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[QUOTE=overpain;48097023]Shit man, I didn't write it clear enough. They don't want to, but they higher chances with that. Both parties are at fault. And I was specifically talking about clubs and house parties, where majority woman and man go to get laid. And what's the reason for woman to wear sexual clothing in the freetime? It doesn't get them respect, [B]it doesn't make them look good[/B]. It just screams : I am easy. Yes, man shouldn't rape. But girls shouldn't higher their chances and feminists are not right by saying that men should learn not to rape. And most of the times modern rape anyways is when girl sleeps with a boy and next morning she regrets it, so she just calls it that way. And I don't see how it is rape then, man was just as intoxicated as the girl was at the act of the deed. My girlfriend works as lawyer and she tells me similar stories often.[/QUOTE] Actually that's one of the reasons why girls tend to wear skimpy clothing, it makes them feel attractive, but that doesn't mean they should be victims sexual assault. Also some women wear skimpier clothing since it's a lot easier to survive the heat with stuff like that on ( Here I see plenty of girls with really short pants and all that, and we get an average of 33 or more degrees daily )
[QUOTE=Bathtub;48097039]Nice victim blaming. Has it ever occured to you that people get raped at places other than parties? Saying "they asked for it" is the most backwards, ass-hat way of thinking I've ever seen[/QUOTE] Let's say I'm driving drunk and someone crashes into my car from behind. I am a victim, yes. But If I was sober, could have I avoided it by better seeing my surroundings and taking additional safety? Maybe. The same thing applies here. If you want just have fun , lower your risk of these accidents. Yes, rapists are disgusting. But girls should try to avoid it as well.
[QUOTE=overpain;48097041]I edited my post, I wanted to say that woman shouldn't higher their chances with skimpy outfits in the places where's alcohol is involved and is higher risk of getting raped. I didn't get my opinion said correctly I think.[/QUOTE] My point still stands. No one, for any reason, should have any ill actions committed against them for whatever way they dress. The victim should also not be blamed for the crimes against them based on how they were dressed. That is ridiculous.
[QUOTE=TAU!;48096914]I never accused anyone of being lazy.[/QUOTE] You said that non minorities, no matter their social background, always have a chance of succeeding that minorities don't. That implies that non minorities who faul regardless didn't seize their chance. [QUOTE] Are you seriously going to continue to accuse me of saying things I didn't actually say? These programs don't exist to make people rich, they exist to give people a better chance at life. How is that racist at all? Your constant moaning about "But these programs exist for a select few, why does it not exist for x group?" There are programs for everyone, and I am not at all an advocate for poor people remaining poor, no matter their background. Not everyone is able to take advantage of these programs, whether it's for personal reasons or things that may just be completely out of their control. If it's the latter, then we as a society should be working harder to make our collective governments work towards focusing more of their time and budgets on fixing these problems.[/QUOTE] If you really want poor people all around to succeed, what need is there to make programs specifically for minorities? You keep saying I repeat the same thing over and over but you didn't even answer any of my question in the first place. [QUOTE]Are you dense? Racism correlates directly with power. I never claimed that I couldn't be racist, or even that any specific person could not be called racist or be immune to being called that. Look at what happened in Nazi Germany during the 30s and 40s, and how they treated Jewish people, gypsies, and other minorities there. Look at Brazil, and how it has always treated it's black population since its creation as a Portuguese colony. Look at the US, how it continues to mistreat black people. Also, internment camps for Japanese citizens during WWII. Look at Europe, and its continuous circle jerk over hating africans, gypsies, and other minorities. Look at Japan and its multiple conquests in mainland Asia, their attempts to subjugate China and Korea.[/QUOTE] Oh, so you [I]are[/i] indeed one of those persons. You're trying to redefine racism to rid actual racism of the negative connotations it rightfully bears and I'm the one who's dense here? Listen up: Racism is any form of discrimination that's made based on skin color or any other racial factor. I don't give a fuck whether you want to admit that's what racism actually is or not. Whatever you want to call it, it's an abhorrent practice which needs to be eradicated, and I'm certainly not going to let people who commit it under a progressive pretence get away with it.
