• Corporal Punishment?
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Death by killing. What a[U][B] motherf***ing[/B][/U] unnecessary sentence.
[QUOTE=Jallen;24211601]Smacks have been a staple in child raising for thousands of years. In one generation the parent may be an idiot and take it too far / do it too often / for the wrong reasons, but I think that in these situations the parent would end up making some idiot decision anyway.[/QUOTE] Exactly. Unless you're saying that every generation in human history has been traumatized and fucked up, your argument makes no sense. Kids today are far, far worse than they ever were, and extremely irresponsible.
[QUOTE=Akayz;24211619]Death by killing. What a[U][B] motherf***ing[/B][/U] unnecessary sentence.[/QUOTE] What? did you even read the OP?
[QUOTE=Akayz;24211619]Death by killing. What a[U][B] motherf***ing[/B][/U] unnecessary sentence.[/QUOTE] I do believe you're in the wrong thread, sir.
[QUOTE=archangel125;24211627]Exactly. Unless you're saying that every generation in human history has been traumatized and fucked up, your argument makes no sense. Kids today are far, far worse than they ever were, and extremely irresponsible.[/QUOTE] That's pretty much true isn't it? Sure they can deal, but they will never be as good people as they could have been.
[QUOTE=jgerm529;24210943]You guys need to distinguish between punishment and abuse.[/QUOTE] There is no difference. While bringing up a kid you should have a give/take relationship. The kid's nice, give him an ice cream. He's screaming all the time, no TV. Then you just need to hold your ground, a lot of parents give in after a bit of pestering and this will teach your kids that pestering is a good thing. Beating the child serves no purpose. The kid just needs to know when he does something wrong and then he should not do so because he knows he will get some nice stuff coming his way if he behaves. He should not be behaving because he is really scared of getting beaten. It's not different from hitting your wife. You had a bad day at work, kid is running around screaming because his favorite toy is broken, you get mad and beat him with your belt because that is the easiest solution for you. Not for the kid, for you. Now, you had a bad day at work, get home and find out that your wife has skived of work that day to go shopping. Slap her around for a bit and she will not do that again. Only difference is that the wife will probably leave you, a kid is helpless. BTW, in Sweden where I live, all forms of corporal punishment is prohibited. That includes slaps to the wrists etc.
[QUOTE=BmB;24211661]That's pretty much true isn't it? Sure they can deal, but they will never be as good people as they could have been.[/QUOTE] That's such a subjective sentence that I'm not even going to bother responding to it properly.
[QUOTE=CounterTunes;24210621]I feel sad for anyone who got beat, I haven't and I find it really sad :frown: But why do you not rival against it, would you seriously smack the fuck out of a 5 year old child because all he/she did was ask for a fucking ice-cream at the shops?[/QUOTE] I don't think anyone here is condoning beating kids because they ask for something but if the kid was throwing tantrum because he didn't get his ice cream then by all means smack him. I am against parents beating there kids but things like spanking and smacking them on the wrist are OK because it is over so quickly and in doesn't do any damage. [QUOTE=sp00ks;24210977]If you have to use violence to raise your kid you're a terrible parent. Why is it okay to hit people as long as they're children?[/QUOTE] So what do you suggest a parent do when their kid is to busy screaming its head off to listen to a word they say? Most of the time just a light smack will get a kids attention for long enough to get them to realize they are being stupid and to stop what they are doing.
[QUOTE=BmB;24211661]That's pretty much true isn't it? Sure they can deal, but they will never be as good people as they could have been.[/QUOTE] How do you know that, though? By what standard are you judging how good they are? They've achieved things that this generation, I think, could never hope to.
I once visited a place where women can live for some time after they got problems with their husbands. Well, one of them told me during a conservation that using a wet(!) towel doesnt leave any hints of the beatup. I mean seriously, people who know how to prevent leaving scars on their childs are way too advanced in this.
It's no way to go about teaching your kid not to do something, the only thing they're gonna learn is how to be an absolute cunt to people just like you're being towards them.
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;24211695] using a wet(!) towel doesnt leave any hints of the beatup.[/QUOTE] Thanks for sharing.
[QUOTE=Stenstyren;24211676]It's not different from hitting your wife. You had a bad day at work, kid is running around screaming because his favorite toy is broken, you get mad and beat him with your belt because that is the easiest solution for you. [/QUOTE] No. A good parent wouldn't hit out of anger, but out of a decision that it is the right thing to do in that situation to discipline the child.
