[QUOTE=genyus;21413669]Let me get my Hawking book(A brief history of time,From big bang to black hole). hold on
aight so basicly everytime a particule is ''eaten'' its anti-particule somehow escape into the vacuum
when it does the Blackhole lose a bit of its mass
I have the french version of the book so I hope it's not to confusing
here a litle diagram
[img]http://www.oursci.org/archive/magazine/200202/12-07.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
Was just about to do that (quote A Brief History Of Time).
Although, if memory serves me correctly only SOME of the particles/anti-particles created will escape the black hole.
Also, once again, if memory serves me correctly, I also read elsewhere that this is a very over-simplified view of what actually occurs that Hawking used so that the general public would be able to understand it.
my brain hurts even trying to figure the universe out
[QUOTE=Eudoxia;21410320]Out of nowhere, out of nothing, matter and energy are created. A tiny proton.
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Why would a proton become a universe. So you're saying the big bang could of been created by a proton.
[QUOTE=Howlthrug;21416086]Why would a proton become a universe. So you're saying the big bang could of been created by a proton.[/QUOTE]
No, no. At first there's a proton. Then that proton dies and decays. It was an example.
Any amount of matter/energy can pop up: It could be a proton, or an atom, or an entire galaxy
[QUOTE=Eudoxia;21416125]No, no. At first there's a proton. Then that proton dies and decays. It was an example.
Any amount of matter/energy can pop up: It could be a proton, or an atom, or an entire galaxy[/QUOTE]
Ok, thanks for an added explanation.
[QUOTE=Eudoxia;21410320]
After a googol years (1 followed by a hundred zeroes), this is still the same. But then, something happens. [B]Out of nowhere, out of nothing, matter and energy are created.[/B] A tiny proton.
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How and why?
At risk of sounding like I have a terminal case of the dumb, [i]why[/i] would the protons decay? As far as I'm aware there's no experimental evidence that they do and the Standard Model predicts that they won't decay on their own -- though I guess the assorted Grand Unified Theories that try to explain the asymmetry of matter and antimatter tend to outright ignore the baryon number symmetry since otherwise they don't, y'know, work. Similarly for photons: what the hell does photons 'going out' mean?
edit: Also what the above said; this is all very dramatic but that's about it. The closest things that I know of to this are virtual particles, but they're nothing like what you're suggesting: they sneak in and out quickly and the universe turns a blind eye, to put it simply.
Astrophysics and QuantumPhysics are awesome subject to debate to !
Cant wait untill some results come from the LHC
I was in a quantum vacuum this one time.
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Not fun.
70 posts and still nobody posted the big psyduck head explosion gif?
OP been posting some interesting mind-blowing threads
If you guys want your mind to be BLOWN away
you should check out these videos
they are 20-30ish minute long but its awesome !
When will time ends
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OFThORmR-s[/media]
How large is the universe ?
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEQouX5U0fc[/media]
The largest Black holes in the Universe
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW7BvabYnn8[/media]
Mysteries of Deep Space: Exploding Stars
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfRiqwQBegQ[/media]
There is plenty more on the youtube page
[url]Www.youtube.com/spacerip[/url]
If anyone have another youtube page with this kind of stuff please post it !
Ow my brain noodles
Hardly worth calling a theory.
Wait, how can a Quantum Vacuum exist if matter cannot be created nor destroyed?
can i put my dong into a quantum vacuum to make it bigger
I think about exactly this thing a lot.
Weird thing is... all the pieces fit...
Holy shit :psylon:
We should just have a Theoretical Physics subforum, and Eudoxia will make all the threads.
I think :psyboom: is appropriate for this thread.
On a more serious note, it's kind of sad that eventually all of the effort of all of the sentiences in the universe will all be destroyed, and everything, all that learning, strife, knowledge, and progress will never have happened. I suppose the cycle of the universe is a bit like the cycle of our life. You know that eventually you will die, and that nothing you do will matter then, but you still continue to improve upon your life and create some sort of legacy.
[QUOTE=Shibbey;21411573]I didn't come up with it, I saw it on the Discovery channel! That's why I said "Theory".[/QUOTE]
I [i]think[/i] I've seen that too
[QUOTE=genyus;21417392]If you guys want your mind to be BLOWN away
you should check out these videos
they are 20-30ish minute long but its awesome !
