• Conspiracy bullshit
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[QUOTE=joe588;29619752]occams razor - the simplest explanation is usually the correct explanation. [/QUOTE] I could just as easily argue occams razor over the fact that you believe the government's story. There are a lot of things that need to be assumed in that case that you haven't taken into account. Quite frankly the fact of the matter is that the government has, time and time again, used atrocious acts of civilian violence to meet an end. Oil, imperialism, and the military industrial complex, whatever you want to call the U.S. presence in the middle east, was that end.
The problem with conspiracy theorists is they set incredibly high standards of proof and credibility for official sources and incredibly low standards of proof and credibility for random shit from the internet Or at least put them on equal footing and go "well I'm not saying I believe it it's just INTERESTING...who are we to say which is right??"
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;29619363]You are reading the bullshit leaked to cause confusion and misinformation. The leaked bullshit is essentially what you are believing in, the real information is shit that you have no interest in because it isn't as interesting. Stuff like army movements, nuclear weapon development, paper forces of the armed forces, etc which is the real information and not the bullshit you read in. What of Alexander the Great? Caesar? Genghis Khan? Frederick the Great? Napoleon? The First world war? Crimean war? Great northern war? 30 years war? Industrial Revolution? Is that all a fabrication?[/QUOTE] If you have learned so much history I'm sure you know of the Black Hand, the fraternal secret society that killed Franz Ferdinand. So are you suggesting that all secret fraternal societies don't exist and that any evidence of them should be disregarded - despite the fact you haven't seen it? Sounds a bit closed minded doesn't it?
:v: Slenderman has a better chance of existing then almost all conspiracy theories.
[QUOTE=TH89;29621326]The problem with conspiracy theorists is they set incredibly high standards of proof and credibility for official sources and incredibly low standards of proof and credibility for random shit from the internet Or at least put them on equal footing and go "well I'm not saying I believe it it's just INTERESTING...who are we to say which is right??"[/QUOTE] If you actually read the thread you'd realize that you're dead wrong. The entire time I've suggested that internet sources are the least trustworthy, and that hard copies of real documents and books etc. are much more credible. Those with enough documented, factual, evidence to support them I give attention to. Others not so much.
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;29621389]If you actually read the thread you'd realize that you're dead wrong. The entire time I've suggested that internet sources are the least trustworthy, and that hard copies of real documents and books etc. are much more credible. Those with enough documented, factual, evidence to support them I give attention to. Others not so much.[/QUOTE] That's not what I remember from the 9/11 thread :v:
[QUOTE=TH89;29621436]That's not what I remember from the 9/11 thread :v:[/QUOTE] I've not memorized every logical fallacy, but is there one for making the assumption that because someone does something once, then thats what happens every time? Oh wait yep. :downs:
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;29621345]If you have learned so much history I'm sure you know of the Black Hand, the fraternal secret society that killed Franz Ferdinand. So are you suggesting that all secret fraternal societies don't exist and that any evidence of them should be disregarded - despite the fact you haven't seen it? Sounds a bit closed minded doesn't it?[/QUOTE] No for fucks sake how thick are you? The First World War wasn't started by the black hand. It started because of a long series of events that had been occurring for several decades. After the Napoleonic wars each nation wished to keep the status quo, and formed a large chain of alliances to try and discourage these wars. There is the arms race between the different nations, such as Germany and Britains Dreadnought race. Have you heard of Russia trying to extend influence in the Balkans or Germany becoming a superpower? Have you read about how Britain felt threatened as they stood at the top and seeked to build up the military? What about the nationalism that occurred in all the nations that took place? The Franco-Prussian war where France wanted revenge on Germany? The wars in which Russia expanded at the cost of the Ottomans? Jesus fuck all those factors came into play, The war very nearly started earlier but Russia was not yet ready for war. The archduke was shot and Austria invaded Serbia, both demanding help in the war. Fucking hell, Germany, France and Britain all wanted a war to serve their interests/revenge. The Black hand was an anarchist group, all it did was provide the spark to the war, it would have happened anyways given some more time on its own.
Yeah guys, the Illuminati totally want the whole world to know about them. And secrets are also impossible to keep.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;29621544]No for fucks sake how thick are you? The First World War wasn't started by the black hand. It started because of a long series of events that had been occurring for several decades. After the Napoleonic wars each nation wished to keep the status quo, and formed a large chain of alliances to try and discourage these wars. There is the arms race between the different nations, such as Germany and Britains Dreadnought race. Have you heard of Russia trying to extend influence in the Balkans or Germany becoming a superpower? Have you read about how Britain felt threatened as they stood at the top and seeked to build up the military? What about the nationalism that occurred in all the nations that took place? The Franco-Prussian war where France wanted revenge on Germany? The wars in which Russia expanded at the cost of the Ottomans? Jesus fuck all those factors came into play, The war very nearly started earlier but Russia was not yet ready for war. The archduke was shot and Austria invaded Serbia, both demanding help in the war. Fucking hell, Germany, France and Britain all wanted a war to serve their interests/revenge. The Black hand was an anarchist group, all it did was provide the spark to the war, it would have happened anyways given some more time on its own.[/QUOTE] First off, no need for using ad hominem to try and prove your point. It doesn't. It just makes you look like an asshole. Secondly, I didn't even say anything other than refer to the black hand as a secret society. You are yet again begging the question...
