[QUOTE=don818;21069830]Thats not how I think, I think of it as someone like a moderator or hell just a spectator.[/QUOTE]
someone who watches every single thing you do
it's big brother
[QUOTE=thisispain;21069802]i've read the bible, the torah, the qur'an, a whole shit-load of books
that's not really a strong argument (you've never read it)
you don't even know who I am, how can you say something like that
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to be honest, how can you call yourself a human being if you've never pondered this question
without argument, no-one would know why they believe anything[/QUOTE]
Oh I definitely have pondered it. Just haven't bothered arguing with someone about it. I leave that to other people. I'm not a good debater anyways.
[QUOTE=thisispain;21069802]i've read the bible, the torah, the qur'an, a whole shit-load of books
that's not really a strong argument (you've never read it)
you don't even know who I am, how can you say something like that
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It seemed as such you never picked up a bible; but then again you have, My apologies.
[QUOTE=Pascall;21069858]Oh I definitely have pondered it. Just haven't bothered arguing with someone about it. I leave that to other people. I'm not a good debater anyways.[/QUOTE]
you must try arguing
the point is not to win the argument, the point is to find why we believe in things that we do
we believe the sky is blue because we see it and others do, but no-one has seen the afterlife, so why do we believe in it?
life would be boring without argument
[QUOTE=Pascall;21069796][B]I believe what I want to believe and fuck all else.[/B] I'm all for tolerance n' shit, so whatever. I have friends from all walks of life and all types of religions and arguing with them about something as trivial as religion is just stupid.
Arguing about anything trivial is stupid. Debating, I understand, but saying "no ur wrong" doesn't really get anyone anywhere. :v:[/QUOTE]
Yeah let's ignore reality!
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21069821]You're missing my point. You base your morals on other ones, instead of thinking them through. What is wrong with being unforgiving, lustful, or revengeful. As I remember, the bible had quite a bit of revenge in it.[/QUOTE]
Because why should I hold hate inside me? It makes me no better than those who have wronged me or others; I can't lose my self in anger or revenge; I can't hold hate because it destroys you from the inside. I can't hold anger because what does being angry solve? It doesn't really have a point.
I also said a few posts back that I think the Bible is a symbolic story of humanity's corruption and evils.
Oh god damn it, this thread needs to be closed.
[QUOTE=Siminov;21069872]It seemed as such you never picked up a bible; but then again you have, My apologies.[/QUOTE]
pretensions should be sins
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[QUOTE=john_pelphre;21069930]Oh god damn it, this thread needs to be closed.[/QUOTE]
why
[QUOTE=thisispain;21069931]pretensions should be sins
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why[/QUOTE]
Well they ain't.
[QUOTE=Siminov;21069941]Well they ain't.[/QUOTE]
thank you?
[QUOTE=doommarine23;21069924][B]Because why should I hold hate inside me? It makes me no better than those who have wronged me or others; I can't lose my self in anger or revenge; I can't hold hate because it destroys you from the inside. I can't hold anger because what does being angry solve? It doesn't really have a point.
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I also said a few posts back that I think the Bible is a symbolic story of humanity's corruption and evils.[/QUOTE]
Okay, so what does any of that have to do with believing in a god or religion? I'm not questioning your morals, I'm questioning why you feel the need to be religious, despite having your own morals.
[QUOTE=thisispain;21069898]you must try arguing
the point is not to win the argument, the point is to find why we believe in things that we do
we believe the sky is blue because we see it and others do, but no-one has seen the afterlife, so why do we believe in it?
life would be boring without argument[/QUOTE]
But I don't like arguing. :ohdear:
I argue about other things though.
Like..
Food.
[QUOTE=Pascall;21069964]But I don't like arguing. :ohdear:
I argue about other things though.
Like..
Food.[/QUOTE]
I hate food.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21069902]Yeah let's ignore reality![/QUOTE]
I'm not ignoring reality. It's not like I'm TOTALLY ignoring science. I like learning shit like that. I just don't mix science and religious things as.. difficult as that sounds.
[QUOTE=Pascall;21069964][B]But I don't like arguing.[/B] :ohdear:
I argue about other things though.
Like..
Food.[/QUOTE]
How can you claim to believe anything if you can't justify your beliefs in an argument?
[QUOTE=GhostSonic;21069970]I hate food.[/QUOTE]
I love food.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21069953]Okay, so what does any of that have to do with believing in a god or religion? I'm not questioning your morals, I'm questioning why you feel the need to be religious, despite having your own morals.[/QUOTE]
Not so much religious, I just realized one day that Jesus is in my opinion a role model of how people should be. (Of course, people can be themselves; I can't really hate people for who they are)
Call it crazy but I don't really care, I'm actually very fond of Science and don't believe in god; I just see Jesus as a symbolic notion of human morality.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21069997]How can you claim to believe anything if you can't justify your beliefs in an argument?[/QUOTE]
I don't have to justify anything to anyone. My beliefs are my personal beliefs. Unless MY PERSONAL beliefs are affecting YOU in a negative way, which they're not since you don't know me, I don't need to justify them to you. :I
It's my belief that everyone believes in something. For some, a God(s), for others, an item, and others, an entity. Not to say there are no Atheists.
Personally, I believe in the soul. Beyond that, I don't believe in an all-knowing, all-powerful God, or that the mass produced 'copper' statue on my shelf is the savior of mankind.
My opinion, will not be checking this thread, put in my two cents, good day.
