• Conspiracy bullshit
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[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;29623512]Can you actually tell me what happened or are you going to speak in riddles like a retarded Sphinx?[/QUOTE] What part of that did you not understand. It's a simple philosophy. These people are literally at war with us in the most secret indistinguishable way possible. They still meet every year to this day. [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;29623512] If anything could be part of a conspiracy, how could you prove yourself wrong? For all you know I'm part of the conspiracy too. So anything I say could be biased and not trustworthy. For all you know the NWO is the invention of aliens to mislead you so you can be more easily subverted.[/QUOTE] I don't know where you get the idea I said that. My point is this guy was killed for this stuff, so whoever killed him took it pretty seriously and we should too. I believe if they are willing to kill a man, then they take it seriously enough to edit information online, and if you don't think they would too you're naive.
[QUOTE=THEMikeDurham;29623110]Actually, I had many different ideas for what I wanted to do in life, but none of them I can complete because of the NWO.[/QUOTE] Care to share some of them? :allears:
[QUOTE=TH89;29623685]Care to share some of them? :allears:[/QUOTE] It looks like we scared him off with all of our fact-using witchcraft
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;29623667]What part of that did you not understand. It's a simple philosophy. These people are literally at war with us in the most secret indistinguishable way possible. They still meet everywhere to this day. I don't know where you get the idea I said that. My point is this guy was killed for this stuff, so whoever killed him took it pretty seriously and we should too. They take it seriously enough to edit information online, and if you don't think they would too you're naive.[/QUOTE] That's not philosophy. Philosophy deals in the 'whys' that can't be explored by science. It's all about logic and figuring out how to look at the world rationally and all that, you know, stuff you should have read before posting. 1. I don't know who you're referring to. 2. Plenty of people who make identical claims every day aren't murdered, so what makes him so special? 3. How do you know he was killed for a purpose? 4. How do you know the internet is being edited for any specific agenda? You're not answering anything, you're just making more assertions.
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;29623667]My point is this guy was killed for this stuff, so whoever killed him took it pretty seriously and we should too.[/QUOTE] No, this is a circular argument. Do you have any evidence that he was killed for his writings other than his own claims that the government was after him? His behavior is precisely consistent with that of a paranoid schizophrenic, so why is that not a reasonable conclusion?
[QUOTE=TH89;29623620]This is exactly it. Any rational theory MUST be disprovable. If it's not disprovable, it's not viable at all. How do you know the book you got from the library wasn't edited by people who are part of the conspiracy too? Where does that line of thinking end?[/QUOTE] If ANY rational theory MUST be disprovable, disprove the theory of evolution. We're talking about a book written in 1991. I doubt that they took every book in circulation and edited them, to assume that would be absurd.
And you never said any of that, I was making a point. I was demonstrating that your logic is flawed and if it were universally applied would lead you to believe in all kinds of complete nonsense. [editline]5th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ShukaidoX;29623760]If ANY rational theory MUST be disprovable, disprove the theory of evolution. We're talking about a book written in 1991. I doubt that they took every book in circulation and edited them, to assume that would be absurd.[/QUOTE] Find a rabbit skeleton in Cambrian rock. There you go, evolution disproved. Why would it be absurd? If they can edit the entire internet, why can't they edit all books?
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;29623760]If ANY rational theory MUST be disprovable, disprove the theory of evolution.[/QUOTE] Sorry, I should have said hypothesis. [QUOTE=ShukaidoX;29623760]We're talking about a book written in 1991. I doubt that they took every book in circulation and edited them, to assume that would be absurd.[/QUOTE] Is your copy from 1991? How do you know?
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;29623760]If ANY rational theory MUST be disprovable, disprove the theory of evolution. We're talking about a book written in 1991. I doubt that they took every book in circulation and edited them, to assume that would be absurd.[/QUOTE] The ability to disprove something =/= disproving it. It's possible to disprove evolution by showing something something like a human that lived before the trilobites, but you can't disprove any conspiracy theory, where any evidence to the contrary is a red herring. Same with creationism. You can't disprove it.
[QUOTE=TH89;29623796]Sorry, I should have said hypothesis.[/QUOTE] Theories can be disproved as well. I mean they are born from hypotheses, and as such are subject to the same rules. It's just damn unlikely they ever will be disproved because they're self evidently true. [editline]5th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Greenen72;29623812]The ability to disprove something =/= disproving it. It's possible to disprove evolution by showing something something like a human that lived before the trilobites, but you can't disprove any conspiracy theory, where any evidence to the contrary is a red herring. Same with creationism. You can't disprove it.[/QUOTE] Note that this would only disprove the Darwinian model of evolution via natural selection. It's still an observed fact that things evolved. The only way to disprove that would be to show that every single experiment involving the studying of evolution is actually false and all of the medicine that was discovered using such experiments was completely coincidental.
Osama Obama knocked down the twin towers!!!
