• Worlds smallest Mario
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wow these parents are so delusional, i don't know what else to say [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGMJwxqR-Jc[/media] she isn't even eating the food, 80% of it is just falling out of her mouth and she isn't even swallowing it
They're.... like fish. I've got no children of my own, but this seems like the thing if you learn early (like, during pregnancy or near after birth) that this is how their life will pan out, i don't see any injustice in sparing them a life of essentially being living husks of human beings. Like, even supporting them to whatever age they're known to last to, how can you ever expect them to comprehend what they have and what their parents will have ever done from them? surely sparing them a life like this would be more rational than dragging it out. There's really no way to sugarcoat or make an argument like this sound reasonable, but it's really saddening.
[QUOTE=nerdster409;47382943]I'm sure you'll find it pretty easy to kill your own kid.[/QUOTE] [img]http://facepunch.com/image.php?u=61731&dateline=1424900958[/img]
God this is so surreal it hurts
[QUOTE=SonicHitman;47393382]wow these parents are so delusional, i don't know what else to say [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGMJwxqR-Jc[/media] she isn't even eating the food, 80% of it is just falling out of her mouth and she isn't even swallowing it[/QUOTE] Delusional why exactly? For trying to be positive? Are you sure they don't really know 80% of the food is actually falling out? Fucking hell guys I mean my heart goes out for both the parents and kids, but this thread is messed up. If nothing else most of what this thread is suggesting is pretty much killing the children without their consent (the whole issue with them being kids and not having capacity is moot because it is non-voluntary euthanasia in any case).
I don't think people realize how stressful having a child with this would be
[QUOTE=SonicHitman;47393382]wow these parents are so delusional, i don't know what else to say [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGMJwxqR-Jc[/media] she isn't even eating the food, 80% of it is just falling out of her mouth and she isn't even swallowing it[/QUOTE] How are they being delusional at all? What she they do? Just not feed them?
this might be the worst thread on facepunch like i was planning on staying up but after reading this thread I just wanna lay down for like 5 hours
I would beg someone to kill me if i had to live like that.
Man, a lot of you guys take life for granted. It is better to born into a life of suffering than to have never been born at all. The fact that we even get to feel and breathe is amazing.
[QUOTE=SilverBullet;47398679]Man, a lot of you guys take life for granted. It is better to born into a life of suffering than to have never been born at all. The fact that we even get to feel and breathe is amazing.[/QUOTE] I find it hard to believe you've never heard of the right to die, or the people who essentially live in a nightmare that advocate it.
[video=youtube;mKh7sHML-V4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKh7sHML-V4[/video] Does she have a personality? She just looks really concerned and confused, but also like there's not a lot of thought occurring. I don't know how to explain it. I've never seen anything like this. Is she aware of her life and the people around her, and to what extent?
[QUOTE=SilverBullet;47398679]Man, a lot of you guys take life for granted. It is better to born into a life of suffering than to have never been born at all. The fact that we even get to feel and breathe is amazing.[/QUOTE] If I was a vegetable I'd rather die. Being able to feel and breathe is pointless if I'm locked in my own brain. There's nothing amazing living a life worse than that of an injured animal. Being alive is not the same as living your life.
[QUOTE=OvB;47390972]It's pretty loud and clear.[/QUOTE] There's a difference between life-altering, like losing legs or arms or losing your sight, where you can still enjoy life (although much less) and a situation where you're too far gone to even remotely react to outside stimulation.
This is the toughest moral dilemma tbh. On one hand it's the argument whether it is okay to raise a person who is not conscious , then another argument to say it's okay to murder them while they're still medically okay. I don't think either argument can win this one. As far as nature is concerned, there are going to be millions of cases of suffering but only a handful which get any attention. Essentially though, it's noone's place to judge in this case. [editline]26th March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Feuver;47398886] where you can still enjoy life.[/QUOTE] What about the medically healthy who are suffering emotionally, should they just commit suicide?
[QUOTE=AK'z;47399018]This is the toughest moral dilemma tbh. On one hand it's the argument whether it is okay to raise a person who is not conscious , then another argument to say it's okay to murder them while they're still medically okay. I don't think either argument can win this one. As far as nature is concerned, there are going to be millions of cases of suffering but only a handful which get any attention. Essentially though, it's noone's place to judge in this case. [editline]26th March 2015[/editline] What about the medically healthy who are suffering emotionally, should they just commit suicide?[/QUOTE] Oh yeah sure, if you have depression you should just kill yourself. You're fucked. Seriously, just because I didn't mention severe PTSD or depression doesn't mean I'm advocating suicide. These things can be treated or at least improved on. In this case, there's no possible improvement. They're stuck like this forever. No amount of surgery or drugs will allow them to have a decent quality of life.