[QUOTE=Pascall;21070014][B]I don't have to justify anything to anyone[/B]. My beliefs are my personal beliefs. Unless MY PERSONAL beliefs are affecting YOU in a negative way, which they're not since you don't know me, I don't need to justify them to you. :I[/QUOTE]
If you can't justify them to other people, why do you believe them?
[QUOTE=Pascall;21070014]I don't have to justify anything to anyone. My beliefs are my personal beliefs. Unless MY PERSONAL beliefs are affecting YOU in a negative way, which they're not since you don't know me, I don't need to justify them to you. :I[/QUOTE]
fair enough
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21070039]If you can't justify them to other people, why do you believe them?[/QUOTE]
I can justify them in my own way which might not satisfy you. But since I don't need to here and now, I won't.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21070039]If you can't justify them to other people, why do you believe them?[/QUOTE]
Why does it matter to you? they are called [B]personal[/B] why should he have to justify them to you?
Live and let live. Who is anyone to judge someone else?
Let religionists believe in what they want and let atheists believe in what they want. Different opinions are what make the world so interesting, but you have to learn to grow up and accept that other people sometimes think differently than you.
Just because someone believes something different doesn't make them stupid or ignorant.
I try to love all people like my brothers even if I may disagree with them. Granted sometimes I don't do the best job but I do try.
[QUOTE=jesseluver93;21070072]Live and let live. Who are you to judge someone else?
Let religionists believe in what they want and let atheists believe in what they want. Different opinions are what make the world so interesting, but you have to learn to grow up and accept that other people sometimes think differently than you.
Just because someone believes something different doesn't make them stupid or ignorant.
I try to love all people like my brothers even if I may disagree with them. Granted sometimes I don't do the best job but I do try.[/QUOTE]
Damn it, you took the words right out of my mouth!
:love:
[QUOTE=Pascall;21070063]I can justify them in my own way which might not satisfy you. But since I don't need to here and now, I won't.[/QUOTE]
You're so neutral, but from my perspective, you just don't scrutinize your beliefs and simply provide an internal justification to yourself to avoid cognitive dissonance.
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[QUOTE=doommarine23;21070067]Why does it matter to you? they are called [B]personal[/B] why should he have to justify them to you?[/QUOTE]
If they are personal then why post about them.
[QUOTE=jesseluver93;21070072]Live and let live. Who is anyone to judge someone else?
Let religionists believe in what they want and let atheists believe in what they want. Different opinions are what make the world so interesting, but you have to learn to grow up and accept that other people sometimes think differently than you.
Just because someone believes something different doesn't make them stupid or ignorant.
I try to love all people like my brothers even if I may disagree with them. Granted sometimes I don't do the best job but I do try.[/QUOTE]
I believe it is okay to disagree and express opinions but not to flaming levels or defacing other religions.
[QUOTE=jesseluver93;21070072]Live and let live. Who is anyone to judge someone else?
Let religionists believe in what they want and let atheists believe in what they want. Different opinions are what make the world so interesting, but you have to learn to grow up and accept that other people sometimes think differently than you.
Just because someone [B]believes something different doesn't make them stupid or ignorant.[/B]
I try to love all people like my brothers even if I may disagree with them. Granted sometimes I don't do the best job but I do try.[/QUOTE]
If I believed in elves, wouldn't I be ignorant of reality?
Using this quote again.
[QUOTE=T-Minus10;19282735]Well, if it was just a belief. I'm sure my fellow atheists here wouldn't have much of a problem. But if your beliefs tell you to kill a certain group of people to allow access to heaven, or halt the growth of certain fields of science (stem cells, cloning, etc) that could save or improve the lives of millions, it stops being so harmless, doesn't it? Beliefs aren't very harmless when it's telling people in Africa that condoms are ineffective against aids and pregnancy, causing countless deaths from HIV and complications during childbirth. Beliefs aren't harmless when it's telling people to fly planes into buildings and start holy wars, is it? I have no problem with people who want to believe there is a god and an afterlife, but when it starts to affect the lives and rights of those around them, things must change.
Don't forget those religious who oppose genetic research and alteration of plants, which could potentially feed millions of people in third world countries AND our own, making food cheaper and more abundant. They say we shouldn't play god, but it seems we're already playing god by doing nothing. Some of the pious like to speak against science... See More, but without it, not only would our life spans not be in 80s, but the child mortality rate would be incredibly high, and death during childbirth would be commonplace. If we did not have inorganic farming methods, we would only be able to feed 2/3rds of the world's population, and I find it unlikely that 2 billion people would agree to starve.
To all the other atheists out there preaching that this is the reason why atheist have no respect and don't label themselves as such. Does atheism deserve any respect, and did it even receive any in the first place? As Carl Sagan says, if we don't speak up now and allow such ideals to continue. Our society will fall back into the darkness of a dogmatic world where critical thinking and science is strongly discouraged.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21070096]You're so neutral, but from my perspective, you just don't scrutinize your beliefs and simply provide an internal justification to yourself to avoid cognitive dissonance.[/QUOTE]
I try to stay neutral for the most part. And I like to learn about both science and other religions.
And I wish I knew what the last two words in your post meant. :I
[QUOTE=Pascall;21070123]I try to stay neutral for the most part. And I like to learn about both science and other religions.
[B]And I wish I knew what the last two words in your post meant[/B]. :I[/QUOTE]
[quote=Wiki]Cognitive dissonance is an uncomfortable feeling caused by holding two contradictory ideas simultaneously. The theory of cognitive dissonance proposes that people have a motivational drive to reduce dissonance by changing their attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors, or by justifying or rationalizing them.[2] It is one of the most influential and extensively studied theories in social psychology.[/quote]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance[/url]
It's an interesting read.
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