• Worlds smallest Mario
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[QUOTE=Monkey san;47385459]Were you born without a brain or with 90% of it missing? They're basically a pocket pussy that barely has enough function to survive. [/QUOTE] do you even realize how absolutely sick that is to say?
[QUOTE=Silikone;47382701]The real thing just depresses the fuck out of me. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UwEQTME0oI[/media][/QUOTE] the bigger one is 13 years old and has never communicated this is fucking sad
[QUOTE=CrossTownNews;47388554]Oh I know the girls are real. I meant the first mario one. Is it a doll or no. I cannot tell. I hesitated to ask for fear of looking dumb, but in the you tube comments. there were about 20 other people wondering the same thing.[/QUOTE] the kids face moves and stuff, including a blink or two. there are dolls that do that shit, but this kid is pretty clearly "real"
[QUOTE=OvB;47388688]It's a real girl. It's one of those kids.[/QUOTE] Oh I thought it was a boy. You know what, I'll quit posting here before I rack up even more "dumb" points.
I feel both sorry for the kids and the parents. I mean two out of two the parents have gotten the shit end of the stick,genetically speaking, but it is also irresponsible and selfish to let their kids live sad and mundane lives. Seeing the world and being amazed at all the wonders around you is part of what being alive so spectacular, and these sisters will never experience that joy.
[QUOTE=angelangel;47384921]From their blog; [url]http://www.thehartleyhooligans.com/2011/09/yellow.html[/url] [editline]24th March 2015[/editline] I can only admire their will to raise them.[/QUOTE] good god those genes, those two are probably as genetically incompatible as two people can get
Why the fuck did they have another kid?
How on earth do you even leave the hospital with those? That's like if someone gave birth stillborn and as the doctors prepared to take it to the incinerator they went, "Naw man, Imma try my hand at raisin dis'" Skeeved the fuck out/10
Dude, what the hell, they're breathing, moving (despite limitations), they're awake and don't seem to be in any significant pain. It's not their parents fault that they were born like this and it's not their fault either they have an incurable prognosis , you're going to decide for them that they should die? Just the fact that they've lived this long stands as proof that euthanizing them is absolutely wrong and against their own wishes and their guardian's wishes. [QUOTE=Gnorm57;47389226]I feel both sorry for the kids and the parents. I mean two out of two the parents have gotten the shit end of the stick,genetically speaking, but it is also irresponsible and selfish to let their kids live sad and mundane lives. Seeing the world and being amazed at all the wonders around you is part of what being alive so spectacular, and these sisters will never experience that joy.[/QUOTE] How are they irresponsible? Again, it's not their fault they were born like this, they're trying to make the best out of a really shitty situation. They can't walk on their own, they can't see, and they have severe mental retardation, and even then if you look at the parents' blog they are trying their best to let them experience life. Are they irresponsible and selfish because they decided not to fucking kill them?
[QUOTE=Big Bang;47390204] Just the fact that they've lived this long stands as proof that euthanizing them is absolutely wrong and against their own wishes and their guardian's wishes. [/QUOTE] Being Alive =/= Living If I cut off your hands, gouged out your eyes, removed your tongue, and broke all your bones with a club, keeping you alive would not be either merciful or generous to you or myself. It is as much the parents arbitrarily deciding that they should live. You don't suppose you are the callous one for holding some imagined sanctity of life higher than the sufferings of them or what I will freely call the unstable mentality of the parents?
[QUOTE=DanRatherman;47390213]Being Alive =/= Living If I cut off your hands, gouged out your eyes, removed your tongue, and broke all your bones with a club, keeping you alive would not be either merciful or generous to you or myself. It is as much the parents arbitrarily deciding that they should live. You don't suppose you are the callous one for holding some imagined sanctity of life higher than the sufferings of them or what I will freely call the unstable mentality of the parents?[/QUOTE] They live, they breathe on their own, can eat with assistance from their parents, they are clearly awake, they have a steady heartbeat, don't seem to be in pain. They're not able to do a lot of the things other people can do, does that mean you're gonna fucking kill them? You're gonna decide for them if they deserve to be alive or not? There's a HUGE difference between somebody crippling you permanently and you just being born the way you are. How do you know you're suffering? How do you know their parents are hurting them? How do you know they wanna die? Your analogy doesn't make any fucking sense, they're DISABLED, they're not abused children.
