[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;21071077]Yeah, or logical the Geneva convention says that what you're doing is a war crime and as a prisoner he should be restrained and captured. But no, the big bad logic is evil and wants to kill all babies because it's an emotionless bogeyman![/QUOTE]
What the hell are you even talking about; my point is do you kill the wounded soldier or do you help him?
To make it more obvious to you
Do you shoot the guy, or do you help him with his wounds and bring him in as a POW.
Or hell; walk him back to his camp, I mean why not?
[QUOTE=doommarine23;21071084][url]http://www.harley-davidson-hangout.com/forum/hdrcgb-beer-tent/61756-wwii-german-angel-mercy.html[/url]
German WW2 Ace spared 4 or so English airmen in a B-17, the lead English pilot and German pilot met up 40 or so years later.
Because the German used emotion; those men lived.[/QUOTE]
And anger caused a certain few fellows in the Middle East to cut off the nose and ears of a young girl.
Truly emotion is the great hand of mercy.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;21071090]No, and I never denied it was. I'm saying there's a difference between shooting someone in the foot because he pissed you off and making sure your child has a good life.[/QUOTE]
I have no idea where you got the part about shooting people in the foot from, where did that come from?
I posted a picture of Freud for a reason. You guys are talking about his exact theory.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;21071108]And anger caused a certain few fellows in the Middle East to cut off the nose and ears of a young girl.
Truly emotion is the great hand of mercy.[/QUOTE]
Emotion and Logic are both two way roads.
They can be good or bad and that's what makes us human and why we have morality.
[QUOTE=doommarine23;21071105]What the hell are you even talking about; my point is do you kill the wounded soldier or do you help him?
To make it more obvious to you
Do you shoot the guy, or do you help him with his wounds and bring him in as a POW.
Or hell; walk him back to his camp, I mean why not?[/QUOTE]
Uh, because the guys in the camp will blow your face off. And he will most likely be mended and put back into combat.
You bring him in as a POW if you're not a thick meat headed buffoon. Only an emotional dumbass would just shoot a valuable prisoner who could be traded to the enemy to get back allies.
[QUOTE=Dr Magnusson;21071071]I absolutely am. Do you deny that the main drive in life is reproduction?[/QUOTE]
The "main drive" of reproduction would be an emotion, ingrained in into our species as the only known method of continuing the species.
The overarching goal of life, from a logical standpoint, is to simply keep it alive, not something you try to do in the midst of a population crisis.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;21071108]And anger caused a certain few fellows in the Middle East to cut off the nose and ears of a young girl.
Truly emotion is the great hand of mercy.[/QUOTE]
Of course emotions can be dangerous, but I don't believe decisions barren of it would be much better.
[QUOTE=LCBADs;21071130]The "main drive" of reproduction would be an emotion, ingrained in into our species as the only known method of continuing the species.
The overarching goal of life, from a logical standpoint, is to simply keep it alive, not something you try to do in the [B]midst of a population crisis.[/B][/QUOTE]
Every time someone says this I cringe.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;21071128]Uh, because the guys in the camp will blow your face off. And he will most likely be mended and put back into combat.
You bring him in as a POW if you're not a thick meat headed buffoon. Only an emotional dumbass would just shoot a valuable prisoner who could be traded to the enemy to get back allies.[/QUOTE]
You know, I don't think the enemy would shoot on sight if they saw one of their soldiers be walked back to camp with an unarmed enemy.
We're all humans you know. This isn't COD and people don't really shoot on sight depending on the situation.
Maybe some would; maybe others wouldn't.
One could argue that all logic stems from emotion
Another could argue that all emotion is rooted in society and logic
Neither would be wrong
[QUOTE=Zeke129;21071152]One could argue that [B]all logic stems from emotion
[/B]
Another could argue that all emotion is rooted in society and logic
Neither would be wrong[/QUOTE]
Uh. No. Not at all.
How is logic like 1 + 1 = 2 rooted in emotion?
[QUOTE=Dr Magnusson;21071109]I have no idea where you got the part about shooting people in the foot from, where did that come from?[/QUOTE]
I'm saying that saying emotion is good for making decisions is a retarded claim. On our basest level we're all twitchy, survivalist, xenophobic animals who live to reproduce and not die, if we make decisions absed on our emotions our decisions would be rash, illogical, reactionary, and ineffective if not almost completely detrimental.
[QUOTE=doommarine23;21071125]Emotion and Logic are both two way roads.
They can be good or bad and that's what makes us human and why we have morality.[/QUOTE]
Logic can not lead to good or bad ideas, only logical ones. If anything, logical probably comes closest to the idea of "good".
I think the problem here is that most of you either wish to think with emotion only or logic only.
Good people use both at the same time. :colbert:
[QUOTE=LCBADs;21071171]Logic can not lead to good or bad ideas, only logical ones. If anything, logical probably comes closest to the idea of "good".[/QUOTE]
What is and what isn't the logical decision is based on what your goal is. You can make logical decisions to reach an illogical goal.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21071182]What is and what isn't the logical decision is based on what your goal is. You can make logical decisions to reach an illogical goal.[/QUOTE]
If you are a logically thinking person, why would you be trying to achieve an illogical goal?
