• Don't Disconnect Us (If you live in the UK and still want internet access, get in!)
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[QUOTE=IronPhoenix;18085083]Yes, because the police will take away net connections without checking your pc first. That would be against basic human rights...you know the one of being innocent until proven guilty.[/QUOTE] The police aren't doing it. The pro-copyright lobby is working with ISPs to get them to disconnect people based on infringement notices sent from the pro-copyright lobby themselves. The whole thing completely bypasses the police and courts.
[QUOTE=IronPhoenix;18085083]Yes, because the police will take away net connections without checking your pc first. That would be against basic human rights...you know the one of being innocent until proven guilty.[/QUOTE] The police don't get involved at any stage. It's all done through copyright groups, ISP's and OFCOM.
[QUOTE=Deadollie;18085353]The police don't get involved at any stage. It's all done through copyright groups, ISP's and OFCOM.[/QUOTE] Which means that there has to be an appeal system put in place. The government aren't idiots, only Gordon Brown. They will have discussed this with experts to find out what can be done. If they cannot prove that your household was the perpetrator, then they cannot remove a service from you. And ISP's don't want to lose customers, so they will do everything they can to ensure that the right person is being disconnected.
[QUOTE=The Epidemic;18077188]Don't act all high and mighty Everyone does it Even my computer teacher (who doesn't want to admit it)[/QUOTE] Very true... I had to create a graduation video two years back for one of my preferred teachers... I asked him if he had any video editing software so that I didn't have to use Windows Movie Maker. He said "Don't tell anyone about this" and proceeds to open a drawer of his desk containing at least 6 DVDs of burned applications. [editline]08:28PM[/editline] [QUOTE=smidge146;18082055]I used to download songs, but I now buy off itunes because I have plenty of money :) [editline]07:57PM[/editline] Will peer guardian protect us?!:eng101:[/QUOTE] Nope. I'm guessing that your traffic will run through a server or screening of some kind, if anything, you blocking the server will raise a red flag somewhere.
Don't you guys have trials over there? If it's so easy for your IP to get spoofed then obviously it can't be used as evidence.
The UK doesn't bring anything good to the internet. I will not click these links.
[QUOTE=IronPhoenix;18085427]Which means that there has to be an appeal system put in place. The government aren't idiots, only Gordon Brown. They will have discussed this with experts to find out what can be done. If they cannot prove that your household was the perpetrator, then they cannot remove a service from you. And ISP's don't want to lose customers, so they will do everything they can to ensure that the right person is being disconnected.[/QUOTE] Haha, you're one of those people who still think the government cares more about your rights than what the lobbyists want.
[QUOTE=IronPhoenix;18076981]In my eyes only the paranoid and the guilty would sign something like this.[/QUOTE] In truth, this is the worst type of opinion, and thought possible. [editline]10:15PM[/editline] [QUOTE=IronPhoenix;18085427]Which means that there has to be an appeal system put in place. The government aren't idiots, only Gordon Brown. They will have discussed this with experts to find out what can be done. If they cannot prove that your household was the perpetrator, then they cannot remove a service from you. And ISP's don't want to lose customers, so they will do everything they can to ensure that the right person is being disconnected.[/QUOTE] I wish you were trolling... It's sad to think anyone is this naive.
Signed with my old UK address.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;18091328] I wish you were trolling... It's sad to think anyone is this naive.[/QUOTE] yeah the guverment is a konspiracy, wants to limit ur freedom of speech by destroying internets!!!111oneone!! [editline]07:04AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Tu154M;18079997]You can't just spoof your IP to whatever you like. To appear with a specific person's IP you'll have to route your traffic through their computer like a proxy.[/QUOTE] Yeah, but you can spoof MAC. Isn't it used a bit to track people too?
Glad to know us Australians aren't the only ones being threatened by fucked up internet laws.