@Scorpio: 1. A few of the people utilizing silent weapons for quiet wars are: The Rothschilds, House of Rockefeller, Bilderbergers, Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations, and many more. 2. I mentioned it earlier but I'll say it again. This guy served in the air force, the navy and was a part of top secret naval intelligence. He served on a submarine as well. During his time, he acquired various documents that substantiated these ideas. So much so he spent $30,000 to see to it the information was spread far and wide. He lost his leg in a car accident after he was run off the road by an unmarked car and was killed shortly after 9/11 for spreading the information he had acquired. 3. See two. 4. It's not something I can prove, but merely conjecture.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;29623828]Theories can be disproved as well. I mean they are born from hypotheses, and as such are subject to the same rules. It's just damn unlikely they ever will be disproved because they're self evidently true.[/QUOTE] Theories are pseudo-proven hypotheses. They're true to most extents, but can be disproven or modified if evidence to the contrary comes up (Like gravity, maybe dark matter is just a new variable in the gravity equation that can be ignored at the human-level). They're generally never disproven because they were pseudoproven in the first place. There are relatively few laws of the universe, and some are by definition or convention [editline]4th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ShukaidoX;29623877]@Scorpio: 1. A few of the people utilizing silent weapons for quiet wars are: The Rothschilds, House of Rockefeller, Bilderbergers, Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations, and many more. 2. I mentioned it earlier but I'll say it again. This guy served in the air force, the navy and was a part of top secret naval intelligence. He served on a submarine as well. During his time, he acquired various documents that substantiated these ideas. So much so he spent $30,000 to see to it the information was spread far and wide. He lost his leg in a car accident after he was run off the road by an unmarked car and was killed shortly after 9/11 for spreading the information he had acquired. 3. See two. 4. It's not something I can prove, but merely conjecture.[/QUOTE] See, the problem with this whole post is that 4th point
[QUOTE=Greenen72;29623892] See, the problem with this whole post is that 4th point[/QUOTE] It's in reference to the wikipedia editing comment as well as possibly william cooper's personal website. Nothing more.
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;29623877]@Scorpio: 1. A few of the people utilizing silent weapons for quiet wars are: The Rothschilds, House of Rockefeller, Bilderbergers, Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations, and many more. 2. I mentioned it earlier but I'll say it again. This guy served in the air force, the navy and was a part of top secret naval intelligence. He served on a submarine as well. During his time, he acquired various documents that substantiated these ideas. So much so he spent $30,000 to see to it the information was spread far and wide. He lost his leg in a car accident after he was run off the road by an unmarked car and was killed shortly after 9/11 for spreading the information he had acquired. 3. See two. 4. It's not something I can prove, but merely conjecture.[/QUOTE] 1. I was referring to the person killed. Nice lot of new assertions though. 2. And what exactly is the source for this information? 4. Well then why the hell do you believe it so adamantly? [editline]5th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ShukaidoX;29623938]It's in reference to the wikipedia editing comment as well as possibly william cooper's personal website. Nothing more.[/QUOTE] No, it applies to absolutely everything you're saying. We ask you for proof and you say you can't give it because all information is edited, we ask you then how you could possibly know what you know and you say because there's some invisible war going on. Your logic is completely circular.
[QUOTE=SoaringScout;29623871]Osama Obama knocked down the twin towers!!![/QUOTE] the twin towers were really the freemasons the illuminati got in a turf war with the freemasons and after the battle was over they smelted them down into hyper-concrete and constructed the twin towers
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;29623949]1. I was referring to the person killed. Nice lot of new assertions though. 2. And what exactly is the source for this information? 4. Well then why the hell do you believe it so adamantly? [editline]5th May 2011[/editline] No, it applies to absolutely everything you're saying. We ask you for proof and you say you can't give it because all information is edited, we ask you then how you could possibly know what you know and you say because there's some invisible war going on. Your logic is completely circular.[/QUOTE] I've provided proof, told you where to get it, and how you can do it for yourself. If you don't want to believe me [B]then fine.[/B] I'm not going to make you and I certainly can't. But what I'm saying is substantiated by documents in the book Behold a Pale Horse. If you want to believe them as I reference them be my guest.
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;29623996]the twin towers were really the freemasons the illuminati got in a turf war with the freemasons and after the battle was over they smelted them down into hyper-concrete and constructed the twin towers[/QUOTE] this is oddly a very good point if multiple NWO groups existed, surely there would be some sort of struggle between them? I mean no one wants to share complete and total control of the planet.
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;29623877]@Scorpio: 1. A few of the people utilizing silent weapons for quiet wars are: The Rothschilds, House of Rockefeller, Bilderbergers, Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations, and many more. 2. I mentioned it earlier but I'll say it again. This guy served in the air force, the navy and was a part of top secret naval intelligence. He served on a submarine as well. During his time, he acquired various documents that substantiated these ideas. So much so he spent $30,000 to see to it the information was spread far and wide. He lost his leg in a car accident after he was run off the road by an unmarked car and was killed shortly after 9/11 for spreading the information he had acquired. 3. See two. 4. It's not something I can prove, but merely conjecture.[/QUOTE] You continue to make more assertions, as Scorpio has said, and so far the only evidence you've provided is just as likely to have been part of the conspiracy as Wikipedia or any other media source.