[QUOTE=THEMikeDurham;29621581]Yeah guys, the Illuminati totally want the whole world to know about them[/QUOTE] "Secrets exist, therefore this complicated secret organization I believe in is real"
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;29621615]First off, no need for using ad hominem to try and prove your point. It doesn't. It just makes you look like an asshole. Secondly, I didn't even say anything other than refer to the black hand as a secret society. You are yet again begging the question...[/QUOTE] You implied the Black Hand was responsible for the First World War. It wasn't. It's like saying one poster on a forum is responsible for a flame war when it was actually due to the participants and their immense hatred of each other beforehand. Your conspiracies aren't even hypothesises, let alone theories. Tell me, was Napoleons invasion of Russia an inside job?
The Illuminati is a fake ruse to distract us from the actual secret organization. I know this because of a lot of really vague clues and assumptions.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;29621720]The Illuminati is a fake ruse to distract us from the actual secret organization. I know this because of a lot of really vague clues and assumptions.[/QUOTE] Here's a shocker for you. 20th century? Never happened.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;29621720]The Illuminati is a fake ruse to distract us from the actual secret organization. I know this because of a lot of really vague clues and assumptions.[/QUOTE] The Illuminati was invented by white dudes who wanted to fight the man but they couldn't because they were the man
[QUOTE=TH89;29621748]The Illuminati was invented by white dudes who wanted to fight the man but they couldn't because they were the man[/QUOTE] And then TH89 was the man.
Here's the government making their contribution of fake conspiracy theories. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo[/media]
[QUOTE=TH89;29621643]"Secrets exist, therefore this complicated secret organization I believe in is real"[/QUOTE] There are hard documents proving the existence of these complex secret fraternal societies. Instead of pulling bs like this out of your ass, why don't you actual debate me? You have nothing that's why. On the other hand, I have classified government documents.
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;29621826]There are hard documents proving the existence of these complex secret fraternal societies. Instead of pulling bs like this out of your ass, why don't you actual debate me? You have nothing that's why. [B]On the other hand, I have classified government documents.[/B][/QUOTE] Oh yeah? Show us pictures of them tough man.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;29621834]Oh yeah? Show us pictures of them tough man.[/QUOTE] Ahaha, how would that be proper evidence? You'd think you've seen real evidence when you see what you expect to see.
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;29621826]I have classified government documents.[/QUOTE] :allears:
[QUOTE=THEMikeDurham;29621843]Ahaha, how would that be proper evidence?[/QUOTE] He claims to have government documents. I call bullshit, unless he provides the word conspiracy theorists love to throw around: [B]EVIDENCE[/B]
[QUOTE=THEMikeDurham;29621843]Ahaha, how would that be proper evidence? You'd think you've seen real evidence when you see what you expect to see.[/QUOTE] "We have secret government documents that prove we're right, but you can't look at them because you wouldn't believe us!"
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;29621870]He claims to have government documents. I call bullshit, unless he provides the word conspiracy theorists love to throw around: [B]EVIDENCE[/B][/QUOTE] If he showed you a picture of a piece of fucking paper with writing on it, and it looked official enough to you, you'd believe it, whether it's a real document or not. lol
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;29621870]He claims to have government documents. I call bullshit, unless he provides the word conspiracy theorists love to throw around: [B]EVIDENCE[/B][/QUOTE] I've stated several times already how you can acquire this information for yourself. I could either A: figure out how my scanner works, or B: you can go to your local bookstore and [B]buy[/B] [B]Behold a Pale Horse.[/B]
[QUOTE=TH89;29621874]"We have secret government documents that prove we're right, but you can't look at them because you wouldn't believe us!"[/QUOTE] What I'm saying is that if he showed the document, whether it's legit or not, people will most likely believe it if it looks official enough. Which is totally stupid if you think about it.
Here's the opening quote of the book: "One basic truth can be used as a foundation for a mountain of lies, and if we dig down deep enough in the mountain of lies, and bring out that truth, to set it on top of the mountain of lies; the entire mountain of lies will crumble under the weight of that one truth, and there is nothing more devastating to a structure of lies than the revelation of the truth upon which the structure of lies was built, because the shock waves of the revelation of the truth reverberate, and continue to reverberate throughout the Earth for generations to follow, awakening even those people who had no desire to be awaken to the truth." - Delamer Duverus
This is one of those things I can't tell when the conspiracy nuts are actually being serious about their beliefs. Yeah, the deal is that you guys either move the goalposts back every time you get presented evidence (and say "It's a coverup" or something similar when the goal has moved the circumference of the world to the backside of the other goal), or let us present evidence, move on to another subject for 3 pages, and then come back asking the same question (sometimes by people who didn't bother reading the pages at all, and can't be bothered to actually learn anything) See thread over: 9-11, Creepy shit, Osama, other threads that are probably months old by now
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[QUOTE=TH89;29622004][img_thumb]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3677532/IMG_0533.jpg[/img_thumb] D:[/QUOTE] Fuck man you might wanna rehost that they're backtrace you and the consequnces will never be the same [editline]sad[/editline] [QUOTE=ShukaidoX;29621992]Here's the opening quote of the book: "One basic truth can be used as a foundation for a mountain of lies, and if we dig down deep enough in the mountain of lies, and bring out that truth, to set it on top of the mountain of lies; the entire mountain of lies will crumble under the weight of that one truth, and there is nothing more devastating to a structure of lies than the revelation of the truth upon which the structure of lies was built, because the shock waves of the revelation of the truth reverberate, and continue to reverberate throughout the Earth for generations to follow, awakening even those people who had no desire to be awaken to the truth." - Delamer Duverus[/QUOTE] Which is nice and good by itself, and it's not like all conspiracies are fake, but this quote shouldn't tell you to ignore any and all evidence to the contrary.
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