• Religious High School Students
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[QUOTE=emPiRe14;21071213]There also then comes the question, why exactly is good better than evil?[/QUOTE] Because evil serves no purpose other than mindless destruction and in the end stymies our advance as a race?
[QUOTE=emPiRe14;21071213]There also then comes the question, why exactly is good better than evil?[/QUOTE] Good and evil are just subjective terms, neither is better than the other. Better is also a subjective term. Fuck nothing exists
[QUOTE=doommarine23;21071208]Why are we talking about god now; we just de-railed into a topic of morality.[/QUOTE] Okay :v:
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;21071246]Because evil serves no purpose other than mindless destruction and in the end stymies our advance as a race?[/QUOTE] Christians say that gay marriage is evil. Therefore the term is meaningless.
I've always seen it as, Good = Generally better for society as a whole. Bad = Generally worse for society as a whole. *This does include into society that individual rights being important are important to society.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;21071246]Because evil serves no purpose other than mindless destruction and in the end stymies our advance as a race?[/QUOTE] Not necessarily. You're stuck in a room with oxygen for one person for 3 hours. After 3 hours the door will open. Problem is, you're stuck in there with another person. It's logical for you to kill the other person to survive, but wouldn't you consider it evil to do so? It's evil but ensures that one person would walk out as opposed to none if you did nothing.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;21071207]Humans are emotional, humans decide what is logical, so you could say that all logic stems from emotions. On the flipside, how we feel about various things varies depending on what type of society we live in and what we're told is logical. So you could say that emotion stems from logic. Am I going to have to expand my post a third time or do you get it now[/QUOTE] No, not really. Think of it this way, "I feel it in my gut" is emotional reasoning, "I know it because I have a photograph of scorpio and it looks just like this guy" is logical reasoning. Emotions are subjective, impulsive, and conduct themselves in a separate part of the brain than logical functions.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21071278]I've always seen it as, Good = Generally better for society as a whole. Bad = Generally worse for society as a whole.[/QUOTE] And someone else could have a completely different opinion of the terms. For example, a common one is: Good = Anything I agree with Bad = Anything I don't
[QUOTE=doommarine23;21071175]I think the problem here is that most of you either wish to think with emotion only or logic only. Good people use both at the same time. :colbert:[/QUOTE] Yeeees, in certain situations, maybe, but that has more to do with the limited processing capability of the brain that it does with any inherent benefits of emotional decision making.
I sense that this debate is going nowhere because we basically agree but fail to explain our views properly.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;21071294]And someone else could have a completely different opinion of the terms. For example, a common one is: [B] Good = Anything I agree with Bad = Anything I don't[/B][/QUOTE] Well, I base what I do and don't agree with on Good = Generally better for society as a whole. Bad = Generally worse for society as a whole.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;21071284]No, not really. Think of it this way, "I feel it in my gut" is emotional reasoning, "I know it because I have a photograph of scorpio and it looks just like this guy" is logical reasoning. Emotions are subjective, impulsive, and conduct themselves in a separate part of the brain than logical functions.[/QUOTE] But why do you "feel it in your gut"? Is that really your gut speaking, or how you've been conditioned to think by society? "Looks just like" isn't logical, by the way. It's seat-of-your-pants guesstimation.
[QUOTE=Dr Magnusson;21071282]Not necessarily. You're stuck in a room with oxygen for one person for 3 hours. After 3 hours the door will open. Problem is, you're stuck in there with another person. It's logical for you to kill the other person to survive, but wouldn't you consider it evil to do so? It's evil but ensures that one person would walk out as opposed to none if you did nothing.[/QUOTE] Why is it evil? Seeing the choice as being one person dying, or two people dying, would not having only one person die be closer to the idea of "good"?
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21071306]Well, I base what I do and don't agree with on Good = Generally better for society as a whole. Bad = Generally worse for society as a whole.[/QUOTE] Hitler thought killing the jews was better for society as a whole. Sorry to Godwin but it's true.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;21071319]Hitler thought killing the jews was better for society as a whole. Sorry to Godwin but it's true.[/QUOTE] What's your point?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;21071294]And someone else could have a completely different opinion of the terms. For example, a common one is: Good = Anything I agree with Bad = Anything I don't[/QUOTE] But you'll find that the common perception of evil is anything that harms what someone perceives as them, or more widely as their society. Really it is all subjective, but then seeing as how life is a process of natural selection and society being the dominant form of structure on the Earth, it's only natural to assume that the common perception of evil would be something that harms society.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21071327]What's your point?[/QUOTE] My point is that morality is subjective and you can't conclusively say that anything is inherently "good" or "bad".
