[QUOTE=FacepunchZen;21068287] same as Hitler who supported the communists from the beginning)[/QUOTE]
HAHAHAHA. Fuck NO.
[QUOTE=OvB;21068168]As long as I can make a successful company and bask in my own money and do what I want with my own money I don't give a shit.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but you can't abuse men, women, children, workers, customers, and everyone around you for the sake of profit, which is something every business does and something every single business deserves an occasional kick in the ass from government for.
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[QUOTE=FacepunchZen;21068391]7+ million were innocent of being Ukrainian, score one for socialism![/QUOTE]
Stop watching Glenn Beck specials, he doesn't understand anything about history and thinks people should stop wearing shirts with Che Guevara on them because he was racist.
Americans really need to get off their Cold War perceptions of the world and politics.
Oh my god every single one of FacepunchZen's points are from yesterday's Glenn Beck special you jerk how about you form your own opinions you tool.
god bless america.. kill all dem commie and socialist scum!
:patriot:
[QUOTE=FacepunchZen;21068391]7+ million were innocent of being Ukrainian, score one for socialism![/QUOTE]
Rich proletariat farmers who did not want to hand over harvest to feed cities. Also, can you link your source?
By the way, I'm ethnically Ukrainian.
[QUOTE=Tac Error;21068450]Americans really need to get off their Cold War perceptions of the world and politics.[/QUOTE]
Fucking hell! This post is my head
[QUOTE=FacepunchZen;21068287]No, Lenin and Marx both supported killing off the weak. (They got their ideas from Marx who got them from Plato, same as Hitler who supported the communists from the beginning)[/QUOTE]
All of your arguments were about how individual socialist countries were bad, and not how the system itself is flawed.
We must digg this thread.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;21068411]Yeah but you can't abuse men, women, children, workers, customers, and everyone around you for the sake of profit, which is something every business does and something every single business deserves an occasional kick in the ass from government for.
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Stop watching Glenn Beck specials, he doesn't understand anything about history and thinks people should stop wearing shirts with Che Guevara on them because he was racist.[/QUOTE]
Thank God for Glenn Beck, he is trying to help them from becoming hypocrites by promoting a symbol of a socialist revolutionary by playing into the capitalist system.
Glenn Beck loves this country more than you ever will, and he is smarter than anyone else even O'Rielly admitted it.
[QUOTE=FacepunchZen;21068287]same as Hitler who supported the communists from the beginning)[/QUOTE]
Where the fuck did you get that idea.
Just because Russia helped with Poland doesn't mean that he supported them, he was just exploiting them until he could get a firm enough grip of western Europe to support an invasion.
[QUOTE=FacepunchZen;21068500]Thank God for Glenn Beck, he is trying to help them from becoming hypocrites by promoting a symbol of a socialist revolutionary by playing into the capitalist system.
Glenn Beck loves this country more than you ever will, and he is smarter than anyone else even O'Rielly admitted it.[/QUOTE]
:psyboom:
Also if you think American society was so radically different from the Soviets:
[url]http://www.archive.org/details/OurCitie1951[/url]
They might as well scream ¡No pasaran! at the top of their lungs.
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[QUOTE=FacepunchZen;21068500]Thank God for Glenn Beck, he is trying to help them from becoming hypocrites by promoting a symbol of a socialist revolutionary by playing into the capitalist system.
Glenn Beck loves this country more than you ever will, and he is smarter than anyone else even O'Rielly admitted it.[/QUOTE]
Trolls are the worst tools of all, brah.
[QUOTE=FacepunchZen;21068500]Thank God for Glenn Beck, he is trying to help them from becoming hypocrites by promoting a symbol of a socialist revolutionary by playing into the capitalist system.
Glenn Beck loves this country more than you ever will, and he is smarter than anyone else even O'Rielly admitted it.[/QUOTE]
Oh boy, now you're trolling.
Maybe you shouldn't make it so obvious next time.
[QUOTE=Wakka;21068460]Rich proletariat farmers who did not want to hand over harvest to feed cities. Also, can you link your source?
By the way, I'm ethnically Ukrainian.[/QUOTE]
Yes, that is why they had to storm the mudbrick hovels of the "rich farmers" steal any food they have kept and dragg them off to shoot them for trying to feed their family.
Socialism at its best. You cant have food, its more important for the country to ship it out to sell "for the greater good".
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[QUOTE=mastermaul;21068515]Where the fuck did you get that idea.
Just because Russia helped with Poland doesn't mean that he supported them, he was just exploiting them until he could get a firm enough grip of western Europe to support an invasion.[/QUOTE]
He also invaded Finland, because they were a HUGE threat to USSR right? Those damn Finnish fascists with their snow and shit.
[QUOTE=FacepunchZen;21068500]Thank God for Glenn Beck, he is trying to help them from becoming hypocrites by promoting a symbol of a socialist revolutionary by playing into the capitalist system.
