[QUOTE=Destitide;24223241]You're absolutely setting completely wrong examples when you beat your children. It isn't even a matter of opinion. Children who were beaten have been proven to have much higher homicide and violence rates; I know there's going to be someone in high school who says, "But my teacher says correlation doesn't equal causation!", and the short answer is that they're usually wrong.[/QUOTE]
There's a difference between beating and corporal punishment, dude. Beating is kicking the ever loving shit out of a kid in anger, corporal punishment is a spanking or a slap on the wrist to teach them a lesson.
[QUOTE=BmB;24218721]Trust me, the effect is there, however subtle.
Look for it and you will find it.[/QUOTE]
How do you know there's something wrong with him? From all of his posts he seems like a pretty well adjusted person. I can't say that I KNOW he is honestly but that's a long way from saying that there's something without a doubt wrong with him because he got a few smacks as a child.
I'm honestly surprised more people haven't gotten a swat or two as a kid. I know i got spanked like, twice total. Both times were pretty damn far apart and only when I screwed up badly. What really pisses me off however is how the moment a parent uses corporal punishment, people on here seem to assume that they're a terrible and lazy person who doesn't know how to discipline their own child. My parents are wonderful people, and i'd defend them from such an accusation any day. As for whether or not I think it's right, I think it's fine in important situations, such as those which deal with the safety of a child, and only as a last resort, after talking has failed to convince a child that an action is dangerous. But apparently, my opinion is invalid because there's just something wrong with me because I got spanked twice :downs:
[QUOTE=amcwatters;24223976]Sounds like a whole lot of babies in here. I'm a firm believer in corporal punishment. Children need to be disciplined not negotiated with.
It's about respecting your parents, too. When your parent tells you to do something, you do it. It's not a matter of discussion.[/QUOTE]
I believe your first part makes it a bit extreme but I agree completely with the respect.
seeing how some kids act now-a-days, they need a good whipping.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;24210783]No. All it does is stick the idea in their head that violence is a acceptable way to deal with things. Especially at young ages when children are so impressionable.[/QUOTE]
This is very very true.
Why hit your children? Just slap their asses in time-out for a couple of hours.
Instead of hitting, I'd just put them in time out for an extremely long period of time, to the point that he/she will never want to do that again. If my kid bullies another, that's stupid I won't hit him for hitting somebody else. I'll put him in time-out for 5 hours each day for a week.
[QUOTE=Kontradaz;24223925]Citation needed does not apply to something that should be common knowledge. And what didn't apply to your parents? Just because you ended up one way due to the way they treated you does not mean that you would have turned out worse had they not used force. Who knows, maybe you would be a better individual now had they used a different method?[/QUOTE]
I would have indeed been much worse had they not used force. And they weren't lazy, or bad parents. In fact, my relationship with my father and mother today is much more like a relationship between close friends than parents - we're on very good terms and can talk about almost anything.
My mum used to hit me with a wooden spoon when I was really young, I started to cry and started to hate her for it. I never actually was happy around her until around when I was 7 or 8, a law was passed saying you cannot smack your kids, it only lasted for several years, but when I was 12 it was revoked, I was old enough not to be hit (partially because I'm stronger than my mother now)
[QUOTE=Gluth;24224421]This is very very true.
Why hit your children? Just slap their asses in time-out for a couple of hours.
Instead of hitting, I'd just put them in time out for an extremely long period of time, to the point that he/she will never want to do that again. If my kid bullies another, that's stupid I won't hit him for hitting somebody else. I'll put him in time-out for 5 hours each day for a week.[/QUOTE]
Time-out won't do shit, the kid'll just think that all that happens when he does this is he has to sit down for a bit, he doesn't have any negative assosciations with the action except a bit of boredom.
My parents slapped me some times, but they always made sure I knew why and it was never hard enough to cause lasting damage, just a little sting so I remembered what I did and why it was wrong.
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Also parental respect is important, if a child respects you then they don't need to be punished as they will do what you say to do and stop doing what you say not to do.
Well I never got 'beat' in the sense of being punched or getting the belt. I did get spanked, to be honest thats probably the only reason I got into line so I firmly believe that at most spanking can be very beneficial to use on a child. I do disagree with anything harder than a spank though. I think spanking should be used very rarely, the best way to teacha kid what is wrong is to use a stern, loud, strong voice.
Corporal punishment is always okay.
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Cane prisoners > get media attention.
My dad just used his shoe-wearing foot. No big deal really. I, and my siblings, all learned things pretty quickly so further and future punishment was unnecessary. I mean seriously, a kick to the ass is probably the best medicine sometimes (when used appropriately, mind you).
Unlike some dog owners, most train their dog by giving them a snack when they do something right and not hit them when they do something wrong. Works there, would work on kids too.
i never did anything wrong for some reason
Misread the title and voted no :(
I'm fine with corporal punishment as long as its used in moderation only for more serious things. . . As my parents only threaten it if we don't stop doing what me or my sisters are doing, and the punishment is only generally a smack to the back of the head or hand with a wooden spoon.