[QUOTE=LCBADs;21071318]Why is it evil? Seeing the choice as being one person dying, or two people dying, would not having only one person die be closer to the idea of "good"?[/QUOTE] Surely taking your own life so that the other person could live would be the "good" choice in such a situation?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;21071335]My point is that [B]morality is subjective[/B] and you can't conclusively say that anything is inherently "good" or "bad".[/QUOTE] Thank you for establishing the obvious.
[QUOTE=LCBADs;21071318]Why is it evil? Seeing the choice as being one person dying, or two people dying, would not having only one person die be closer to the idea of "good"?[/QUOTE] The problem is, as you see, is that good and evil are completely and utterly subjective. There is no good or evil. I define them as certain things, but in the end any number of people could and do have a different definition to mine.
[QUOTE=Dr Magnusson;21071341]Surely taking your own life so that the other person could live would be the "good" choice in such a situation?[/QUOTE] Perhaps it would be most logical to see who has a more important role in society. :v:
[QUOTE=Dr Magnusson;21071341]Surely taking your own life so that the other person could live would be the "good" choice in such a situation?[/QUOTE] What if the other person is Hitler? :razz:
[QUOTE=Dr Magnusson;21071341]Surely taking your own life so that the other person could live would be the "good" choice in such a situation?[/QUOTE] Wasn't a choice that you brought up, but I suppose.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;21071354]What if the other person is Hitler? :razz:[/QUOTE] What if you are a Nazi? :razz: [editline]06:40AM[/editline] [QUOTE=LCBADs;21071358]Wasn't a choice that you brought up, but I suppose.[/QUOTE] I feared it would draw attention from the problem I was proposing, and rightly so as you can see above.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21071343]Thank you for establishing the obvious.[/QUOTE] You're welcome.
[QUOTE=Dr Magnusson;21071370]What if you are a Nazi? :razz:[/QUOTE] :munch:
[QUOTE=Dr Magnusson;21071370]What if you are a Nazi? :razz:[/QUOTE] I would never be able to call myself a self-respecting Nazi if wouldn't give my life for Der Fuhrer.
[QUOTE=Dr Magnusson;21071370]What if you are a Nazi? :razz: [editline]06:40AM[/editline] I feared it would draw attention from the problem I was proposing, and rightly so as you can see above.[/QUOTE] What if it's a giant Hitler robot that's going to destroy the Earth but is linked to an invincible and irremovable dead ma's switch that will destroy all other intelligent life in the universe if you stop it? :razz:
[QUOTE=Montroze;21069053]Some people have different views. No one is 100% sure that what they believe is right. If you are- your arrogant, if you aren't congratulations. No one wants to hear either side, end flames before they start... but let us be in common as we observe this flame war our OP has so kindly given, for our own enjoyment [editline]Edit[/editline] I've been taught that many high schoolers choose to be athiest to make themselves look higher in conscience or thinking than others, kinda like that douchebag in grade school who went around telling all the little kitties how Santa didn't exist. Kinda gives a bad name to athiests who truely do not believe, and aren't just doing it for statis[/QUOTE] Honestly, of the few Atheists I know, none of them myself included flaunt it. Hell, I only know one person who actually tells people he is atheist. The rest of us will tell you if you ask, but we won't go out of our way to tell you that we don't believe in your god. On the other hand, you have the Christian extremists who won't leave me the fuck alone because I mentioned I was atheist when asked why I didn't say, "Under god," in the pledge. All he talks about is how I'm going to hell and how I am an unenlightened piece of scum. (Jesus is cool though, he killed an annoying-ass pope with a throwing star)
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;21071404]What if it's a giant Hitler robot that's going to destroy the Earth but is linked to an invincible and irremovable dead ma's switch that will destroy all other intelligent life in the universe if you stop it? :razz:[/QUOTE] What if you're a ghost? :ghost:
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