[QUOTE=harris5;18075872]Hey, if you didn't want to get pegged for illegal downloading, you wouldn't be on the god damn internet in the first place.[/QUOTE] You just ended and pwned the entire thread. If you don't have anything to hide, what are people worried about?
[QUOTE=evilking1;18092091]yeah the guverment is a konspiracy, wants to limit ur freedom of speech by destroying internets!!!111oneone!! [editline]07:04AM[/editline] Yeah, but you can spoof MAC. Isn't it used a bit to track people too?[/QUOTE] Nah. I don't think the MAC is even sent over WAN. Mac spoofing is useful for getting into WLANs you aren't supposed to get into. When you have an unencrypted network that is restricted to certain computers, the WLAN router always uses the MAC adress to identify computers. Using a network sniffer you can easily find the MAC adress' of the connected computers. Then spoof your network card to have one of those MAC adress' and you're in. [editline]09:52AM[/editline] Uh offtopic, soz.
If David Milliband is involved, this will pass. He's a Bilderberger. Bilderbergers make the rules. We comply.
[QUOTE=IronPhoenix;18085427](...)If they cannot prove that your household was the perpetrator, then they cannot remove a service from you(...)[/QUOTE] This is true. I actually read an article about a man who wore a monkey mask when he was driving so that speeding cameras couldn't identify it was him driving the car, and he got off scott free. God I love loopholes.
[QUOTE=Teh_Medic;18092311]You just ended and pwned the entire thread. If you don't have anything to hide, what are people worried about?[/QUOTE] The fact that innocent people can, and most likely will end up with warning letters in the post. It's happening already, and this system will only make things worse.
So basically anything you download with P2P program might get you screw'd, thank god i don't live in UK yet. I have problems downloading everything if it's not a torrent the cursed fucker allways stops at 50-99% done.
[QUOTE=evilking1;18092091]yeah the guverment is a konspiracy, wants to limit ur freedom of speech by destroying internets!!!111oneone!! [editline]07:04AM[/editline] Yeah, but you can spoof MAC. Isn't it used a bit to track people too?[/QUOTE] Who said shit about conspiracy. He's naive, apparently so are you.
[QUOTE=Angua;18092617]So basically anything you download with P2P program might get you screw'd[/QUOTE] Where it said that? [editline]11:53AM[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;18092698]Who said shit about conspiracy. He's naive, apparently so are you.[/QUOTE] I am not naive, if you are a criminal, you get punishment. Rapists get chemical castration (somewhere, sometimes), DUI:s lose their license, so why not pirates to lose their internet? Oh yeah I forgot this was made to destroy the internet and to hunt down those who are against the government.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;18081728]The three-strikes thing can't be appealed. And if you have a dynamic IP address, it's possible you can be falsely accused. There was a case in the US of a networked laser printer getting DMCA notices.[/QUOTE] "Oh shit they found me. I hope I have enough ink to make myself a ninja costume. :ninja:"
Imma take your interweb. [img]http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2008/10/04/mandelson460x276.jpg[/img] [quote]Oh yeah I forgot this was made to destroy the internet and to hunt down those who are against the government.[/QUOTE] This won't stop anything, it's like making guns illegal. All this means is that people who really want to do something illegal, like distribute child porn and games will use better security or use others IPs so they get the blame.
