Don't Disconnect Us (If you live in the UK and still want internet access, get in!)
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I'd sign the petition if I could, but I live in the US. Best of luck though, don't let the white man get ya down yo
Hmm, I never heard of this, I am signing petition. Fucking stupid Cyber Police wanting to run everyones lives like Big Brother, fucking assholes.
I personally can't see this ever coming into law. The government has said it will start introducing legislation for this in summer 2011, by that point we should have a new government with a completely different agenda.
I'd imagine if they start cutting people off the internet, people who got disconnected would either:
1) Find another way to get internet
2) Move out of the UK
3) Kill whoever put the laws in place.
[QUOTE=Wayword;18099598]I'd imagine if they start cutting people off the internet, people who got disconnected would either:
1) Find another way to get internet
2) Move out of the UK
3) Kill whoever put the laws in place.[/QUOTE]
I would happily do 3 and server life for it, I completely disagree with this sort of Over Controlling of the population, therefore I would do life in jail for killing fuckers like him.
EDIT: Oh yeh, life in the UK is only about 16 years anyway. So win win for me.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;18097535]Because pirating isn't wrong, or illegal for any reason other than greed. Pirating doesn't cause people to lose money. And yes, the government does want to control you and your habits. That's what a government is.[/QUOTE]
Yeah the music companies don't lose any money, they just want to control the world by this.
Just like government, trying to make everybody a part of the evil machinery.
Fuck, I'm American but I wanted to vote. :frown:
[QUOTE=evilking1;18102431]Yeah the music companies don't lose any money, they just want to control the world by this.
Just like government, trying to make everybody a part of the evil machinery.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, cause record companies need more money. Do you even know how much money they make, and how much their lobby controls in terms of Congress? Oh wait, you think they're totally cool. Pirating doesn't make people lose money. Why? It makes them lose "Imaginary profit" or "Projected profit", but guess what, you know that thing you saw today that you didn't buy, you also made that company lose money. Most pirates only download things that they never intended to buy, thus record companies, and most companies just publish fake or "Projected" loses about how much pirating hits them. It doesn't actually hurt them. It's a great way to scare people into saying pirating is illegal.
[QUOTE=joshdasmif;18099670]I would happily do 3 and server life for it, I completely disagree with this sort of Over Controlling of the population, therefore I would do life in jail for killing fuckers like him.
EDIT: Oh yeh, life in the UK is only about 16 years anyway. So win win for me.[/QUOTE]
Better life in jail than life with no internet eh?
Guess where that isn't happening? America. :smug:
[sp] Although Obama's going to run us into the ground since he has no clue what the fuck he's doing[/sp]
Also, even ignoring the fact honest people can get disconnected too, even stopping piracy wouldn't help much. Just because someone can't download something ilegally, that doesn't mean he will buy it.
Problem with conventional anti-piracy methods (sue 'em) is that everybody does it.
Signed
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;18115938]Yeah, cause record companies need more money. Do you even know how much money they make, and how much their lobby controls in terms of Congress? Oh wait, you think they're totally cool. Pirating doesn't make people lose money. Why? It makes them lose "Imaginary profit" or "Projected profit", but guess what, you know that thing you saw today that you didn't buy, you also made that company lose money. Most pirates only download things that they never intended to buy, thus record companies, and most companies just publish fake or "Projected" loses about how much pirating hits them. It doesn't actually hurt them. It's a great way to scare people into saying pirating is illegal.[/QUOTE]
Naturally both sides say what they want, record labels those "projected" losses, and pirates are all "but but but nobody would ever buy what he downloads".
The "imaginary profit" isn't really that hard thing to understand. It's a bit like a patent. You do the shit that you have patented, and people buy it. If somebody just copies the product and makes it cheaper, less people buy your shit. Resulting in loss of profits.
Piracy makes those companies lose money, or did you think that if people can download everything for free and easy, they would go to buy the same thing from the store then?
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[QUOTE=kukiric;18116018]Also, even ignoring the fact honest people can get disconnected too, even stopping piracy wouldn't help much. Just because someone can't download something ilegally, that doesn't mean he will buy it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, and shoplifters wouldn't buy everything that they stick to their pockets.
Garry lives in the UK! D:
[QUOTE=evilking1;18116223]Naturally both sides say what they want, record labels those "projected" losses, and pirates are all "but but but nobody would ever buy what he downloads".
The "imaginary profit" isn't really that hard thing to understand. It's a bit like a patent. You do the shit that you have patented, and people buy it. If somebody just copies the product and makes it cheaper, less people buy your shit. Resulting in loss of profits.
Piracy makes those companies lose money, or did you think that if people can download everything for free and easy, they would go to buy the same thing from the store then?