[QUOTE=overpain;48097069]Let's say I'm driving drunk and someone crashes into my car from behind. I am a victim, yes. But If I was sober, could have I avoided it by better seeing my surroundings and taking additional safety? Maybe.[/QUOTE] That's not a worthwhile fucking comparison, don't be retarded. A rape victim is not at fault for someone else taking advantage of them, be it emotionally or physically. It is [I]not[/I] their fault if they are physically forced into sex, it is [I]not[/I] their fault that someone slips drugs into their drink, it is [I]not[/I] their fault when someone threatens them with blackmail in return for sex acts, it is [I]not their fucking fault[/I].
[QUOTE=TAU!;48097075]My point still stands. No one, for any reason, should have any ill actions committed against them for whatever way they dress. The victim should also not be blamed for the crimes against them based on how they were dressed. That is ridiculous.[/QUOTE] Doing anything you should take precautions. As I said, girls should lower their risk. Who's got bigger chance to be raped at the same party for example : incredibly drunk girl with skimpy outfit, or modestly dressed buzzed girl? That's my point, that you should always take risk vs reward and take as many precautions as you can.
[QUOTE=The golden;48097033]I would like to request you take your victim-blaming and relocate it to your rectum please.[/QUOTE] That's not a very unpopular school of thought regarding this guy.
[QUOTE=_Axel;48097090]You said that non minorities, no matter their social background, always have a chance of succeeding that minorities don't. That implies that non minorities who faul regardless didn't seize their chance.[/quote] I never implied that. You keep accusing me of accusing non-minorities of being lazy. You can actually go ahead and look up programs available for people, and pretty much anyone can get into one. [quote]If you really want poor people all around to succeed, what need is there to make programs specifically for minorities? You keep saying I repeat the same thing over and over but you didn't even answer any of my question in the first place.[/quote] [quote]Oh, so you [I]are[/i] indeed one of those persons. You're trying to redefine racism to rid actual racism of the negative connotations it rightfully bears and I'm the one who's dense here? Listen up: Racism is any form of discrimination that's made based on skin color or any other racial factor. I don't give a fuck whether you want to admit that's what racism actually is or not. Whatever you want to call it, it's an abhorrent practice which needs to be eradicated, and I'm certainly not going to let people who commit it under a progressive pretence get away with it.[/QUOTE] You really are repeating yourself. Also, no, I never tried to remove the negative connotations from what racism actually is, but okay. I agree that it should be eradicated, but it's like you're reading everything I said wrong.
[QUOTE=overpain;48097105]Doing anything you should take precautions. As I said, girls should lower their risk. Who's got bigger chance to be raped at the same party for example : incredibly drunk girl with skimpy outfit, or modestly dressed buzzed girl? That's my point, that you should always take risk vs reward and take as many precautions as you can.[/QUOTE] You can't exactly take precations against stuff like rape. You can dress like a nun in a church and still be raped in fucked up circumstances. It's like murder. Sure, you can try to avoid bad neighbourhoods, but you may still be caught in the crossfire, or even be murdered for banal things like skin colour
[QUOTE=TAU!;48097119]You really are repeating yourself. Also, no, I never tried to remove the negative connotations from what racism actually is, but okay.[/QUOTE] Of course you think that, you don't have the correct definition of racism in the first place, so you don't feel like you do, regardless of your acts. [Quote] agree that it should be eradicated, but it's like you're reading everything I said wrong.[/QUOTE] You definitely don't since you support it through affirmative action.
[QUOTE=_Axel;48097145]Of course you think that, you don't have the correct definition of racism in the first place, so you don't feel like you do, regardless of your acts. You definitely don't since you support it through affirmative action.[/QUOTE] af·firm·a·tive ac·tion noun NORTH AMERICAN noun: affirmative action an action or policy favoring those who tend to suffer from discrimination, especially in relation to employment or education; positive discrimination. Affirmative action in no way is meant to put down anyone. At all. Ever. You can look up historical examples of this, like the Black Panthers, or the Brown Berets, and many others.
[QUOTE=TAU!;48097119]I never implied that. You keep accusing me of accusing non-minorities of being lazy. You can actually go ahead and look up programs available for people, and pretty much anyone can get into one.[/QUOTE] Except in those that are exclusive to minorities? [editline]1st July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=TAU!;48097156]af·firm·a·tive ac·tion noun NORTH AMERICAN noun: affirmative action an action or policy favoring those who tend to suffer from discrimination, especially in relation to employment or education; positive discrimination.[/QUOTE]"Positive discrimination." This is an oxymoron, it makes as little sense as "reverse rape" or "reverse racism". I explained to you that racism is discrimination based on race. That's exactly what affirmative action is. It is thus racist.
