[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;29622617]Wikipedia can be edited by anyone. It's nonsense to use as evidence in this argument and it doesn't take a genius to figure out why.[/QUOTE]
Wikipedia also reverts edits that are not supported by credible sources, and edits to contentious articles are held to a high standard of verifiability.
[QUOTE=TH89;29622602]A long record of providing accurate information to the best of its ability, and of correcting information if it's found to be false, makes a source reliable.
Of course, if you're so much of a conspiracy theorist that you believe credible news organizations such as The New York Times are being controlled by the conspiracy, your ideas become impossible to disprove and therefore invalid.[/QUOTE]
It's easy to provide accurate information, especially when it's no big harm to you releasing them. And whenever you need to, you can easily misinform people. And there's not always other sources of information to disprove those lies. And that's where you get fucked.
Conspiracy theorists are people who failed high school history/physics/etc and seek to rectify it by filling in the gaps with what they think it to be. After this they look at something and suddenly realise they can try do something with it.
From that point on its a simple process of converting coffee into bullshit. They defend their theories with arguments such as "I am an arrogant wanker" and "The Masons/Man/Jebus/Aluminium/robothitler control the worlds media/banks/governments/armies/corporations"
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Messed up the other two I took so that's all for right now.
[editline]5th May 2011[/editline]
Wikipedia can be edited by anyone. It's nonsense to use as evidence in this argument and it doesn't take a genius to figure out why.[/QUOTE]
I sent this, along with all the information I could gather on you to the CIA. Panicking yet?
[QUOTE=THEMikeDurham;29622517]What makes a source reliable? What says they're going to be 100% truthful? You don't understand what happens when someone writes something that a lot of people read and believe to be true. And if you did, you'd understand why some people would like to lie about some things.[/QUOTE]
So what, all information that's anti establishment must be truthful and accurate due to it's anti establishment nature alone?
I'm not going to say that all information is reliable, but you're making an incredibly extraordinary claim that goes against absolutely everything commonly known about people, governmental structures, and ideology.
What information do you have that points towards some sort of conspiracy, how do you know it's reliable besides the fact that it's anti establishment(which isn't a reason for it's being reliable by the way), and if you can't answer either of those questions, why the fuck are you being so goddamned bitchy?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;29622713]Conspiracy theorists are people who failed high school history/physics/etc and seek to rectify it by filling in the gaps with what they think it to be. After this they look at something and suddenly realise they can try do something with it.
From that point on its a simple process of converting coffee into bullshit. They defend their theories with arguments such as "I am an arrogant wanker" and "The Masons/Man/Jebus/Aluminium/robothitler control the worlds media/banks/governments/armies/corporations"[/QUOTE]
With a world filled with naive people like you, there would definitely be people exploiting you.
ITT [img]http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/upload/2009/04/weekend_diversion_do_tinfoil_h/tinfoil-hat.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=THEMikeDurham;29622694]It's easy to provide accurate information, especially when it's no big harm to you releasing them. And whenever you need to, you can easily misinform people. And there's not always other sources of information to disprove those lies. And that's where you get fucked.[/QUOTE]
Major media outlets self-regulate because if the public loses faith in them they will no longer be successful businesses. Furthermore they watch each other closely--being the one to break a story about corruption and misinformation from a major news agency equals money and viewers/readers.
[QUOTE=THEMikeDurham;29622748]With a world filled with naive people like you, there would definitely be people exploiting you.[/QUOTE]
First point, throwing boxes at people you disagree with is the best way to lose the argument
Secondly, wikipedia isn't reliable.
Third, I'm still waiting on those "classified government documents"
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;29622739]So what, all information that's anti establishment must be truthful and accurate due to it's anti establishment nature alone?
I'm not going to say that all information is reliable, but you're making an incredibly extraordinary claim that goes against absolutely everything commonly known about people, governmental structures, and ideology.
What information do you have that points towards some sort of conspiracy, how do you know it's reliable besides the fact that it's anti establishment(which isn't a reason for it's being reliable by the way), and if you can't answer either of those questions, why the fuck are you being so goddamned bitchy?[/QUOTE]
You can't believe something just because it's anti-establishment. Keep in mind every time you read something and accept it as the truth, lie, or the possibility of being either, it changes the way you think and act.
[QUOTE=THEMikeDurham;29622694]It's easy to provide accurate information, especially when it's no big harm to you releasing them. And whenever you need to, you can easily misinform people. And there's not always other sources of information to disprove those lies. And that's where you get fucked.[/QUOTE]
So how exactly do you even know you're getting fucked if you can't even prove that you are in the first place?
I mean look at North Korea. That's a situation in which all information is controlled and the people are undoubtedly getting fucked. How would they know they're getting fucked? [I]Because they aren't even able to ask that question in the first place.[/I]
People are stupid, self centered, and greedy. The "elite" aren't any different. They're no better at controlling entire populations of people than Sony is at protecting it's user information. Even if they could the organization would have fallen apart after a decade because it's made up of power hungry egomaniac geniuses, who as we all know don't work well together on a team.
