[QUOTE=Deng;47129467]The problem with radical feminism itself is the view of the source of discrimination and other problems that prevent equality of the sexes. I think that the real cause of this discrimination is rooted primarily in customary and legal restraints, rather than in gender relations.[/QUOTE]
And where do the customary and legal restraints originate?
Root Beer and Vernors are both fucking disgusting.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;47127023]Feminists are people who believe in creating equality between the sexes. Anyone who doesn't fit that description... ISN'T A FEMINIST[/QUOTE]
or you can say egalitarian, but 3rd wave feminist have labeled that as an MRA group.
Old feminist groups were amazing with wanting to be equal, but 3rd wave have focused on shitting on trans/men nonstop and belittle others.
[QUOTE=Prismatex;47129558]And where do the customary and legal restraints originate?[/QUOTE]
Usually it comes from how society in the past organized itself. Outdated laws persist for many years, and some customs are often based on how people back then thought of how the world was organized or operated. Domination of one group by another is not the ultimate basis of society, but instead it is mutual cooperation.
I don't like Bioshock or Dishonoured, but I loved System Shock 2.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;47129882]or you can say egalitarian, but 3rd wave feminist have labeled that as an MRA group.
Old feminist groups were amazing with wanting to be equal, but 3rd wave have focused on shitting on trans/men nonstop and belittle others.[/QUOTE]
Stop using Tumblr as your gauge for modern feminism's goals
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47130390]Stop using Tumblr as your gauge for modern feminism's goals[/QUOTE]
its not just tumblr, its leaking into universities that peddle that shit all the time if its up north or the west.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;47130538]its not just tumblr, its leaking into universities that peddle that shit all the time if its up north or the west.[/QUOTE]
And people ignore them and call them crazies. Nobody who actually believes in real feminism agrees with psycho TERFs who want all men castrated
[QUOTE=codemaster85;47129882]or you can say egalitarian[/QUOTE]
Hate to say it but I've never seen egalitarians accomplish anything
[QUOTE=Deng;47129902]Usually it comes from how society in the past organized itself. Outdated laws persist for many years, and some customs are often based on how people back then thought of how the world was organized or operated. Domination of one group by another is not the ultimate basis of society, but instead it is mutual cooperation.[/QUOTE]
How society in the past organized itself; i.e. patriarchy.
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[QUOTE=codemaster85;47129882]or you can say egalitarian, but 3rd wave feminist have labeled that as an MRA group.
Old feminist groups were amazing with wanting to be equal, but 3rd wave have focused on shitting on trans/men nonstop and belittle others.[/QUOTE]
3rd-wave feminists don't shit on trans folk, and patriarchy, which feminists of all stripes hope to eliminate, is responsible for 'men's issues'.
I for one am sick of hearing about feminism and menismsm whatever that shit is, who caresssssss uGGGGH[b]GGHHHHHHHHHH[/b]
[QUOTE=fudge blood;47130804]I for one am sick of hearing about feminism and menismsm whatever that shit is, who caresssssss uGGGGH[B]GGHHHHHHHHHH[/B][/QUOTE]
Congratulations, you're privileged and don't have to think about any of this.
[QUOTE=fudge blood;47130804]I for one am sick of hearing about feminism and menismsm whatever that shit is, who caresssssss uGGGGH[b]GGHHHHHHHHHH[/b][/QUOTE]
50% of the entire planet's population is treated unfairly UGH who cares....
[QUOTE=Prismatex;47130816]Congratulations, you're privileged and don't have to think about any of this.[/QUOTE]
on the contrary, I'm poor as fuck and am super thankful to be living in a warm place :v: I just get tired of hearing all this dumb shit all the time in video games it's so remarkably fuckin dumb.
also 'privilege'
wow lol suck it up baby.
[QUOTE=Prismatex;47130730]How society in the past organized itself; i.e. patriarchy.[/QUOTE]
I don't think patriarchy exists as a stable self-sustaining power structure. It's talked about as some sort of system driven by conflict between men and women (primarily), but such a structure would be inherently unstable and prone to frequent breakdown and collapse (such as during stress in war, revolution, and famine).
The argument of the radical feminist is that somehow a system that exists purely by exploitation, oppression, control, etc is capable of surviving thousands of years without suffering little more than a few dents at most.
The other problem is that it relies upon all women constituting a kind of social or economic class with shared interests, when rarely has this ever been the case in actual history. Beyond sharing obvious biological similarities, the interests and goals of all women rarely align.
