[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;21071404]What if it's a giant Hitler robot that's going to destroy the Earth but is linked to an invincible and irremovable dead ma's switch that will destroy all other intelligent life in the universe if you stop it? :razz:[/QUOTE]
But robots don't need oxygen. :razz:
[QUOTE=LCBADs;21071440]Did this thread just slow down a lot?[/QUOTE]
Yep. I'm leaving to do homework now.
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[QUOTE=Pascall;21071459]But robots don't need oxygen. :razz:[/QUOTE]
how long have you been here i thought you left
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21071460]Yep. I'm leaving to do homework now.
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how long have you been here i thought you left[/QUOTE]
Nah, I've been hovering just reading what you guys had to say.
[QUOTE=Pascall;21071492]Nah, I've been hovering just reading what you guys had to say.[/QUOTE]
sometimes i realize how many people lurk and dont post. it's kinda creepy.
[img]http://www.amazingsuperpowers.com/comics/2009-05-07-Truth-Potion.png[/img]
It's the truth.
[QUOTE=ShaRose_;21071936][IMG]http://www.amazingsuperpowers.com/comics/2009-05-07-Truth-Potion.png[/IMG]
It's the truth.[/QUOTE]
That is awesome.
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I'm really excited for Mr. Mott's reaction.
Pretty much every student at my school except people from the Middle-east or India are atheists, or just undecided on religion.
But then again I live in Britain, for some reason you guys across the atlantic ocean get shit-tons of religious zealot fuckheads.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;21071404]What if it's a giant Hitler robot that's going to destroy the Earth but is linked to an invincible and irremovable dead ma's switch that will destroy all other intelligent life in the universe if you stop it? :razz:[/QUOTE]
pray to god to stop it
I know Lemonlimecom in real life. I am in this teachers class, and this whole week has been hilarious. Basically our teacher is turning a small discussion into something way out of proportion. Also it seems as though he is trying to preach on the side that science is real, and religion is not. I will try and keep up to date on this little class discussion.
Reminds me of when my English teacher gave us wikipages to make and show to the class. She made it public for everyone, so I proceeded to trash everyone's pages and do all of mine in a word document. She got so frustrated that she locked the whole page and made it invite only. I love it when teachers give online projects.
[quote=aoifern;21083090]i know lemonlimecom in real life. I am in this teachers class, and this whole week has been hilarious. Basically our teacher is turning a small discussion into something way out of proportion. Also it seems as though he is trying to preach on the side that science is real, and religion is not. I will try and keep up to date on this little class discussion.[/quote]
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[QUOTE=Deadly-Virus;21078170]But then again I live in Britain, for some reason you guys across the atlantic ocean get shit-tons of religious zealot fuckheads.[/QUOTE]
I wish I was in your school, assemblys in the one I go to are just "believe in god because of (flawed) reason X"
Once some guy came into an assembly claiming a priest in Haiti donated £10,000 to some hospital then found another £10,000 in his bag later, I shit you not.
[QUOTE=Montroze;21069053]Some people have different views. No one is 100% sure that what they believe is right. If you are- your arrogant, if you aren't congratulations.[/QUOTE]
What about my arrogant?
[QUOTE=Mac2468;21068892]I'm staying out of this one.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, what he said. Stuff like this grinds my gears.
Religious / morality debate aside, sometimes you run across an example of religion bringing stupidity / ignorance and it really is infuriating... Example:
I volunteer at a hospital and when I was discharging anonymous patient X I asked him/her if (s)he was happy to be going home to which (s)he responded "Yea I'm feeling better, praise Jesus". At first I thought (s)he was joking so I laughed a bit, to which (s)he responded negatively. I realized (s)he was being serious so I had to restrain the anger inside and pleasantly bid him/her a good afternoon.
Despite the fact that I do try to remain neutral and respect the views of others, this just pisses me off. How can you spend time in a hospital receiving treatment from nurses and doctors who explain your illness and the methods with which they treat it then go and give all the credit to Jesus?