[QUOTE=Big Bang;47390238]They live, they breathe on their own, can eat with assistance from their parents, they are clearly awake, they have a steady heartbeat, don't seem to be in pain. They're not able to do a lot of the things other people can do, does that mean you're gonna fucking kill them? You're gonna decide for them if they deserve to be alive or not? There's a HUGE difference between somebody crippling you permanently and you just being born the way you are. How do you know you're suffering? How do you know their parents are hurting them? How do you know they wanna die? Your analogy doesn't make any fucking sense, they're DISABLED, they're not abused children.[/QUOTE] You do realise how basic an actual living thing has to be to stay alive right? My theory is that even if they wanted to die, they can't even comprehend how to begin communicating that. If you know before your child is born that this is the case then I think it's fair to let you decide. Watch their other videos. The younger one simply mashes food in her mouth while you can audibly hear a strained breathing pattern, it's pretty sad.
I don't think any of us can really say what would be good for these humans. They are alive yet in an eternal state of basic function. Why would we kill them? Why wouldn't we kill them? There are great answers for both of these questions, and if you ask me, the real answer lies much in the same vegetativ state as these girls. Not really alive nor dead. No one is really correct nor wrong if they decided to kill the humans or not.
[QUOTE=KingKombat;47390504]I don't think any of us can really say what would be good for these humans. They are alive yet in an eternal state of basic function. Why would we kill them? Why wouldn't we kill them? There are great answers for both of these questions, and if you ask me, the real answer lies much in the same vegetativ state as these girls. Not really alive nor dead. No one is really correct nor wrong if they decided to kill the humans or not.[/QUOTE] kill all humans!
[QUOTE=Big Bang;47390238]They live, they breathe on their own, can eat with assistance from their parents, they are clearly awake, they have a steady heartbeat, don't seem to be in pain. They're not able to do a lot of the things other people can do, does that mean you're gonna fucking kill them? You're gonna decide for them if they deserve to be alive or not? There's a HUGE difference between somebody crippling you permanently and you just being born the way you are. How do you know you're suffering? How do you know their parents are hurting them? How do you know they wanna die? Your analogy doesn't make any fucking sense, they're DISABLED, they're not abused children.[/QUOTE] Not able to do a lot of the things? More like they can do one or two thing people do, and some of them are basic survival instinct. For fucks sake they can't even feed themselves. There's such a thing as a difference between Survival and Quality of life. These children are absolutely completely devoid of any quality of life. I'm not even sure they comprehend what it is to be alive. They survive because their parents choose so, and they won't ever have any shred of quality of life or even realize what luck they're in that their parents too the moral high route.
so do the girls have any form of consciousness at all?
[QUOTE=DanRatherman;47390213]Being Alive =/= Living If I cut off your hands, gouged out your eyes, removed your tongue, and broke all your bones with a club, keeping you alive would not be either merciful or generous to you or myself. It is as much the parents arbitrarily deciding that they should live. You don't suppose you are the callous one for holding some imagined sanctity of life higher than the sufferings of them or what I will freely call the unstable mentality of the parents?[/QUOTE] I guess we should just kill everyone with life altering disabilities then.
[QUOTE=OvB;47390925]I guess we should just kill everyone with life altering disabilities then.[/QUOTE] That is definitely not what he said.
[QUOTE=Paraprose;47390935]That is definitely not what he said.[/QUOTE] [quote]If I cut off your hands, gouged out your eyes, removed your tongue, and broke all your bones with a club, keeping you alive would not be either merciful or generous[/quote] It's pretty loud and clear.
[QUOTE=OvB;47390972]It's pretty loud and clear.[/QUOTE] So which life altering disability does all of those things then?
[QUOTE=OvB;47390972]It's pretty loud and clear.[/QUOTE] when you mean "life altering disability" it's a bit generic, what he meant was if you're basically a vegetable
[QUOTE=Big Bang;47390204]Dude, what the hell, they're breathing, moving (despite limitations), they're awake and don't seem to be in any significant pain. It's not their parents fault that they were born like this and it's not their fault either they have an incurable prognosis , you're going to decide for them that they should die? Just the fact that they've lived this long stands as proof that euthanizing them is absolutely wrong and against their own wishes and their guardian's wishes. How are they irresponsible? Again, it's not their fault they were born like this, they're trying to make the best out of a really shitty situation. They can't walk on their own, they can't see, and they have severe mental retardation, and even then if you look at the parents' blog they are trying their best to let them experience life. Are they irresponsible and selfish because they decided not to fucking kill them?[/QUOTE] I didn't mean euthanize them now. I meant it would have probably been best for the mom to abort them while still pregnate with them. Their doctor most likely told them that their daughters have this condition well befor their actual births, so that's what I meant when I said they were irresponsible. I know they are trying their hardest to take care of them, but what would happen when their parents are to old to take care of them and their brother gets a regular job? They would probably hire a sitter, but they won't be available all the time like their parents are now.