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;29623877]2. I mentioned it earlier but I'll say it again. This guy served in the air force, the navy and was a part of top secret naval intelligence. He served on a submarine as well.[/QUOTE] Do you know this for a fact? Or is he simply claiming that? Paranoid schizophrenics have tons of false memories that they can recount very convincingly--I talked to a dude who totally believed that he had been kidnapped by CIA agents who tried to force him into seducing one of George W. Bush's daughters in order to blackmail the President. [QUOTE=ShukaidoX;29623877]He lost his leg in a car accident after he was run off the road by an unmarked car[/QUOTE] Most cars on the road are unmarked. If he was a paranoid schizophrenic it's entirely possible that he got spooked by a random car and crashed all by himself. [QUOTE=ShukaidoX;29623877]and was killed shortly after 9/11 for spreading the information he had acquired.[/QUOTE] He was killed, you've yet to explain why you believe that was the reason. As was mentioned, lots and lots of people say stuff like this all the time, write books, etc, and none of them have been killed. The official story is that he was committing tax fraud, which is very common among anti-government people, and that he got in a shootout with people who tried to arrest him, which is also consistent with him being a paranoid schizophrenic. This is one of those situations where Occam's Razor is really useful. Yes, any or all of these things can be explained by the existence of a vast, malevolent, incompetent government conspiracy. They can also all be explained by him being an undiagnosed paranoid schizophrenic. Which is more likely?
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;29624030]I've provided proof, told you where to get it, and how you can do it for yourself. If you don't want to believe me [B]then fine.[/B] I'm not going to make you and I certainly can't. But what I'm saying is substantiated by documents in the book Behold a Pale Horse. If you want to believe them as I reference them be my guest.[/QUOTE] How is this book not also part of the media conspiracy?
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[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;29624030]I've provided proof, told you where to get it, and how you can do it for yourself. If you don't want to believe me [B]then fine.[/B] I'm not going to make you and I certainly can't. But what I'm saying is substantiated by documents in the book Behold a Pale Horse. If you want to believe them as I reference them be my guest.[/QUOTE] If you don't give a shit and you're not going to do anything to stop this "New World Order" beyond throwing book titles at me then why the fuck are you even here? Just piss off if you're too much of a lemming to make your own arguments.
The man who was killed was the author, Willam Cooper. I have elaborated as to why I personally believe cooper's site is edited already... but it's because I tried to download his book and more than half of it is edited out no matter where I downloaded it. So I don't think that was that way when he originally uploaded it, either.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;29624067]If you don't give a shit and you're not going to do anything to stop this "New World Order" beyond throwing book titles at me then why the fuck are you even here? Just piss off if you're too much of a lemming to make your own arguments.[/QUOTE] I'd still like to know how this one book is somehow exempt from this [B]enormous[/B] media conspiracy. [editline]4th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ShukaidoX;29624075]The man who was killed was the author, Willam Cooper. I have elaborated as to why I personally believe cooper's site is edited already... but it's because I tried to download his book and more than half of it is edited out no matter where I downloaded it. So I don't think that was that way when he originally uploaded it, either.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Megafanx13;29624090]I'd still like to know how this one book is somehow exempt from this [B]enormous[/B] media conspiracy.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;29624075]The man who was killed was the author, Willam Cooper. I have elaborated as to why I personally believe cooper's site is edited already... but it's because I tried to download his book and more than half of it is edited out no matter where I downloaded it. So I don't think that was that way when he originally uploaded it, either.[/QUOTE] Or maybe it was just a shitty upload by a technologically illiterate conspiracy nut. Here's some philosophy for you to look up, "Confirmation Bias".
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;29624090]I'd still like to know how this one book is somehow exempt from this [B]enormous[/B] media conspiracy. [editline]4th May 2011[/editline][/QUOTE] The book was published in 1991. He was killed 10 years later and from the looks of it his website came up some years in between, closer to 1999 it seems. The books he published were already in circulation, pulling them is a lot more scandalous than, say, silently deleting/editing information on a particular one guy's website? Nothing enormous about that.
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;29624124]The book was published in 1991. He was killed 10 years later and from the looks of it his website came up some years in between, closer to 1999 it seems. The books he published were already in circulation, pulling them is a lot more scandalous than, say, silently deleting/editing information on a particular one guy's website? Nothing enormous about that.[/QUOTE] Right, but pulling them, editing them, and putting them back out is not as scandalous. Considering the other things you've claimed they've done, it's not beyond my imagination that it's possible.
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;29624124]The book was published in 1991. He was killed 10 years later and from the looks of it his website came up some years in between, closer to 1999 it seems. The books he published were already in circulation, pulling them is a lot more scandalous than, say, silently deleting/editing information on a particular one guy's website? Nothing enormous about that.[/QUOTE] So it took the government longer to kill a paranoid ex military goombah than it did for it to topple the regimes of third world countries. Your whole argument is so full of holes it could pass through a brick wall with little effort.
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