Snipper
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;47131631]someone doesn't know how good they have it[/QUOTE]
don't mean to be rude and I can't tell if you're being serious or not/saying what I think you are (it's late and I have a major headache) but trust me if anyone's privileged it certainly isn't fudge blood, she's been through some serious shit
AND SPEAKING OF PRIVILEGE
I think people need to shut the fuck up about privilege, whether it's white privilege, male privilege, the privilege you get from living in a first world country, who [I]cares[/I]
we need to stop hating, guilting, and blaming people for having things we don't and start focusing on giving us good things too
The whole concept of white privledge is too centered around the american way of life. I agree that privledge exists and some people are assholes about it but it has more to do with money and power rather than race and gender. And Mister Sandman is right, rather than complain about it we should be finding ways for those who are better off to help those who are less fortunate.
[QUOTE=kilerabv;47131708]The whole concept of white privledge is too centered around the american way of life. I agree that privledge exists and some people are assholes about it but it has more to do with money and power rather than race and gender. And Mister Sandman is right, rather than complain about it we should be finding ways for those who are better off to help those who are less fortunate.[/QUOTE]
dissagreeing for the first part, not the last
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;47131678]don't mean to be rude and I can't tell if you're being serious or not/saying what I think you are (it's late and I have a major headache) but trust me if anyone's privileged it certainly isn't fudge blood, she's been through some serious shit
AND SPEAKING OF PRIVILEGE
I think people need to shut the fuck up about privilege, whether it's white privilege, male privilege, the privilege you get from living in a first world country, who [I]cares[/I]
we need to stop hating, guilting, and blaming people for having things we don't and start focusing on giving us good things too[/QUOTE]
Nobody is hating, guilting, or blaming people with privilege.
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[QUOTE=kilerabv;47131708]The whole concept of white privledge is too centered around the american way of life. I agree that privledge exists and some people are assholes about it but it has more to do with money and power rather than race and gender. And Mister Sandman is right, rather than complain about it we should be finding ways for those who are better off to help those who are less fortunate.[/QUOTE]
Acknowledging that privilege exists is a good first step.
[QUOTE=Prismatex;47132698]Nobody is hating, guilting, or blaming people with privilege.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like you've never been on Dumblr before.
[QUOTE=Prismatex;47130730]How society in the past organized itself; i.e. patriarchy.
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3rd-wave feminists don't shit on trans folk, and patriarchy, which feminists of all stripes hope to eliminate, is responsible for 'men's issues'.[/QUOTE]
3rd wave is currently the fuck men mentality and trans people are not real feminists for not being biologically female. Youre full of shit if you dont think the majority is rabid and offensive when i personally know people who have become that. People who are white who hate on white people and sterotype the shit out of them. Nothing says ignorant when im called privlaged when i was nearly homeless for 60% of my life. But since im white i suddenly have the greatest life imaginable.
Hitler was not a great leader as some imply, I've had people arguing that he turned Germany's economy around post depression but his actual impact is questionable; considering the man worked a 5 hour day and usually just listened to what his advisers said he should do and then there is how he actually aimed to solve it. Borrow a shit-load of money and hope you conquer enough to pay it off, basically the way the Kaiser brought Germany to the brink of collapse in WW1. The only reason it didn't happen post WW2 is that the Allies had enough common sense to see Germany was a major part of the European economy and crashing it wouldn't accomplish anything in the long term.
Hitler also was not a good military leader; outside of his idea to invade Siberia which could be a shared blame with his officers, when he took more direct command towards the end of the war he wouldn't allow officers to retreat making his causalities even worse.
Hitler was skilled at language and speeches and an impressive public figure through propaganda but as far as I'm concerned he was no great leader.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;47133092]"White privilege" is such a bullshit term, white people don't have this magic aura that grants them special powers, all of this supposed privilege comes from money and power, not race, go ask white people living in poverty if they're experiencing any benefits from that "white privilege", and then go ask any homeless white person if they feel or experience any form of privilege whatsoever.
And in Europe it's even worse, for example in the UK being white only matters if you're a native citizen with a typical native name (also you have to have money), if you're a white immigrant from an Eastern European nation good fucking luck with that "white privilege".[/QUOTE]
I agree that attacking others for their privilege won't solve anything and that white people can certainly have it rough too. But black people consistently get far higher sentences than white people for the exact same crime. Institutional racism still exists, it's just quieter.