Glenn Beck loves this country more than you ever will, and he is smarter than anyone else even O'Rielly admitted it.[/QUOTE]
goddamn you are brainwashed
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[QUOTE=FacepunchZen;21068544]Yes, that is why they had to storm the mudbrick hovels of the "rich farmers" steal any food they have kept and dragg them off to shoot them for trying to feed their family.
Socialism at its best. You cant have food, its more important for the country to ship it out to sell "for the greater good".
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He also invaded Finland, because they were a HUGE threat to USSR right? Those damn Finnish fascists with their snow and shit.[/QUOTE]
Do you even know what socialism is?
Protip: Soviet "communism" is not socialism.
[QUOTE=Wakka;21067570]
I see this everywhere. People need to stop associating socialism with totalitarianism.
[I]
On the revolution of 1917: The new regime promoted democracy and liberty in Russia. All citizens achieved equality before the law. Full freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, unions, and strikes became a reality. The secret police, flogging, exile to Siberia, and the death penalty were abolished. [/I]
(Riasanovsky, Nicholas. A History of Russia. Page 443; seventh edition).[/QUOTE]
It's worth noting that pretty quickly after the Russian Revolution "the secret police, flogging, exile to Siberia, and the death penalty" all came roaring back in short order, and "full freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, unions, and strikes" became a dream once more. Of course, this being Russia during the Stalinist era, your mileage may vary on the subject.
The post office and public schools are socialist, are they not?
Socialism is required for some things to satisfy the desires and needs of the public, but it just can't flat work out for other things, since it can't successfully operate on the individual's self-interests as a whole; it can only bridge things together.
[QUOTE=Micr0;21068541]Oh boy, now you're trolling.
Maybe you shouldn't make it so obvious next time.[/QUOTE]
Just because someone states their opinion, even if you don't know if it's true or not doesn't automatically make it trolling.
Get your head out of the internet for a goddamn second.
Protip: Ad Hominem only works on message boards.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;21068411]Yeah but you can't abuse men, women, children, workers, customers, and everyone around you for the sake of profit, which is something every business does and something every single business deserves an occasional kick in the ass from government for.
[/QUOTE]
As long as the government leaves me alone for the most part and doesn't try to take my company money for it's own use, I don't care. If I'm ever lucky enough to be in possession of tremendous wealth, I'll take what I earned through salary for myself, build a house, get some material possessions (I'm only human), then the rest would go into the company. Sitting on ridiculous amounts of money and not using it for something constructive is a waste.
[QUOTE=OvB;21068703]As long as the government leaves me alone for the most part and doesn't try to take my company money for it's own use, I don't care. If I'm ever lucky enough to be in possession of tremendous wealth, I'll take what I earned through salary for myself, build a house, get some material possessions (I'm only human), then the rest would go into the company. Sitting on ridiculous amounts of money and not using it for something constructive is a waste.[/QUOTE]
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that socialism is kind of like what we have in the US now, except with higher taxes, and more government projects, agencies, etc.
FacepunchZen is the reason people don't even look at socialism. Ignorance.
people hear communism and go BADBADBADBADBABDEABDBADBABDBADBADBAD.
[QUOTE=mysteryman;21068749]FacepunchZen is the reason people don't even look at socialism. Ignorance.
people hear communism and go BADBADBADBADBABDEABDBADBABDBADBADBAD.[/QUOTE]
Sorry i just don't like systems that restrict freedom for someone elses benefit.
(you can only restrict freedom so that no one smothers another's freedoms)
Please stop feeding the troll so we can have an actual discussion.
[QUOTE=FacepunchZen;21068828]Sorry i just don't like systems that restrict freedom for someone elses benefit.
(you can only restrict freedom so that no one smothers another's freedoms)[/QUOTE]
Lol, restrict freedom. Most of the freedoms you're enjoying exist because of socialist reforms (minimum wage, workers comp, worker unions, public schooling, welfare, and thanks to Obama: affordable healthcare).
[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;21068594]
Do you even know what socialism is?
Protip: Soviet "communism" is not socialism.[/QUOTE]
It's hard to believe just how easily people will believe that Socialism is Communism. Of course, I'm talking about the Bible Belt.
[QUOTE=Madman_Andre;21068919]It's hard to believe just how easily people will believe that Socialism is Communism. Of course, I'm talking about the Bible Belt.[/QUOTE]
talking about Glenn Beck viewers.
this is fucking ridiculous.
just because someone states an opinion that you think is a bit out there doesn't make them a troll.
jesus christ that fucking word needs to be removed from the internet.
Hitler named it National Socialism so he could appeal to Germans sense of nationalism, and Socialist party's which workers where in. Though In reality, he was a totalitarian and didn't like the idea at all of more leisure to the working class.
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