedantic and pretentious.
TECHNICALLY, the Articles of Confederation, which was passed by the Second Continental Congress, formed the union of the states known as the United States of America - or OUR COUNTRY.[/QUOTE]Wow. I can't believe you.
Read right below what you bolded. The union of these states is called the United States of America. Each state is a separate form of sovereignty and government. Why is this so hard to understand?
[QUOTE=TailsPrower;16863628]Wow. I can't believe you.
Read right below what you bolded. The union of these states is called the United States of America. Each state is a separate form of sovereignty and government. Why is this so hard to understand?[/QUOTE]
But together they are represented by the United States of America.
Grow up and stop looking for ways to claim that you have a hidden insight that most people don't.
[quote=wikipedia][b]Establishes the United States as a new nation[/b], a sovereign union of sovereign states, united ". . . for their common defense, the security of their liberties, and their mutual and general welfare, binding themselves to assist each other, against all force offered to, or attacks made upon them . . . ," while declaring that the union is "perpetual," and can only be altered by approval of Congress with ratification by all the state legislatures.[/quote]
You're right, it's not The Unites States of America. It's The Unite[b]d[/b] States of America.
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America is the world ok
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[QUOTE=ssa gib A;16864066]You're right, it's not The Unites States of America. It's The Unite[b]d[/b] States of America.
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[QUOTE=smurfy;16852402]This is why I always say United States/US and never say USA. In a similar way, I always say I'm British and come from the United Kingdom because I'm a strong British unionist and think that England, Scotland and Wales are totally phony.[/QUOTE]
Whereas I would never say I'm british, I'm english and nothing else.
The USA is more like the CSA (Communist States of America).
[QUOTE=Justin Case;16845458]New Britain.[/QUOTE]
You gave us up when you lost.
OH NOES IT WAS THE FRENCH
Oh wait, I forgot, you lost to both the French, and us. That makes it better.
[QUOTE=lulzbocks;16866511]You gave us up when you lost.
OH NOES IT WAS THE FRENCH
Oh wait, I forgot, you lost to both the French, and us. That makes it better.[/QUOTE]
I don't know what is more humiliating, losing a war where the opposition was aided by the french, or having to be aided by the french.
[QUOTE=insane taco;16845108]Or so my World History teacher said. He pretty much explained that "The United States of America" is just a description of our country and not an actual title.[/QUOTE]
My world history teacher told me to look into more then one source, if you did the same thing you wouldn't be looking so stupid right now.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States[/url]
[quote]The United States of America (commonly referred to as the United States, the U.S., the USA, or America)[/quote]
America is slang, improper
It is our name, but funnily enough it describes something like a conglomeration of city states. Sort of like the ancient greeks.
The name "United States of America" implies that there are a bunch of independent governing bodies that are united. In America.
In other news: ANNEX CANADA GOD DAMMIT.
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