There is plenty more on the youtube page
[url]Www.youtube.com/spacerip[/url]
If anyone have another youtube page with this kind of stuff please post it ![/QUOTE]
This guy has a bunch of neat stuff and constantly uploads things.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/Zuke969[/url]
I think there's a lot of holes in your OP. For one, stars can still form without hydrogen - helium will do fine. Its a harder fusion reaction requiring more heat and pressure, but it still works, all the way up the periodic table, gradually getting harder until the mass limit reaches the point where the star would be a neutron star/black hole.
[quote]The universe is a sea of black holes eating what little remains of this universe into singularities smaller than a thumb.[/quote] Where did this idea come from? Why would we have miniature singularities?
Hawking radiation emits radiation, just as you say. But this radiation is still made of particles carrying mass. Its for this reason that black holes appear to lose mass from an external perspective. This would make the mass in the universe constant.
You say that photons/protons do not last forever. Why? As far as I was aware they can always decay into their constituent parts of course, but they can always re-assimilate. Sure the heat death theory would spread things out a lot more making this harder, but as of yet we don't actually know if that's going to be the case. In order for it to happen the energy of universal expansion would have to surmount the energy of universal gravitation. We could always have a big implosion, or even be lucky enough to live in a universe where these energies get to a equilibrium.
[QUOTE]No, no. At first there's a proton. Then that proton dies and decays. It was an example.
Any amount of matter/energy can pop up: It could be a proton, or an atom, or an entire galaxy[/QUOTE]
Are you referring to virtual particles spontaneously becoming actual particles? Or alluding to a more Brane Theory based cause for this spontaneous creation of matter? From what I know about the Quantum Vacuum and virtual particles, energy can be borrowed from this (to fuel things like quantum tunneling) but it has to be repaid almost instantly - keeping the energy and mass amounts in the universe constant. The only thing that would appear to create energy out of nothing is Brane theory, where our universal Brane would collide with another. Yet even in this case the energy isn't [i]really[/i] being created from nothing, it is simply being transferred from another Brane/the kinetic energy from the collision. So even in this multiversal view energy is never destroyed or created.
Also (for people asking) - Black holes don't [i]have[/i] to go/lead anywhere. They are essentially just really dense stars. They don't have infinite mass, just a very large amount. Using the word singularity can become very misleading when talking about them. They are only singularity's as to being the only things in the universe that even light cannot escape from their gravitational pull. We do not ask if falling into our sun would lead us to another universe, so why with black holes? Personally I think is would be less misleading if they were called Black stars.
OP's theory breaks the laws of thermodynamics.
[QUOTE=Kade;21421812]Also (for people asking) - Black holes don't [i]have[/i] to go/lead anywhere. They are essentially just really dense stars. They don't have infinite mass, just a very large amount. Using the word singularity can become very misleading when talking about them. They are only singularity's as to being the only things in the universe that even light cannot escape from their gravitational pull. We do not ask if falling into our sun would lead us to another universe, so why with black holes? Personally I think is would be less misleading if they were called Black stars.[/QUOTE]
I'm just interested to know how people get from 'singularity' to 'lolwormhole' in the first place.
[QUOTE=Eudoxia;21410320]
Fast forward a couple of hundreds of trillions of years. Protons don't last forever. Protons go out. Same with photons a few billions of years later.
Then, after an unimaginable amount of time, 3.0 x 10⁶⁹ Joules of energy are created. [/QUOTE]
1. Photons can be created we do it all the time, energise metal, force the electrons to drop back down from an excited state to ground state, they lose their energy in the form of light. BAM!
2. Energy cannot be created, leave the genepool
[QUOTE=Eudoxia;21411143]Given an infinite amount of time, your rebirth is a certainty.
And there will be (Has been) a time when you're reborn with superpowers or some shit :buddy:[/QUOTE]
And also a time in which you were born with some disorder causing you great pain constantly.
[QUOTE=bravehat;21422729]
2. Energy cannot be created, leave the genepool[/QUOTE]
Not true, energy and mass are created and destroyed, just not in normal conditions. (For example, electron+positron = annihilation => photons. Photons are have m=0, and thus you destroyed mass, and thus, you create energy in the annihilation.)
[QUOTE=Kendra;21423760]Not true, energy and mass are created and destroyed, just not in normal conditions. (For example, electron+positron = annihilation => photons. Photons are have m=0, and thus you destroyed mass, and thus, you create energy in the annihilation.)[/QUOTE]
Mass is condensed and cooled energy.
Therefore, mass is [b]convertered[/b] not created!
This is the basis of E=mc2
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;21421836]OP's theory breaks the laws of thermodynamics.[/QUOTE]
How so ?
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