[QUOTE=Occlusion;18093442] This won't stop anything, it's like making guns illegal. All this means is that people who really want to do something illegal, like distribute child porn and games will use better security or use others IPs so they get the blame.[/QUOTE] No, it's more like if you kill somebody with a gun, after the third time you get your guns taken away. And the owners of other IPs will not get sentenced, there is a thing called "investigation" [editline]12:28PM[/editline] [img]http://dontdisconnectus.citedev.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/5-steps-01.gif[/img] From [url]http://www.dontdisconnect.us/the-proposals/[/url] that is [B]against[/B] the proposal. [quote]Guilt should not be decided nor penalties imposed without sufficient proof that an individual has done something wrong. The fact that a broadband connection has been used for illegal filesharing does not prove that the account holder did anything illegal. To assume that an account holder is guilty simply because his or her connection has been used for illegal filesharing is very dangerous since connections can easily be used by other people without the account holder’s knowledge. The government’s proposed appeals mechanism is simply not sufficient to ensure fair justice. An appeal starts with a presumption of guilt.[/quote] Yeah, it's not like criminals should be traced by license plates or cellphone tracking, since, that's like invading privacy and wrong people would get condemned. [B]Of course it doesn't prove anything that's why the shit is investigated/ you can appeal![/B] [quote]Millions of wireless (Wi-Fi) internet connections in the UK are easily hackable. A recent street survey carried out by TalkTalk showed that over 40%** of connections are unsecured or use a form of security that is easily hackable and so open to Wi-Fi hijacking.[/quote] Oh wow I want to live in that street. Wait does ** mean that it's somehow rounded up?
[QUOTE=evilking1;18093577]No, it's more like if you kill somebody with a gun, after the third time you get your guns taken away. And the owners of other IPs will not get sentenced, there is a thing called "investigation" [editline]12:28PM[/editline] [img]http://dontdisconnectus.citedev.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/5-steps-01.gif[/img] From [url]http://www.dontdisconnect.us/the-proposals/[/url] that is [B]against[/B] the proposal. Yeah, it's not like criminals should be traced by license plates or cellphone tracking, since, that's like invading privacy and wrong people would get condemned. [B]Of course it doesn't prove anything that's why the shit is investigated/ you can appeal![/B] Oh wow I want to live in that street. Wait does ** mean that it's somehow rounded up?[/QUOTE] It still means that people can end up getting falsely accused. And do you know how much it costs to appeal something like that? When you take into account solicitors, travel and all the rest. And from the botton of the page with reference to the ** [quote] **survey of 1,083 Wi-Fi access points in Ealing conducted on 11th October 2009, 41% were unsecured or used WEP security. There is nothing special about Ealing. It was a location chosen at random by TalkTalk to demonstrate the ease with which people can find unsecured Wi-Fi networks. [/quote] And there is something wrong with the fact that its the music industries controlling all this, no? It'd be like if Volvo was deciding who got taken to court for driving offences.
[QUOTE=Deadollie;18093676] And there is something wrong with the fact that its the music industries controlling all this, no? It'd be like if Volvo was deciding who got taken to court for driving offences.[/QUOTE] More like the owner of a road is taking you to court for trespassing. Volvo would be the case if the maker of your PC was trying you. And won't your expenses be covered if you win the case? Not really, if your copyrights are infringed you can take those who download your shit to court. Apart from those big companies nobody does it since it's goddamn expensive and takes a lot of work.
Our government seems to like making laws that are unable to be enforced realistically without massive expenditures and wasting of resources.
The petition is just a way for them to find people who do use BitTorrent for illegal file downloads :V [/joke] Signed anyway. I <3 my bittorrent.
Who cares if the U.K is disconnected, more space for the rest of the world.
Damn it, I want to sign. :frown: [editline]02:26AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Redcow;18096076]Who cares if the U.K is disconnected, more space for the rest of the world.[/QUOTE] Fuck you. The UK is awesome.
[QUOTE=evilking1;18093368]Where it said that? [editline]11:53AM[/editline] I am not naive, if you are a criminal, you get punishment. Rapists get chemical castration (somewhere, sometimes), DUI:s lose their license, so why not pirates to lose their internet? Oh yeah I forgot this was made to destroy the internet and to hunt down those who are against the government.[/QUOTE] Because pirating isn't wrong, or illegal for any reason other than greed. Pirating doesn't cause people to lose money. And yes, the government does want to control you and your habits. That's what a government is.
If this does pass then someone should get into Lord Mandlesons wireless and download some child porn and music and all that stuff so he gets disconnected and arrested
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