• Corporal Punishment?
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[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;24211284]I got hit when I did wrong. And I turned out alright. I'm more pacifist than anything else. So I'm proof that it could at least occasionally work out alright.[/QUOTE] Well, yeah, me too. But, some might not be as fortunate. I guess I'm always going on the "Better safe than sorry"-train, but still...
Fuck, I got beat and I'm thankful for that.
[QUOTE=Jallen;24211297]What, no? Why would someone smack a kid for asking for ice cream? There is something extremely damaged in the logic center of your brain.[/QUOTE] Actually, a lot of people who often slap or beat or whatever their child even do it in such cases, because they want them not to request stuff for themself, especially muslims act like that.
[QUOTE=Vinze;24211308]Well, yeah, me too. But, some might not be as fortunate. I guess I'm always going on the "Better safe than sorry"-train, but still...[/QUOTE] Well my parents always explained to me what I did wrong along with the punishment. I think kids will be alright if they understand [I]why[/I] they're being punished. But if kids are just hit, with no explanation, nothing good can come of it.
Voted yes, I see nothing wrong with slaps or anything what doesn't hurt alot. Hell, I was slapped when I was a kid and would do something stupid, and I ended up being one of the most polite people in my school.
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;24211336]Actually, a lot of people who often slap or beat or whatever their child even do it in such cases, because they want them not to request stuff for themself, especially muslims act like that.[/QUOTE] Wierd. Well, I don't see that as having anything to do with corporal punishment though, I see it as the parents imbecilic decisions on when to punish.
I'm not going to smack my children for developing a personality. I have a fucking mouth. I can speak to them about it.
[QUOTE=Sickle;24211379]I'm not going to smack my children for developing a personality. I have a fucking mouth. I can speak to them about it.[/QUOTE] I'm not listening to you. I'M NOT LISTENING TO YOU.
It's Ok sometimes.
They make those decisions because they were taught by the same imbecilic decisions when they were young. It's better not to hit at all, because it will go out of control. To be honest I think it needs to be mandatory to pass a course in parenting before raising a child, too many stupid misconceptions survive simply because of bad parents that are bad because they had bad parents themselves.
You put beat in the title. Beating a child either means slaping(and stuff like that) it in an abusive amount or using fists. Means it is entirely wrong. As i stated before, some slaps at some really reasned times would be ok, but beating a child is a no-go.
[QUOTE=Sickle;24211379]I'm not going to smack my children for developing a personality. I have a fucking mouth. I can speak to them about it.[/QUOTE] Childeren will do what they want if it has no consequences. You talking to them is not a consequence they will even think twice about.
[QUOTE=BmB;24211411]They make those decisions because they were taught by the same imbecilic decisions when they were young. It's better not to hit at all, because it will go out of control. To be honest I think it needs to be mandatory to pass a course in parenting before raising a child, too many stupid misconceptions survive simply because of bad parents that are bad because they had bad parents themselves.[/QUOTE] A [B]mandatory[/B] parenting class? Fuck that. I'll raise my kids how I damn well please, not how any state class tells me to.
[QUOTE=BmB;24211411]They make those decisions because they were taught by the same imbecilic decisions when they were young. It's better not to hit at all, because it will go out of control. To be honest I think it needs to be mandatory to pass a course in parenting before raising a child, too many stupid misconceptions survive simply because of bad parents that are bad because they had bad parents themselves.[/QUOTE] My parents weren't bad. You're limited by your experiences. Again, I'm not saying you HAVE to beat your kids, I'm saying that it's not always as terrible as people who haven't experienced it think it is.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;24211359]Well my parents always explained to me what I did wrong along with the punishment. I think kids will be alright if they understand [I]why[/I] they're being punished. But if kids are just hit, with no explanation, nothing good can come of it.[/QUOTE] Yeah, problably. Allthough when it happened to me, I just shrugged it off. I got reduced to tears when they took away my Nintendo 64, though.
[QUOTE=Jallen;24211089]Belt, no - what the fuck? Smacks, yes. When I played up I would get a slap on the back of my thigh. Fine by me, so many people I saw back at school are doing really shit now, some on drugs, others getting drunk at least 3 times a week. I've ended up pretty good IMO.[/QUOTE] Anecdotal evidence. [QUOTE=Jallen;24211089]People saying "you're doing it wrong if you need to smack them" are just stupid in my opinion. It's only in more recent years that chavs have existed, and IMO that's because kids can be a little smartass and never have to put up with anything than a stern talking to.[/QUOTE] Do you have any evidence for causation between the decrease of corporal punishment in the home and the increase of "chavs"? Are you sure that it isn't a result of shitty parenting, a dependence on alcohol, or abusive parents? [QUOTE=Jallen;24211089]There are so many little shits thanks to the fall of smacks.[/QUOTE] Children who are hit usually develop long term mental side effects, and hitting a child usually doesn't solve long term behavioral problems. [url]http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/161/7/805[/url] [url]http://www.phoenixchildrens.com/PDFs/principles_and_practices-of_effective_discipline.pdf[/url] (Page 25 for conclusions)
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;24211388]I'm not listening to you. I'M NOT LISTENING TO YOU.[/QUOTE] Scorpi, listen to me, no Scorpi, look at me Scorpi, look at me. No, leave that firetruck there, Scorpie! *Grabs you and pulls you away from your toys, because I can* Bad Boy, no toys for you. And that Com-pu-ter you cant use either now! No Fa-ce-punch for a week!