Of course I'm speaking on circumstances in the USA. I can't speak for other nations.
The way it seems to be almost done in America (generalizing a bit here) is that on both sides of the debate about race or whatever, it seems almost like the conflict aspect between the groups are heavily stressed. It almost seems to be why people don't trust the police, government, medical staff, etc at all, because there's somehow a kind of inherent conflict or suspicion of them.
I mean, America is the country where a bunch of terrorists can fly planes into two buildings and kill thousands of people, but millions of Americans believe that their own government was responsible for this.
You have the innawoods, the tea partiers who want "small government", wealthy californians refusing to get measles vaccinations, the fluoridation of water, the big hubbub about "corporations man", FEMA camps, KKK thinking a race war is coming, etc. The running theme is almost as though everybody thinks any and all authority has some sort of ulterior motive or is already in control and is plotting to ruin your day.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;47133092]"White privilege" is such a bullshit term, white people don't have this magic aura that grants them special powers, all of this supposed privilege comes from money and power, not race, go ask white people living in poverty if they're experiencing any benefits from that "white privilege", and then go ask any homeless white person if they feel or experience any form of privilege whatsoever.
And in Europe it's even worse, for example in the UK being white only matters if you're a native citizen with a typical native name (also you have to have money), if you're a white immigrant from an Eastern European nation good fucking luck with that "white privilege".[/QUOTE]
Are you familiar with the concept of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersectionality"]intersectionality[/URL]? Just because someone is privileged in one aspect of their lives doesn't mean that life is all sunshine and roses. It means that they won't face race-based oppression in a white supremacist society.
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[QUOTE=Atlascore;47133482]True, black people do have it really bad in America, institutional racism is horrible, I'm not trying to sweep their problems under the rug though, all I'm saying here is that labeling it [I]white[/I] privilege is wrong because it paints all white people in existence as being middle-class America.. which they're not, lots of white people get screwed over in life, especially if they're living in poverty, are homeless, or are immigrants.[/QUOTE]
It says that white people don't face institutionalized racism. That's all.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;47133092]"White privilege" is such a bullshit term, white people don't have this magic aura that grants them special powers, all of this supposed privilege comes from money and power, not race, go ask white people living in poverty if they're experiencing any benefits from that "white privilege", and then go ask any homeless white person if they feel or experience any form of privilege whatsoever.
And in Europe it's even worse, for example in the UK being white only matters if you're a native citizen with a typical native name (also you have to have money), if you're a white immigrant from an Eastern European nation good fucking luck with that "white privilege".[/QUOTE]
I'd highly advise you do some digging into the concept of unconscious bias.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;47132963]3rd wave is currently the fuck men mentality and trans people are not real feminists for not being biologically female. Youre full of shit if you dont think the majority is rabid and offensive when i personally know people who have become that. People who are white who hate on white people and sterotype the shit out of them. Nothing says ignorant when im called privlaged when i was nearly homeless for 60% of my life. But since im white i suddenly have the greatest life imaginable.[/QUOTE]
That's not how the concept of privilege works. It doesn't mean that everything is great for you, only that you don't face institutionalized racism.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;47133994]Except quite a few white people do experience that on a daily basis?
Have you ever read into the discrimination many White Hispanic immigrants face in America, particularly the South?
Or how about the discrimination Eastern European immigrants face in most Western European nations?
Obviously they neither group is facing the same levels of inequality as Blacks, but they're still treated as if they're below "regular" white people.
If you want a historical example how white privilege isn't universal then look at the Irish, it wasn't until the beginning of the last century that they finally started being treated as "equals".[/QUOTE]
The Irish weren't even considered white for a long time, let alone as equals.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;47133994]Except quite a few white people do experience that on a daily basis?
Have you ever read into the discrimination many White Hispanic immigrants face in America, particularly the South?
Or how about the discrimination Eastern European immigrants face in most Western European nations?
Obviously they neither group is facing the same levels of inequality as Blacks, but they're still treated as if they're below "regular" white people.
If you want a historical example how white privilege isn't universal then look at the Irish, it wasn't until the beginning of the last century that they finally started being treated as "equals".[/QUOTE]
Hispanics aren't considered white in America, and at a time the Irish weren't either. Really the concept of whiteness in its entirety is very much centered around the US.
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