[QUOTE=_Axel;48097159]Except in those that are exclusive to minorities? [editline]1st July 2015[/editline] "Positive discrimination." This is an oxymoron. I explained to you that racism is discrimination based on race. That's exactly what affirmative action is. B It is thus racist.[/QUOTE] As a white person, you can just look for something that doesn't cater directly to non-whites. Is that so difficult to get through your head? If you can't go right, then try to go left instead. You can still get to your destination. [editline]1st July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=_Axel;48097159]Except in those that are exclusive to minorities? [editline]1st July 2015[/editline] "Positive discrimination." This is an oxymoron, it makes as little sense as "reverse rape" or "reverse racism". I explained to you that racism is discrimination based on race. That's exactly what affirmative action is. It is thus racist.[/QUOTE] When has affirmative actually put down any ethnic group/race/skin color? And I truly mean subjugate a people, treat them as second class citizens or even as animals (Fun fact: In Australia, it wasn't until the 1967 that aboriginals were no longer longer legally considered flora or fauna. Yes, aboriginals up until that point weren't even considered human by the Australian government. That is racism.)
[QUOTE=TAU!;48097186]As a white person, you can just look for something that doesn't cater directly to non-whites. Is that so difficult to get through your head? If you can't go right, then try to go left instead. You can still get to your destination.[/QUOTE] Why do minorities have more choice then? They can apply to the same programs whites do, so there's no need for exclusive programs. I asked this question several times already, you never answered it. [editline]1st July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=TAU!;48097186]When has affirmative actually put down any ethnic group/race/skin color?[/QUOTE] What does that have to do with it being racist? And it doesn't put down ethnic groups, it puts down individuals who don't conform to your generalised view of ethnies.
[QUOTE=_Axel;48097196]Why do minorities have more choice then? They can apply to the same programs whites do, so there's no need for exclusive programs. I asked this question several times already, you never answered it.[/quote] To help them out? What other answer are you looking for? [quote]What does that have to do with it being racist? And it doesn't put down ethnic groups, it puts down individuals who don't conform to your generalised view of ethnies.[/QUOTE] Racism literally has to do with the oppression of a people, through power, and whether or not the government is actively oppressing a people or not, so long as it happened on a grand scale in the past (or even in the present) it will echo throughout history forever. Its influence will be marked on the people it has affected, for better or worse. Look at the influence of black face and minstrels, an offensive act meant to mock black people. "Entertainment" for the sake of mocking a race/ethnic group. Why is it offensive? Because it's racist.
[QUOTE=TAU!;48097232]Racism literally has to do with the oppression of a people, through power, and whether or not the government is actively oppressing a people or not, so long as it happened on a grand scale in the past (or even in the present) it will echo throughout history forever. Its influence will be marked on the people it has affected, for better or worse.[/QUOTE] No it fucking isn't, grab a dictionary for fuck's sake. I put the definition several posts above. You don't need to oppress an entire ethnic group to be racist. How fucking brainwashed do you have to be to be okay with racism by altering its definition? [editline]1st July 2015[/editline] And you still haven't answered my goddamn question. [editline]1st July 2015[/editline] Actually, don't answer my question. I'm in enough despair because of your fucked up views right now.