As has been said by a few others previously I don't really have an issue with people who believe in gods or the supernatural but when I see religion in this context I just get angry...
Sorry to go away from the argument / debate theme of the last few pages but I felt like ranting.
I'm all for atheists stating their views, but those ones who go around insulting religeous people to inflate their ego ae simply those people:
[quote]who went around telling all the little kitties how Santa didn't exist.[/quote]
If their insults are part of some stupid scheme to make them stop believing and loose faith and become an empty shell of a human being like them (note: not an insult to atheists, an insult to the critically inflated egos) think, what good is it doing you, and take not it does nothing but give a bad name to Atheists an piss off religious people.
however, there are times when Religious wingnuts need to be taken down a peg or two, i'm not-atheist, but not overly religious either, and i hate people like Westboro giving us a bad name.
I'm also proud of being russian Orthadox, isn't it funny how Orthadox means old-fashined/traditional, while it's the Catholics that go around spouting conservative bullshit and pissing people off.
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[QUOTE=Deadly-Virus;21078170]Pretty much every student at my school except people from the Middle-east or India are atheists.[/QUOTE]
Just because they don't brandish signs saying "GOD HATES FAGS" does not mean they are atheist.
ask around, you'll probably find a lot of people like me. though i'm assuming you haven't done so already.
[QUOTE=Siminov;21069299]It is stupid why this is debated, all of you are atheists so why would it matter.
wow 10 posts went by since i wrote this.
Debates on religions always turn out bad, neither side comes out on top in the end.[/QUOTE]
Well, we could say that Jesus never came out on top, considering he never had sex.
So Christianity is one big Uke for Atheism's fuck muscle?
My day suddenly got a LOT better.
[QUOTE=Nerdrage;21110370]I'm all for atheists stating their views, but those ones who go around insulting religeous people to inflate their ego ae simply those people:
If their insults are part of some stupid scheme to make them stop believing and loose faith and become an empty shell of a human being like them (note: not an insult to atheists, an insult to the critically inflated egos) think, what good is it doing you, and take not it does nothing but give a bad name to Atheists an piss off religious people.
however, there are times when Religious wingnuts need to be taken down a peg or two, i'm not-atheist, but not overly religious either, and i hate people like Westboro giving us a bad name.
I'm also proud of being russian Orthadox, isn't it funny how Orthadox means old-fashined/traditional, while it's the Catholics that go around spouting conservative bullshit and pissing people off.
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Religion creates excess emotional baggage for a person, it impedes social progress, and creates conflicts where there would not be without it.
All of the good facets of religion can be found in other parts of society/life, so why do we need it? It frustrates many to see all of the harm caused by religion, and know all of the good it creates can be created in other ways.
Science vs Religion is bull almost.
Both sides have just as many equal points, and negative points, religion can say one thing then science questions it, it gets back up with another thing, same for science, they both end at the road of faith/not yet to be discovered.
Being atheist can be good, and bad, the good, less pressure, the bad, you can become lost as you lose some purpose. both need each other, you need to pick one to believe in, and be happy with it.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21070096]You're so neutral, but from my perspective, you just don't scrutinize your beliefs and simply provide an internal justification to yourself to avoid cognitive dissonance.
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If they are personal then why post about them.[/QUOTE]
cognitive dissonance? what are you, a philosophy / psych student? are you trying to use big words to impress people or do you not know how to change the register of your speech to suit your audience?
[QUOTE=that1dude24;21111685]Religion creates excess emotional baggage for a person, it impedes social progress,[/QUOTE]
what the hell are you talking about
you're saying as if i go up to someone and say "Hi my names ****, i'm christian" and then wondering and stressing all day over why someone didn't give them a job and if god has something to do with it.
some people, like me, are people who simply believe that there is a higher power in the universe or that there is an afterlife. and may or may not believe anything the bible says.
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[QUOTE=ScoutKing;21112217]Science vs Religion is bull almost.