[QUOTE=Feuver;47399471]Oh yeah sure, if you have depression you should just kill yourself. You're fucked. Seriously, just because I didn't mention severe PTSD or depression doesn't mean I'm advocating suicide. These things can be treated or at least improved on. In this case, there's no possible improvement. They're stuck like this forever. No amount of surgery or drugs will allow them to have a decent quality of life.[/QUOTE] "all untreatable cases should commit suicide." I still don't see your point here, they're being cared for a great deal. I don't fully understand this case but you can never say that they'll never improve even a tiny bit. I'm not advocating either way, but essentially it's not mine or your place to judge a situation of this nature. There's no malice to keep them going and medically qualified individuals aren't advising against it.
I still can't believe they had another kid with the same disorder are their genes not compatible?
[QUOTE=Dissolution;47390034]Why the fuck did they have another kid?[/QUOTE] Well looking at their blog they have an older son who is perfectly healthy
[QUOTE=Lexinator;47399953]I still can't believe they had another kid with the same disorder are there genes not compatible?[/QUOTE] uhh idk where you're getting this compatibility stuff from but you propably dont know shit about inheritance the thing these kids have has an autosomal recessive mode of inheritance which basically means you need 2 copies of the allele (gene) to present with the illness. chance of having 2 copies is 25% the parents are both carriers (each carry 1 copy of the allele connected to this illness) chance of being a carrier is 50% total chances of having nothing to do with the illness is 25% source: the mom at one point said something about "25% chance of having it" [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seckel_syndrome[/url] matches with quite a lot of the stuff these kids have and the mom said that their doctor suspected this
If someone is not conscious and will never be conscious, there is no penalty for putting them to death in my book. It's like keeping someone on life support, except the parents are the life support. I can understand the troubled feelings of the parents, but I almost feel like they're using these kids as trophies or some other way to attract attention.
[QUOTE=SilverBullet;47398679]Man, a lot of you guys take life for granted. It is better to born into a life of suffering than to have never been born at all. The fact that we even get to feel and breathe is amazing.[/QUOTE] I would have an easier time arguing that my computer is alive than I would arguing that these kids are alive.
[QUOTE=J!NX;47398175]I don't think people realize how stressful having a child with this would be[/QUOTE] you're disgusting
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;47405807]you're disgusting[/QUOTE] i'm pretty sure he meant having a child with this disability, not what you're probably thinking.
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;47405807]you're disgusting[/QUOTE] I don't know if you're trying to make a joke or if you sincerely misunderstood, but Jesus Christ man.
i was making a joke about his typo but yeah you guys need to chill out obviously a little too wound up about the matter if you can't notice blatant satire
[QUOTE=IrishBandit;47382860]Holy shit, keeping them alive is cruelty. These people must be delusional to think that they are doing the right thing.[/QUOTE] Putting your kid down due to conditions like that is probably a really, really hard decision and it would probably require a lawyer and a long as fuck process. Im not even sure if its legal in the US. Now thinking about it, I doubt you can do it.
[QUOTE=Holt!;47384100]Jesus fucking Christ.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately, It's mostly true. When you look at it realistically, they are barely even functional without the use of another human being around. They can't get jobs or feed themselves, clothe or hydrate themselves, nearly everything they do has to be aided by a human being. Their parents are probably spending quite a lot of money for them, classes, health related stuff, medication and general food/water/clothes. What happens when their parents are gone and they are left to fend for themselves? They can't. It's just not a way to live a life. I'm not saying it's a sad thing, It's an absolute emotional breakage should I be given a choice on whether to end anyones life, let alone my childs. But you need to think future wise though. this is a really bad topic anyway and the controversialism with it is just bad.
[QUOTE=SilverBullet;47398679]Man, a lot of you guys take life for granted. It is better to born into a life of suffering than to have never been born at all. The fact that we even get to feel and breathe is amazing.[/QUOTE] There's two very polar classes of people when it comes to severe mental retardation like this either your happy they can even exist or sad they are so horribly lifeless The same is true when it comes to people with terminal neurological disorders, I've seen two grandparents disappear to them and I won't ever let myself go that way if it ever came to it but others have a very different opinion. I don't think those girls are even aware they have no future and I think they are very tragic, others will disagree but I'm not advocating euthanasia either
There was a special class at my school where the disabled kids were essentially babysat. In my typing class, we had a period every week where we had to go to it and spend time with the children because the county said so. The teacher was super awesome, so energetic for an old woman. One of the children had what these kids have, If I recall correctly, her name was Tiffany, or Big T, as there were two Tiffanys in the class. (I later wound up living with Little T's sister by happenstance.) She was the happiest thing ever, smiling and wooping. I'd go as far as to say she was cute in her own way. I do feel sorry for these children, and I don't think its right to put them down like common live stock. They don't know they're broken. At the same time, I wonder if they do indeed feel pain from their day to day existence. I wonder if their deformed skulls, or lack of, cause their brains to physically hurt. If they are in constant pain... Should they be relived of it?
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