(Belt or riding crop is used rarely)
No, it only makes children develop badly.
I was only verbally abused, so I was lucky.
Also:
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Fucking trolls.
Truly the only real way to make a child obey is to look at things from their prospective, black and white. Make them do things by presenting a positive or negative according to their actions. Balance the two accordingly, if they do something good, give them a positive, a toy or some shit. If they do something good, give them a negative, take away the toy for a while. Don't just yell and hit your kids.
[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;24210648]I would, hell I do it all the time[/QUOTE]
i want to slap the parent's that can't stop their kids from behaving. Specifically, the ones that can't keep their kids quiet, and then yell at them and/or hit them because they fail at parenthood.
The kids in the basement seem to be okay with it.
[QUOTE=jjsullivan;24230433]No, it only makes children develop badly.
I was only verbally abused, so I was lucky.
Also:
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Fucking trolls.
Truly the only real way to make a child obey is to look at things from their prospective, black and white. Make them do things by presenting a positive or negative according to their actions. Balance the two accordingly, if they do something good, give them a positive, a toy or some shit. If they do something good, give them a negative, take away the toy for a while. Don't just yell and hit your kids.[/QUOTE]
Yes. Eevryone who disagrees with your opinion must obviously be a troll.
[QUOTE=Destitide;24227049]Children don't understand measure of force. What they understand is that if someone does something they interpret as wrong, they are to hit them to solve the problem. It's very basic psychology, and for every child who wasn't effected negatively by beatings there are a thousand more who are.
And what makes it worse is that it's less effective than a firm tone with most children.[/QUOTE]
Please stop attempting to make yourself sound like a psychologist.
I've never been beat by my parents. Its idiotic, its just a way for the parents to vent their rage. Firm verbal discipline is much better.
My dad spanked and yelled at me when I did idiotic shit. I made me who I am, and I think I'm a better person because of it. However I won't hit my children.
Slap the fuck out of them if they get out of line.
[QUOTE=jjsullivan;24230433]No, it only makes children develop badly.
I was only verbally abused, so I was lucky.
Also:
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Fucking trolls.
Truly the only real way to make a child obey is to look at things from their prospective, black and white. Make them do things by presenting a positive or negative according to their actions. Balance the two accordingly, if they do something good, give them a positive, a toy or some shit. If they do something good, give them a negative, take away the toy for a while. Don't just yell and hit your kids.[/QUOTE]
Actually, the people who voted "yes" aren't trolls. They're just the majority.
What the fuck is this debate even about? Why does everyone assume that what the parent thinks is best is best for the child? Personally, I really don't care if corporal punishment or verbal discipline is the best method of making your children do what you want them to (although the evidence points to the latter, it's pretty irrelevant), the real question is whether what you're doing is physically enforcing your own will or demonstrating real-world consequences that your child is free to interpret.
Any proper and sustainable value-system is built on personal experience, not brainwashing, which is why you see unfortunate teenagers getting into shit when they realize that their parents' commands aren't valid and they have no personal experience to fall back on.
Good parents are those whose disciplinary actions accurately mirror those of the real world, and that's pretty fucking evident to me.
Another thing I'd like to say is that I think parent-child relationships, contrary to popular opinion, are/should be mutually voluntary. Thus punishing a child without their agreement (agreement here means "I don't like the punishment, but I value the relationship enough to accept it") is an illegitimate course of action. Restraining what a parent can demand from the child, as long as their relationship remains voluntary, is also an illegitimate course of action.
[QUOTE=Hobo4President;24238085]Please stop attempting to make yourself sound like a psychologist.[/QUOTE]
Actually, what that person who you just addressed stated can easily fall into High School level Psychology; so you need to stop attacking people for your lack of, what should be, quite well known.
[QUOTE=archangel125;24239059]Actually, the people who voted "yes" aren't trolls. They're just the majority.[/QUOTE]
Potato potato. Yes, those sound exactly the same when you read them.
My parents used Corporal Punishment on me and I'm better for it. I can't imagine parents verbally abusing their children, though. I'd rather get hit once or twice a year as a kid then grow up thinking my parents hate me.
hey guys let's provide purely anecdotal evidence to justify shitty parenting
[QUOTE=Gordy H.;24240122]I can't imagine parents verbally abusing their children, though.[/QUOTE]
Verbal abuse? What the fuck?
[QUOTE=Gordy H.;24240122]I'd rather get hit once or twice a year as a kid then grow up thinking my parents hate me.[/QUOTE]
WAT DA FUCK? :irony:
[QUOTE=Gordy H.;24240122]My parents used Corporal Punishment on me and I'm better for it.[/QUOTE]
Apparently not.
[QUOTE=Lenni;24240236]Verbal abuse? What the fuck?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, verbal abuse. Alot of parents insult and mock their children when they do things wrong.
[QUOTE=Lenni;24240236]WAT DA FUCK? :irony:[/QUOTE]
It's just my belief. I consider emotional pain/humiliation to be alot worse then physical pain.
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