Both sides have just as many equal points, and negative points, religion can say one thing then science questions it, it gets back up with another thing, same for science, they both end at the road of faith/not yet to be discovered.
Being atheist can be good, and bad, the good, less pressure, the bad, you can become lost as you lose some purpose. both need each other, you need to pick one to believe in, and be happy with it.[/QUOTE]
agree times a million,
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21070605]These are people who aren't crazy blowing themselves up. They have been taught a truth that isn't true, and they believe it to be the truth, since no one is around to say what does and doesn't make sense based on an actual examination of the natural world. Obviously people with actual mental conditions will be exist.
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Yeah because it totally isn't my problem when people are taught something that isn't a logical truth for the world we live in, and then they go and cause world wide issues.[/QUOTE]
Actually terrorism has been shown to be linked to socio-economic conditions and lack of political power. There are extremist organisations who financially support the families of "martyrs". Religion is not what makes people want to kill themselves - there is a measure of desperation caused by not being heard and you and your people having no political influence on major political powers. When the world does not act against oppression, and to the powerless appears to support their oppressors, hatred is the result. Terrorism has resulted time and time again under these conditions.
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[QUOTE=Dr Magnusson;21071282]Not necessarily.
You're stuck in a room with oxygen for one person for 3 hours. After 3 hours the door will open. Problem is, you're stuck in there with another person.
It's logical for you to kill the other person to survive, but wouldn't you consider it evil to do so? It's evil but ensures that one person would walk out as opposed to none if you did nothing.[/QUOTE]
This assumes the other person wouldn't kill you if you did nothing or that neither of you kill yourselves.
It also assumes that you know for certain there is only oxygen for 3 hrs for one person and that you know for certain the door will open in 3 hrs and that nothing can change that (eg rescue, using less oxygen eg by sleeping, personal fitness levels or what altitude you are conditioned to impacting on how much oxygen you actually require). Real life situations are seldom like that. It also assumes that you physically could kill the other person and that you wouldn't use up more oxygen, both of you struggling for who knows how long, by doing so, which might mean you wouldn't survive anyway.
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On a lighter note:
No religion = no holidays, by definition.
Live and let live.
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[QUOTE=Kybalt;21069453]I didn't state anything anyone is unsure of.
If there is no evidence for the existence of X, the burden of proof lies on the party claiming that X exists. They must show something suggesting that X exists. However, as in the case of X = God, this hasn't happened. Therefor, the logical conclusion is that X, God, doesn't exist. This statement doesn't make any claims as to whether or not X can or cannot exist, nor does it claim to know whether X exists or not, it simply states that based on the current evidence, or there lack of, that X does not exist. Thus the most logical position is the one that believes that X doesn't exist. In the case of god, Atheism.[/QUOTE]
years ago there was no evidence for the existence of subatomic particles, micro-organisms etc, but time allowed that to change. some have argued that there is no evidence to support string theory. time changes things. i also have in mind quantum mechanics and many worlds, theories on multiple universes (eg the mother universe hypothesis where another universe is said to have provided matter & energy for the big bang). when it gets to the point where particles can be going in both directions before we interfere and observe, my mind opens up to believe anything is possible. whether it is probable or not is another matter. so if your conclusion said that it is possible that god exists, but unlikely, this would be a longer, but more accurate and incidentally less drama-inducing statement. perhaps that is agnostic, more than aetheist though. please correct me if i'm wrong. i just think a lot of the drama could be avoided with some tact. you are not going to change the mind of a true believer with logic, and if you are not tactful about it, you just insult people and make them stop listening.
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[QUOTE=Kybalt;21069492]I think T-Minus said it best threads earlier.[/QUOTE]
The problem with the T-Minus quote / argument is that only parts of that are solely religious doctrine. Parts of it are ethics based and the subject of non-religious ethics debates. As humans, we will always have differences in opinion on matters of ethics. So a lack of religion will not solve this problem. And i am all for gay marriage and condom use etc etc by the way.
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