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Yeah, and shoplifters wouldn't buy everything that they stick to their pockets.[/QUOTE]
Ok man, you're absolutley right about everything. Imaginary profit is bullshit, and should be considered so. You don't buy everything you see, so you're losing companies imaginary profit. It's not hard to understand huh? You obviously don't. No, I never once said that companies don't lose money from piracy, I said they don't lose as much as they say. Many people don't pirate, many people, many many more people are honest people and buy things. Maybe if a CD wasn't 20 dollars, and some things weren't so expensive, you'd see piracy go down, not just saying "IT'S ILLEGAL AND YOU'RE A THEIF" and this other bullshit which just isn't true. If they want to combat piracy, they can charge less for products. I've never heard someone argue that the record company deserves the money, seeing as people normally argue the artist needs it, and the artist doesn't even make money off of album sales really. Most piracy is aimed towards expensive software however, things like Adobe products which can be hundreds and even thousands of dollars. People just can't afford that. It's not stealing either, by the way.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;18116943]Ok man, you're absolutley right about everything. Imaginary profit is bullshit, and should be considered so. You don't buy everything you see, so you're losing companies imaginary profit. It's not hard to understand huh? You obviously don't. No, I never once said that companies don't lose money from piracy, I said they don't lose as much as they say. Many people don't pirate, many people, many many more people are honest people and buy things. Maybe if a CD wasn't 20 dollars, and some things weren't so expensive, you'd see piracy go down, not just saying "IT'S ILLEGAL AND YOU'RE A THEIF" and this other bullshit which just isn't true. If they want to combat piracy, they can charge less for products. I've never heard someone argue that the record company deserves the money, seeing as people normally argue the artist needs it, and the artist doesn't even make money off of album sales really. Most piracy is aimed towards expensive software however, things like Adobe products which can be hundreds and even thousands of dollars. People just can't afford that. It's not stealing either, by the way.[/QUOTE]
I said exactly that what you said in the beginning, but thanks for mentioning.
But I remember a news story I saw posted somewhere... A group of teens were invited to some record label for some shit I can't remember, and there were CDs on the desk that they were free to take. Nobody took any, why? Since it's much easier to download from a torrent rather than rip a CD. It's even easier to download illegally than download legally.
Besides, I see nice cars in the street but I don't go stealing them since they cost too much. It's true, with the piracy nowadays the artist makes the bucks from concerts and swag. "Most piracy" is a vague concept, do you mean the amount or the $ involved? I think that most people download more movies / etc than software... At least they would be more likely to buy the movie or game rather than 20,000$ software. Those high-end products cost so much since not so many buy them, and there are cheaper alternatives, not everybody needs Photoshop over a light version of it.
Invited [b]all[/b] my facebook friends to the Don't Disconnect Us group. All 204 of 'em.
[QUOTE=Diaklu;18118945]Invited [b]all[/b] my facebook friends to the Don't Disconnect Us group. All 204 of 'em.[/QUOTE]
:bravo: Have yourself a crumpet good sir.
Will do.
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YO DAWG I HEARD YOU LIKE INTERNETS, SO I TOOK THE INTERNETS OUT OF YOUR INTERNETS
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Oh wait that's Dyson.
I doubt if there is risks like that it will fail to happen. Signed it anyway. :ohdear:
[QUOTE=PieClock;18128163]I doubt if there is risks like that it will fail to happen. Signed it anyway. :ohdear:[/QUOTE]
This is the british government we're dealing with here.
Joined the Facebook group
I disagree with Lord Mandleson's legislation. Consider me signed up!
I just switched to TalkTalk, good to know I picked a cool ISP.
I think it's being passed, just heard on the radio.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;18097535]Because pirating isn't wrong, or illegal for any reason other than greed. Pirating doesn't cause people to lose money. And yes, the government does want to control you and your habits. That's what a government is.[/QUOTE]
And that is the attitude that is killing companies. Games companies spend millions on a game, and only by selling it do they make a return. If they don't get that return they will eventually be wiped out. And all because of peoples attitudes that it is not a physical thing. It may not be a physical thing, but it still costs money to make.
Would you walk into a shop and steal an apple. It's the same thing.
These companies need to adapt to the technology, and not restrict it.
Good examples: Spotify, Steam, iPlayer, Linux, Google.
Spotify adapted to the P2P technology and it works great. Pays through advertising.
Steam got DRM right, sure you can't copy games and sometimes its faulty, but it does work.
iPlayer adapted to the P2P and streaming technology.
Linux manages to subsidise itself through donations, they're doing fine.
Google subsidises itself through advertisement. Means they don't have to charge us for using the service :D
[QUOTE=PoloXGS;18128760]These companies need to adapt to the technology, and not restrict it.
Good examples: Spotify, Steam, iPlayer, Linux, Google.
Spotify adapted to the P2P technology and it works great. Pays through advertising.
Steam got DRM right, sure you can't copy games and sometimes its faulty, but it does work.
iPlayer adapted to the P2P and streaming technology.
Linux manages to subsidise itself through donations, they're doing fine.
Google subsidises itself through advertisement. Means they don't have to charge us for using the service :D[/QUOTE]
But that would mean admitting that they were wrong.
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