[QUOTE=Jallen;24211469] For every study showing that smacking is bad, another study saying that smacking is good will also exist. [/QUOTE] Can you show me these studies? Most of the studies that I've read about that support spanking stay to one city, have too many external variables, are not from well known psychological or medical groups, have a small selection base, or are not done in the long term. Here is another study about the negative effects of spanking a child. It showed a much higher chance of the child being aggressive or violent. [url]http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1983895,00.html[/url] [url]http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/125/5/e1057[/url] [QUOTE=Jallen;24211469]The only viable solution unless you are prepared to read thousands of pages of studies is to go on personal experience and reasonably educated opinions.[/QUOTE] That doesn't exactly prove anything, does it? My educated opinion on the matter is that a large majority of the children I know who have been smacked are more violent than children not, suffer from bouts with depression, and are incredibly aggressive in personality. Here's the thing though, I don't know if this is caused by my area or the group of people I know. Studies are a way to mitigate that problem. By simply not reading studies you are essentially ignoring evidence because you are too lazy to read the conclusion of the study.
[QUOTE=archangel125;24211685]How do you know that, though? By what standard are you judging how good they are? They've achieved things that this generation, I think, could never hope to.[/QUOTE] Most generations sat around in a farm doing nothing for all their lives.
[QUOTE=Jallen;24211712]No. A good parent wouldn't hit out of anger, but out of a decision that it is the right thing to do in that situation to discipline the child.[/QUOTE] A good parent wouldn't hit their child to begin with. Do you have any idea how emotionally scarring it could be for the kid. Why do you think there's loads of charities against this sort of stuff, it's abuse whether they did something wrong or not.
To elaborate, a good parent wouldn't need to use force.
[QUOTE=BmB;24211776]To elaborate, a good parent wouldn't need to use force.[/QUOTE] Exactly, most of the time when a kid is trying to get your attention it's because you never spend time with them, it's not to be an annoying little shit. Work should come after family stuff, not before. Sadly it's usually the other way around nowadays.
[QUOTE=BmB;24211776]To elaborate, a good parent wouldn't need to use force.[/QUOTE] How does one become a good parent then?
How can I tell you?
[QUOTE=BmB;24211825]How can I tell you?[/QUOTE] You're the own who said it.
Smack on the wrist, no more is necessary, it doesn't particularly hurt but you know it means your parents are disappointed in you, which is what would make me cry.
[QUOTE=cyclocius;24211864]Smack on the wrist, no more is necessary, it doesn't particularly hurt but you know it means your parents are disappointed in you, which is what would make me cry.[/QUOTE] I actually never got slapped on the wrist before. It was always my cheeks, whether it be my face or my ass.
Do you want me to tell you what I think makes a good parent? That's ridiculous. It's such a deep, far reaching and elaborate subject, I could write aout it 'till morning and not be done. Hundreds, nay thousands of books have been written on the subject and for good reason. How could I possibly tell you in a simple post?
[QUOTE=BmB;24211902]Do you want me to tell you what I think makes a good parent? That's ridiculous. It's such a deep, far reaching and elaborate subject, I could write aout it 'till morning and not be done. Hundreds, nay thousands of books have been written on the subject and for good reason. How could I possibly tell you in a simple post?[/QUOTE] How else do you plan to back up what you said then? I don't want to sound like an ass, but you said that a good parent would not use force. Just explain.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;24211798]How does one become a good parent then?[/QUOTE] It doesn't invalidate his argument if he knows or not. A "good" parent wouldn't willingly harm their child, mentally or physically. He doesn't need to explain any other facets, that would simply take too long and has too many variables depending on the child.
schools need to do it because the current system of them yelling at kids does [U][B]ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL[/B][/U]
[QUOTE=Killerjc;24211957] because the current system of them [B][I][U]yelling[/U][/I] at kids does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL[/B][/QUOTE] *dingdingding* You've found the problem. No need for physical harm.
[QUOTE=that1dude24;24211948]It doesn't invalidate his argument if he knows or not. A "good" parent wouldn't willingly harm their child, mentally or physically. He doesn't need to explain any other facets, that would simply take too long and has too many variables depending on the child.[/QUOTE] If it's too complex for each individual case, then his argument is not universally valid for every "good" parent.
[QUOTE=Legend286;24211762]A good parent wouldn't hit their child to begin with. Do you have any idea how emotionally scarring it could be for the kid. Why do you think there's loads of charities against this sort of stuff, it's abuse whether they did something wrong or not.[/QUOTE] Last time I checked I wasn't emotionally scarred and I got smacks on the back of the thigh if I was a smartass or had a tantrum. I'm not going to bother with this debate any more. Everyone on the opposition seems bent on labelling kids who get smacks as emotionally scarred, more likely to be a fuck up and less fortunate than everyone else and are taking some kind of moral highground on "violence is always wrong" To me it's completely obvious that 90% of these people completely don't understand the magnitude of a smack (honestly, a bee sting is worse than a smack) and have this ridiculous black and white view on the matter that all forms of this punishment are abuse. It's just ridiculous so I'm out.
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