[QUOTE=KmScMT;21069072]stupid retard religious people lol (god isnt real btw rofl xd)[/QUOTE]
[img]http://www.catsandbeer.com/uploads/2007/09/tori_laugh.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21071182]What is and what isn't the logical decision is based on what your goal is. You can make logical decisions to reach an illogical goal.[/QUOTE]
That and your logic can be used for something that is harmful or evil to another.
Using logic I could find out how to make poison and kill people.
But because it's logic stated by his ideal than it's a-okay cause logic is the closest to good we have :downs:
Also, you guys care too much about "logical" and "illogical"
It's entertaining to read though
[QUOTE=doommarine23;21071175]I think the problem here is that most of you either wish to think with emotion only or logic only.
Good people use both at the same time. :colbert:[/QUOTE]
We're forgetting that this all came from the logical deduction that god (probably) doesn't exist because there is no evidence for his existence. This deduction would mean that we should always act as if god doesn't exist, until there is evidence to disprove the first claim.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21071145]Every time someone says this I cringe.[/QUOTE]
What why?
[QUOTE=doommarine23;21071125]Emotion and Logic are both two way roads.
They can be good or bad and that's what makes us human and why we have morality.[/QUOTE]
No, Logic has nothing whatsoever to do with morality. All that matters is what you want to accomplish, and that is a wholly emotional variable. All logic does is tell you the best way to accomplish something, if you're a vicious douche and you want to do douchey vicious things, logic will at least let you be an effective vicious douche.
An emotional vicious douche would be someone like a chav, a logical vicious douche would be someone like Stalin.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;21071165]I'm saying that saying emotion is good for making decisions is a retarded claim. On our basest level we're all twitchy, survivalist, xenophobic animals who live to reproduce and not die, if we make decisions absed on our emotions our decisions would be rash, illogical, reactionary, and ineffective if not almost completely detrimental.[/QUOTE]
As I said, making decisions based purely on emotion would be about as bad as making them without any.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21071164]Uh. No. Not at all.
How is logic like 1 + 1 = 2 rooted in emotion?[/QUOTE]
Humans are emotional, humans decide what is logical, so you could say that all logic stems from emotions.
On the flipside, how we feel about various things varies depending on what type of society we live in and what we're told is logical. So you could say that emotion stems from logic.
Am I going to have to expand my post a third time or do you get it now
[QUOTE=Kybalt;21071200]We're forgetting that this all came from the logical deduction that god (probably) doesn't exist because there is no evidence for his existence. This deduction would mean that we should always act as if god doesn't exist, until there is evidence to disprove the first claim.[/QUOTE]
Why are we talking about god now; we just de-railed into a topic of morality.
There also then comes the question, why exactly is good better than evil?
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;21071204]No, Logic has nothing whatsoever to do with morality. All that matters is what you want to accomplish, and that is a wholly emotional variable. All logic does is tell you the best way to accomplish something, if you're a vicious douche and you want to do douchey vicious things, logic will at least let you be an effective vicious douche.
An emotional vicious douche would be someone like a chav, a logical vicious douche would be someone like Stalin.[/QUOTE]
Logic can be used for bad or evil is my point; just as emotion.
Not that they are evil them-selves emotion and logic but that they can be.
[QUOTE=doommarine23;21071196]That and your logic can be used for something that is harmful or evil to another.
Using logic I could find out how to make poison and kill people.
But because it's logic stated by his ideal than it's a-okay cause logic is the closest to good we have :downs:
Also, you guys care too much about "logical" and "illogical"
It's entertaining to read though[/QUOTE]
Logic has nothing to do with morality, seriously, you saying logic is good or evil is like me saying a calculator is good or evil.
Oh, fuck we care too much, oh the humanity.
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[QUOTE=doommarine23;21071222]Logic can be used for bad or evil is my point; just as emotion.
Not that they are evil them-selves emotion and logic but that they can be.[/QUOTE]
As am I, however, at least logic will do it [I]well.[/I]
[QUOTE=LCBADs;21071192]If you are a logically thinking person, why would you be trying to achieve an [B]illogical goal[/B]?[/QUOTE]
Because what is an illogical goal may be much more abstract then the steps needed to reach it. For example, converting an entire land from one religion, to another. Is this a logical goal? No, logically religion isn't correct. But are the logical steps you could take to reach it? Yes, meaning, the steps would accomplish the required goal. There are many logical solutions to that issue, like exterminating the indigenous population and resettling the land. It is a logical step, as it would accomplish the goal.
[QUOTE=emPiRe14;21071213]There also then comes the question, why exactly is good better than evil?[/QUOTE]
depends on your thought of it. Good and Evil are not absolute.
You may think raping people is okay, I do not.
It is what you emotionally agree with and what you begin to regret. That really is why "Good" things to you is better than "Bad" things.
I know I'll regret things that are "bad" to me.
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