I had to walk past a masonic lodge today and I felt strange energies being emitted by the building
I later noticed the dryer vent
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;29622617]Wikipedia can be edited by anyone. It's nonsense to use as evidence in this argument and it doesn't take a genius to figure out why.[/QUOTE]
William Cooper repudiated his UFO ideas in his paper Majestytwelve, which you can find copies of all over the internet ([url=http://www.hourofthetime.com/majestyt.htm]here's a link[/url])
Relevant:
[quote=William Cooper]The plan for the creation of a socialist world government is protected by an artificial extraterrestrial threat from space. The entire UFO phenomenon and the uFOOLogy movement has been created to further the protection and activation of the plan.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Greenen72;29622808]First point, throwing boxes at people you disagree with is the best way to lose the argument
Secondly, wikipedia isn't reliable.
Third, I'm still waiting on those "classified government documents"[/QUOTE]
Of course wikipedia isn't reliable, it's fucking biased.
[QUOTE=THEMikeDurham;29622842]Of course wikipedia isn't reliable, it's fucking biased.[/QUOTE]
Ok I get it we are stupid. But can I have proof that proves me stupid?
[QUOTE=THEMikeDurham;29622811]You can't believe something just because it's anti-establishment. Keep in mind every time you read something and accept it as the truth, lie, or the possibility of being either, it changes the way you think and act.[/QUOTE]
You somehow seem to think that conspiracy theorists (or hypothesists, rather) do research with credibility in mind. Or plain research.
[editline]4th May 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=THEMikeDurham;29622842]Of course wikipedia isn't reliable, it's fucking biased.[/QUOTE]
Biased =/= trying to be factual
[QUOTE=THEMikeDurham;29622811]Keep in mind every time you read something and accept it as the truth, lie, or the possibility of being either, it changes the way you think and act.[/QUOTE]
This sentence is grammatically untenable. I'm honestly not trying to be pedantic here, but you keep writing these sentences that are essentially gibberish and it makes it hard to actually debate you and also makes you seem kind of crazy. You might want to proofread your posts.
[QUOTE=THEMikeDurham;29622811]You can't believe something just because it's anti-establishment. Keep in mind every time you read something and accept it as the truth, lie, or the possibility of being either, it changes the way you think and act.[/QUOTE]
Of course I know that, I'm not a bloody child. But you're so fucking paranoid and obsessed with that fact you're unable to accept any information at all that doesn't point towards a worst case scenario.
You're caught in a solipsist loop, where you can't prove that anything is actually true, but you want desperately to know what is the truth. And, unwilling to make use of Occam's Razor, you're going in circles trying to prove something with the fact that you can't prove anything.
[QUOTE=THEMikeDurham;29622748]With a world filled with naive people like you, there would definitely be people exploiting you.[/QUOTE]
How am I being exploited? I don't even work yet I study physics at school, try to get a female friend, play games and argue on the internet.
Does the government man come into my house to fondle me in my sleep to tell if I am a sheep or not?
I don't work in a cotton mill for 16 hours a day while a fat man laughs while cruelly putting babies into a furnace.
[QUOTE=THEMikeDurham;29622842]Of course wikipedia isn't reliable, it's fucking biased.[/QUOTE]
Wikipedia, by design, ferrets out and deletes material that's biased. Any claim has to be cited. A well-edited and regulated Wikipedia page is one of the least biased sources you're going to find.
[QUOTE=TH89;29622840]William Cooper repudiated his UFO ideas in his paper Majestytwelve, which you can find copies of all over the internet ([url=http://www.hourofthetime.com/majestyt.htm]here's a link[/url])
Relevant:[/QUOTE]
I don't see anything in there about him repudiating his ideas. If anything it seems like he's trying to get them out there. There are more government documents in that link :v:
[QUOTE=Zeke129;29622835]I had to walk past a masonic lodge today and I felt strange energies being emitted by the building
I later noticed the dryer vent[/QUOTE]
My grandpa is a Mason.
He's an old guy who can't hear, who doesn't understand how technology works and who can't remember how to pronounce "3DS".
I tried to find his book online prior to getting a hard copy. I downloaded it from his website first and half the pages were X-ed out blank. So if you do find something in there, don't rule out the possibility his website's content has been compromised.
My automerge!
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;29622890]Of course I know that, I'm not a bloody child. But you're so fucking paranoid and obsessed with that fact you're unable to accept any information at all that doesn't point towards a worst case scenario.