the comments on the first vid are almost as bad as the incest
[QUOTE=DanRatherman;47390213]Being Alive =/= Living If I cut off your hands, gouged out your eyes, removed your tongue, and broke all your bones with a club, keeping you alive would not be either merciful or generous to you or myself. It is as much the parents arbitrarily deciding that they should live. You don't suppose you are the callous one for holding some imagined sanctity of life higher than the sufferings of them or what I will freely call the unstable mentality of the parents?[/QUOTE] Maybe not the best way to express it, but I do get your point. At what instance do we mark the difference between "living" and "being biologically alive"? Obviously not an easy task, since the definition of the word "life" itself is pretty subjective. However if you were to ask me, I would classify this as the latter. These girls are not living a life, they are simply existing, I don't think they are suffering, but I don't think they are actually getting any form of enjoyment from being capable of doing absolutely nothing by themselves. Like OvB said, it does kinda sound like you are wishing ill on all of those who are incapacitated, but I suppose you didn't actually mean that. For me the best solution to this would have been an abortion, obviously with the confirmation of the genetic deformations already put. In the end though, it's the parents's child, and the decision should always rest on their hands, I don't think these ones made the right choice though.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;47390732]so do the girls have any form of consciousness at all?[/QUOTE] I don't think so. [QUOTE]A baby born with anencephaly is usually blind, deaf, unaware of its surroundings and unable to feel pain. Although some individuals with anencephaly may be born with a main brain stem, the lack of a functioning cerebrum permanently rules out the possibility of ever gaining awareness of their surroundings. Reflex actions such as breathing and responses to sound or touch may occur[/QUOTE] EDIT: Then again, that would depends by what does "conscious" means to you.
They do NOT have anencephaly the guy on the first page is wrong. Did any one of you even bother looking up what that means? It means lacking the cerebrum, the biggest body of the brain, leaving the child with only a brain stem, those are babies that don't live without life support and their bodies are only controlled by autonomic neural functions, barely. Anencephaly means "no encephalus", or no brain. What these kids have is microcephaly, "small brain", dwarfism, and some other congenital diseases. They HAVE a brain, they're cognizant of their environment and are clearly awake, however they are severely mentally retarded due to their underdeveloped brains.
[QUOTE=Gnorm57;47391732]I didn't mean euthanize them now. I meant it would have probably been best for the mom to abort them while still pregnate with them. Their doctor most likely told them that their daughters have this condition well befor their actual births, so that's what I meant when I said they were irresponsible. I know they are trying their hardest to take care of them, but what would happen when their parents are to old to take care of them and their brother gets a regular job? They would probably hire a sitter, but they won't be available all the time like their parents are now.[/QUOTE] they only knew about the second one 22 weeks into pregnancy. The first wasn't diagnosed until 3 monthe after birth. I mentioned this in my post explaining why they aren't lifeless husks of human meat like everyone thinks. [editline]25th March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Big Bang;47392854]They do NOT have anencephaly the guy on the first page is wrong. Did any one of you even bother looking up what that means? It means lacking the cerebrum, the biggest body of the brain, leaving the child with only a brain stem, those are babies that don't live without life support and their bodies are only controlled by autonomic neural functions, barely. Anencephaly means "no encephalus", or no brain. What these kids have is microcephaly, "small brain", dwarfism, and some other congenital diseases. They HAVE a brain, they're cognizant of their environment and are clearly awake, however they are severely mentally retarded due to their underdeveloped brains.[/QUOTE] Not to mention they're (partially blind?) blind. Basically their only input from the environment is touch and taste which they clearly have.
I'm probably going to sound like an asshole, but I think it would have been better, both for the parents and the girl if she had died at the age of one like the doctor said she would. At this moment, as people said earlier it's an human plant that probably has no conscience, and the parents have to take care of her 24/7, not having any time at all for them, and I don't blame them since I don't know how it is to have a son/daughter and I can understand why they can't put her down. I'ts such a difficult situation to be in.
[QUOTE=-Iker-;47393034]I'm probably going to sound like an asshole, but I think it would have been better, both for the parents and the girl if she had died at the age of one like the doctor said she would. At this moment, as people said earlier it's an human plant that probably has no conscience, and the parents have to take care of her 24/7, not having any time at all for them, and I don't blame them since I don't know how it is to have a son/daughter and I can understand why they can't put her down. I'ts such a difficult situation to be in.[/QUOTE] Worse yet, they have two children like that. If they're(parents) not mentally broken they deserve huge props.
If I knew my genes were so bad that my kids would end up with any sickness or deformities because of that, I would just adopt a healthy kid. There are enough kids in the world without parents. [editline]25th March 2015[/editline] The original if anyone wants to watch the worlds smallest ninja [video=youtube;U_jNFEnjxaY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_jNFEnjxaY[/video]
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