[QUOTE=BmB;24211411]They make those decisions because they were taught by the same imbecilic decisions when they were young. It's better not to hit at all, because it will go out of control. To be honest I think it needs to be mandatory to pass a course in parenting before raising a child, too many stupid misconceptions survive simply because of bad parents that are bad because they had bad parents themselves.[/QUOTE] It's pretty annoying, disrespectful and generally ignorant that you are referring to every parent who smacks as bad parents. You are insulting a good percentage of FP's parents. [QUOTE=that1dude24;24211455]Anecdotal evidence. Do you have any evidence for the correlation between the decrease of corporal punishment in the home and the increase of "chavs"? Are you sure that it isn't a result of shitty parenting, a dependence on alcohol, or abusive parents? Children who are hit usually develop long term mental side effects, and hitting a child usually doesn't solve long term behavioral problems. [url]http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/161/7/805[/url] [url]http://www.phoenixchildrens.com/PDFs/principles_and_practices-of_effective_discipline.pdf[/url] (Page 25 for conclusions)[/QUOTE] For every study showing that smacking is bad, another study saying that smacking is good will also exist. The only viable solution unless you are prepared to read thousands of pages of studies is to go on personal experience and reasonably educated opinions.
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;24211458]Scorpi, listen to me, no Scorpi, look at me Scorpi, look at me. No, leave that firetruck there, Scorpie! *Grabs you and pulls you away from your toys, because I can* Bad Boy, no toys for you. And that Com-pu-ter you cant use either now! No Fa-ce-punch for a week![/QUOTE] Noooooooooooooooooo! :crying:
[QUOTE=Jallen;24211418]Childeren will do what they want if it has no consequences. You talking to them is not a consequence they will even think twice about.[/QUOTE] It is, you have to sit and listen and be bored :downs:
[QUOTE=archangel125;24211432]My parents weren't bad. You're limited by your experiences. Again, I'm not saying you HAVE to beat your kids, I'm saying that it's not always as terrible as people who haven't experienced it think it is.[/QUOTE] Other way around, you are limited by your experiences. See: [QUOTE=BmB;24210949]Oh yeah eh, of course if you got it yourself you are most likely inclined to think it's okay, as it was defined as normality to you, then you are also very likely to pass the suffering on to your own children, this is why it is enforcedly illegal to beat children in many countries, the parent's are simply completely incapable of seeing the wrong in it without legal "encouragement". Please realize and distance yourself from this phenomenon, see through the veil of your own perception before taking a stance.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;24211474]Noooooooooooooooooo! :crying:[/QUOTE] Deal with it :smug:
[QUOTE=BmB;24211489]Other way around, you are limited by your experiences. See:[/QUOTE] Then we can agree to disagree. But don't call my parents imbeciles when you've never met 'em, eh? It's as lame as those "ur mom" cracks.
I voted yes, But there is a limit. Hitting them once, not hard enough to cause any serious damage is fine by me as long as they've done something wrong. When you start hitting kids for pleasure, or hard enough to do damage then you're doing it wrong and it's gone too far. I was raised this way and I think it's pretty clear that I know right from wrong and am well disciplined. I fully support what my parents did when I was bad. Edit: Once my dad banged me and my brothers heads together when we were fucking around, although... I think I found it quite funny at the time :v:
I didn't say your parents were. But easy the reasoning behind beatings can be lost over a generation or two. It might not be stupid now but it can and will turn stupid very fast.
Looks like the "Yes" votes are finally getting a steady lead.
Violence is usually wrong. Using it to teach a child what is right is illogical.
Unfortunately, I was beaten as a kid, sometimes with a belt. But, I turned out... fine? :smith: I think it is okay as long as the parent doesn't overdo it.
For adults yes! children NO!
[QUOTE=BmB;24211555]I didn't say your parents were. But easy the reasoning behind beatings can be lost over a generation or two. It might not be stupid now but it can and will turn stupid very fast.[/QUOTE] Smacks have been a staple in child raising for thousands of years. In one generation the parent may be an idiot and take it too far / do it too often / for the wrong reasons, but I think that in these situations the parent would end up making some idiot decision anyway.
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