You're caught in a solipsist loop, where you can't prove that anything is actually true, but you want desperately to know what is the truth. And, unwilling to make use of Occam's Razor, you're going in circles trying to prove something with the fact that you can't prove anything.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's fucking it, we don't really know anything for sure. And the things we do know, don't really help us that much. But the ones who really know what's going on, are telling you what they want you to think. And you can't prove otherwise, so you blindly believe it.
[editline]4th May 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;29622957]although don't rule out the possibility his website's content has been compromised.
My automerge!:saddowns:[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's why we should talk to William Cooper in person, so we can know what he really thinks, and not what other people are trying to say he thought and knew.
Anyone seen William Cooper around lately?
[editline]4th May 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=TH89;29622927]Wikipedia, by design, ferrets out and deletes material that's biased. Any claim has to be cited. A well-edited and regulated Wikipedia page is one of the least biased sources you're going to find.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it deletes any material that's not supporting its bias.
[QUOTE=THEMikeDurham;29622964]Yeah, that's fucking it, we don't really know anything for sure. And the things we do know, don't really help us that much. But the ones who really know what's going on, are telling you what they want you to think. And you can't prove otherwise, so you blindly believe it.[/QUOTE]
You seem to think all the facts in the world come from a single person who doesn't want to tell you anything. There are plenty of people in the world who would do it, like Assange, for the fame and morality (for the stuff that actually helped from releasing). Motive goes both ways in the conspiracy setup.
And anyways, anything that's big enough to be considered a conspiracy has to have a lot of people in on it. That's a lot of people to rat it out
I know somebody who was a templar.
He told me all they did was meet up at some club and have a good time. I went down on a trip to Berwick Upon Tweed to visit him where he owned a small garage maintaining various cars. He gave me a bag of toy soldiers then I took the train back up. He also told me about how they told people about the history of various knightly orders on the radio and dispelling myths. I asked him questions myself and he said that only paranoid people thought there was something wrong.
He certainly sounds like an all powerful man who controls the world and spreads lies to keep us from the truth.
I also have been to Roslyn chapel (Being that I live near it) and honestly there is nothing special about it. The room where all the secret shit is, is actually a broom cupboard.
[QUOTE=Greenen72;29623029]You seem to think all the facts in the world come from a single person who doesn't want to tell you anything. There are plenty of people in the world who would do it, like Assange, for the fame and morality (for the stuff that actually helped from releasing). Motive goes both ways in the conspiracy setup[/QUOTE]
What was Assange going to get out of it if he didn't say shit? lol
I have a theory that conspiracy theorists are that way because they get bored with their lives and as a result of that they immerse themselves in narcissistic delusions that they are the only are the only 'real' person in a world of sheep and they pretend they're in a lousy George Orwell novel in an attempt to make life more interesting. If you're going to go insane, at least do it in a cool way like breaking into a zoo and freeing all the animals armed with a flamethrower in case people try to stop you.
[QUOTE=THEMikeDurham;29623051]What was Assange going to get out of it if he didn't say shit? lol[/QUOTE]
Kind of my point? He had the opportunity of fame if he told it, so he did.
[QUOTE=pie_is_good;29623077]I have a theory that conspiracy theorists are that way because they get bored with their lives and as a result of that they immerse themselves in narcissistic delusions that they are the only are the only 'real' person in a world of sheep and they pretend they're in a lousy George Orwell novel in an attempt to make life more interesting. If you're going to go insane, at least do it in a cool way like breaking into a zoo and freeing all the animals armed with a flamethrower in case people try to stop you.[/QUOTE]
Actually, I had many different ideas for what I wanted to do in life, but none of them I can complete because of the NWO. No, I wasn't bored with life. Life is fucking awesome.
[QUOTE=THEMikeDurham;29622964]Yeah, that's fucking it, we don't really know anything for sure. And the things we do know, don't really help us that much. But the ones who really know what's going on, are telling you what they want you to think. And you can't prove otherwise, so you blindly believe it.
[editline]4th May 2011[/editline]
Yeah, that's why we should talk to William Cooper in person, so we can know what he really thinks, and not what other people are trying to say he thought and knew.
Anyone seen William Cooper around lately?
[editline]4th May 2011[/editline]
Yeah, it deletes any material that's not supporting its bias.[/QUOTE]
Like I said solipsist loop.
If you're willing to believe the worst scenario possibly based solely on the fact that if it were true you wouldn't be able to prove it, why not believe anything else that falls into the same category?
Why don't you believe that you're living in a vat on an alien space ship and are being used as an incubator for their young, and your whole life is a computer simulation?
Why don't you believe that the world actually is flat and there's a cosmic entity known as V'ger who bends space and time to make it appear round?
Why don't you believe in Scientology?
[editline]5th May 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=THEMikeDurham;29623110]Actually, I had many different ideas for what I wanted to do in life, but none of them I can complete because of the NWO. No, I wasn't bored with life. Life is fucking awesome.[/QUOTE]
How did the NWO prevent you from doing anything, please tell us.
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