[QUOTE=_Axel;48097257]No it fucking isn't, grab a dictionary for fuck's sake. I put the definition several posts above. You don't need to oppress an entire ethnic group to be racist. How fucking brainwashed do you have to be to be okay with racism by altering its definition? [editline]1st July 2015[/editline] And you still haven't answered my goddamn question.[/QUOTE] Have fun reading this, taken directly from Wiki: [quote]In sociology and psychology, some definitions include only consciously malignant forms of discrimination.[4][5] Some definitions of racism also include discriminatory behaviors and beliefs based on cultural, national, ethnic, caste, or religious stereotypes.[2][6] One view holds that racism is best understood as 'prejudice plus power' because without the support of political or economic power, prejudice would not be able to manifest as a pervasive cultural, institutional or social phenomenon.[7][8][9][/quote] [quote]Institutional racism (also known as structural racism, state racism or systemic racism) is racial discrimination by governments, corporations, religions, or educational institutions or other large organizations with the power to influence the lives of many individuals. Stokely Carmichael is credited for coining the phrase institutional racism in the late 1960s. He defined the term as "the collective failure of an organization to provide an appropriate and professional service to people because of their colour, culture or ethnic origin".[46] Maulana Karenga argued that racism constituted the destruction of culture, language, religion and human possibility, and that the effects of racism were "the morally monstrous destruction of human possibility involved redefining African humanity to the world, poisoning past, present and future relations with others who only know us through this stereotyping and thus damaging the truly human relations among peoples."[47][/quote] [quote]Juan Ginés de Sepúlveda argued that, during the Valladolid controversy in the middle of the 16th century, the Native Americans were natural slaves because they had no souls. In Asia, the Chinese and Japanese Empires were both strong colonial powers, with the Chinese making colonies and vassal states of much of East Asia throughout history, and the Japanese doing the same in the 19th–20th centuries. In both cases, the Asian imperial powers believed they were ethnically and racially preferenced too.[/quote] Racism correlates directly to power, whether it's political, religious, or social, even a mixture of them all. [editline]1st July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=_Axel;48097257]Actually, don't answer my question. I'm in enough despair because of your fucked up views right now.[/QUOTE] You're in despair over my "fucked up" view of it because I actually looked further into it than you ever bothered to? Racism is so much more than just simple discrimination over skin color and race.
[QUOTE=TAU!;48097304]Have fun reading this, taken directly from Wiki: Racism correlates directly to power, whether it's political, religious, or social, even a mixture of them all. [editline]1st July 2015[/editline] You're in despair over my "fucked up" view of it because I actually looked further into it than you ever bothered to? Racism is so much more than just simple discrimination over skin color and race.[/QUOTE] This is the sociological definition of racism. In the real world, we call this "institutional racism" (it's in the fucking quote you put up) and it's only a subset of racism, the definition of which I already posted. [editline]2nd July 2015[/editline] People like you gobble up everything they see on the internet without actually thinking about what it means. I really wish sociologists stuck with "institutional racism" instead of shortening it. Because of that a lot of people don't actually understand what racism is about.
I think that mineral water is garbage. The more I drink it, the more I want to actually drink normal water.
[QUOTE=_Axel;48097367]This is the sociological definition of racism. In the real world, we call this "institutional racism" (it's in the fucking quote you put up) and it's only a subset of racism, the definition of which I already posted. [editline]2nd July 2015[/editline] People like you gobble up everything they see on the internet without actually thinking about what it means. I really wish sociologists stuck with "institutional racism" instead of shortening it. Because of that a lot of people don't actually understand what racism is about.[/QUOTE] I really wish you would stop acting like social programs meant to solely benefit a certain demographic should be considered racist. They're meant to help, whether it's specific scholarships, grants, job and career programs, they are not racist. Racism is so many things actually intertwined together, usually brought on through institutional racism. Don't downplay the sociological effects of it.
[QUOTE=TAU!;48097476]I really wish you would stop acting like social programs meant to solely benefit a certain demographic should be considered racist. They're meant to help, whether it's specific scholarships, grants, job and career programs, they are not racist.[/QUOTE] According to the actual definition of racism, they are. But you don't want to admit that, you've got your head so far up your ass that you don't see any issue with discrimination based on race. You're a hopeless case. I really hope you're not representative of American progressives at large, but then again if you weren't affirmative action wouldn't exist in the first place.
[QUOTE=TAU!;48097476]I really wish you would stop acting like social programs meant to solely benefit a[B] certain demographic should be considered racist.[/B] [/QUOTE] That is racist. Giving a group different treatment because of their race is racism. If its an institution doing it, (Affirmative action/Diversity quota) then its institutional racism.
[QUOTE=TAU!;48097476]Racism is so many things actually intertwined together, usually brought on through institutional racism. Don't downplay the sociological effects of it.[/QUOTE] You're the one who's downplaying racism by refusing to acknowledge that it's any kind of discrimination based on race, and not only the specific examples you bring up. [editline]2nd July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Rangergxi;48097529]That is racist. Giving a group different treatment because of their race is racism. If its an institution doing it, (Affirmative action/Diversity quota) then its institutional racism.[/QUOTE] Take the wheel if you want to, I've had enough of arguing for hours with a moron.
[QUOTE=_Axel;48097525]According to the actual definition of racism, they are. But you don't want to admit that, you've got your head so far up your ass that you don't see any issue with discrimination based on race. You're a hopeless case. I really hope you're not representative of American progressives at large, but then again if you weren't affirmative action wouldn't exist in the first place.[/QUOTE] "Actual definition of racism" [quote]rac·ism ˈrāˌsizəm/Submit noun noun: racism the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. "a program to combat racism" synonyms: racial discrimination, racialism, racial prejudice, xenophobia, chauvinism, bigotry, casteism "Aborigines are the main victims of racism in Australia"[/quote] You should be a comedian [editline]1st July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=_Axel;48097525]According to the actual definition of racism, they are. But you don't want to admit that, you've got your head so far up your ass that you don't see any issue with discrimination based on race. You're a hopeless case. I really hope you're not representative of American progressives at large, but then again if you weren't affirmative action wouldn't exist in the first place.[/QUOTE] Affirmative action exists because of widespread oppression and discrimination, does it not? Affirmative action would have absolutely no reason to exist if it were not for traits in a social/political environment that discriminated against a specific people or peoples for whatever reason.
[QUOTE]prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.[/QUOTE] So it's okay if we discriminate against blacks without thinking they're an inferior race?
[QUOTE=TAU!;48097550] Affirmative action exists because of widespread oppression and discrimination, does it not?[/QUOTE] Affirmative action is setting lower standards for african-americans and higher standards for asians. It devalues the achievements of hard working and intelligent african-americans and hurts poorer asians who can't dedicate as much time to studying as richer asians. Let it all come down to merit and have society dedicate more resources to helping the poor, regardless of their color. Focus on the poverty and lack of opportunity, not the colors.
[QUOTE=TAU!;48097550]Affirmative action exists because of widespread oppression and discrimination, does it not? Affirmative action would have absolutely no reason to exist if it were not for traits in a social/political environment that discriminated against a specific people or peoples for whatever reason.[/QUOTE] Affirmative action perpetrates even more racial discrimination on top of that. Congratulations on solving the problem.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48097529]That is racist. Giving a group different treatment because of their race is racism. If its an institution doing it, (Affirmative action/Diversity quota) then its institutional racism.[/QUOTE] So trying to improve career/educational situations for people who don't have as good of a chance as the majority, or are more likely to end up being worse off than the majority, is racist? It caters to a specific group yes, in order to benefit them, while not simultaneously putting them above others. [editline]1st July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Rangergxi;48097593]Affirmative action is setting lower standards for african-americans and higher standards for asians. It devalues the achievements of hard working and intelligent african-americans and hurts poorer asians who can't dedicate as much time to studying as richer asians. Let it all come down to merit and have society dedicate more resources to helping the poor, regardless of their color. Focus on the poverty and lack of opportunity, not the colors.[/QUOTE] Actually, NO, this is not fair enough. Giving better opportunities to more people in no way devalues the achievement of others. People usually are more obligated to try harder if they're given more of a chance to achieve something. This is like saying that raising the minimum wage will make poor people lazier, because they won't have to "work as hard". [editline]1st July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=_Axel;48097602]Affirmative action perpetrates even more racial discrimination on top of that. Congratulations on solving the problem.[/QUOTE] How so? Go ahead and explain.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48097593]Affirmative action is setting lower standards for african-americans and higher standards for asians. It devalues the achievements of hard working and intelligent african-americans and hurts poorer asians who can't dedicate as much time to studying as richer asians. Let it all come down to merit and have society dedicate more resources to helping the poor, regardless of their color. Focus on the poverty and lack of opportunity, not the colors.[/QUOTE] That is why nowadays I do feel it should be based on factors besides race. Especially because according to some sources quite a few universities in fact have over-representation of blacks & hispanics, and under-representation of whites & asians. However, at the time these programs were created blacks had it very rough as a result of society, so I can't quite say it was terrible at the time.
Person of color is extremely racist. Its basically a politically correct "colored folk". It encourages a whites v them mentality and some idea of whites being different. [QUOTE=TAU!;48097611] It caters to a specific group yes, in order to benefit them, while not simultaneously putting them above others.[/QUOTE] Dedicating a certain number of spots for a certain race leaves less spots for other races. You're discriminating against them. The problem is that poor people have less opportunities. That should bet he problem dealt with. Rich black people hardly have any trouble getting into higher education or higher positions.
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