• Corporal Punishment?
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[QUOTE=Killerjc;24211957]schools need to do it because the current system of them yelling at kids does [U][B]ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL[/B][/U][/QUOTE] I would blame the parents. They should be properly disciplined BEFORE they go to school. And even then, I wouldn't want a teacher smacking my child. Only I, or my wife is allowed to do that. Myself and my wife are the only ones I would trust with such an action.
[QUOTE=Killerjc;24211957]schools need to do it because the current system of them yelling at kids does [U][B]ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL[/B][/U][/QUOTE] Actually, parents are the problem here, they want the teachers to do the whole stuff, but teachers arent parents and have like 30 childs at once.
[QUOTE=Killerjc;24211957]schools need to do it because the current system of them yelling at kids does [U][B]ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL[/B][/U][/QUOTE] Kids will be kids, there's no reason to allow this in schools what-so-ever. [editline]05:18PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Jallen;24212005]Last time I checked I wasn't emotionally scarred and I got smacks on the back of the thigh if I was a smartass or had a tantrum.[/QUOTE] Doesn't matter whether it happened to you or not, it happens to kids all the time.
How in the fucking hell is it NOT okay? I say parents should do what they want with their kids TO A POINT. I never got beaten or slapped or spanked for anything in my childhood. If the kids being a little shit and he doesn't listen after 3 or 4 times, slap his wrist, spank his ass, something. Always in moderation though.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;24211995]If it's too complex for each individual case, then his argument is not universally valid for every "good" parent.[/QUOTE] Spanking is shown to do more harm than good. If I piss on a specific plant, and it grows faster, does that mean I'm a good florist if I piss on all of my plants disregarding their effects?
[QUOTE=Killerjc;24211957]schools need to do it because the current system of them yelling at kids does [U][B]ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL[/B][/U][/QUOTE] THANK YOU. They think they can act all cool and like they're the shits and then when they grow up, they become obnoxious douchebags.
[QUOTE=that1dude24;24212093]Spanking is shown to do more harm than good. If I piss on a specific plant, and it grows faster, does that mean I'm a good florist if I piss on all of my plants disregarding their effects?[/QUOTE] Except parents generally don't have different kinds of children like plants. I turned out pretty damn fine. It works.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;24212171]Except parents generally don't have different kinds of children like plants.[/QUOTE] That goes against what you were saying earlier. [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;24211995]If it's too complex for each individual case, then his argument is not universally valid for every "good" parent.[/QUOTE] The parent will not typically know what kind of child they are dealing with. If in most cases spanking is proven to be detrimental, why would a "good" parent risk that chance? [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;24212171]I turned out pretty damn fine. It works.[/QUOTE] Again, anecdotal evidence. I also don't know what you are like in real life. The person himself is hardly the person to ask when trying to find out about mental afflictions. [sp]Not intending to imply that you do have a mental affliction.[/sp] :v:
[QUOTE=that1dude24;24212233]The parent will not typically know what kind of child they are dealing with. If in most cases spanking is proven to be detrimental, why would a "good" parent risk that chance? [/QUOTE] How the hell do parents not know what kind of child they have?
they don't give a shit about anything, don't take this the wrong way, but you really have to physically hurt a kid to make them do shit there's two gangs at my middle school, and there's fights every other day they get suspended, expelled, and yelled at, but do you honestly think it makes a difference? parents don't do shit because the kids usually say OH I DIDN'T DO IT THE WHITE MAN'S BRINGIN ME DOWN
Meh, I find it's only effective if you use something with a bit of power, like a sledge hammer. I tried using a baseball bat for a while but it wasn't dealing enough damage to teach the child a lesson. I heard somewhere that you learn things while you're asleep, so my logic is that if you tell the child they did wrong then knock them unconscious, then while they are blacked out they will learn to behave properly. My children are now very well behaved and never talk back to me or anything. Your mileage may vary.
I think the most a parent should use is a paddle. Lots of people were spanked as a child and didn't turn out that bad.
[QUOTE=Ali Legend;24212477]Meh, I find it's only effective if you use something with a bit of power, like a sledge hammer. I tried using a baseball bat for a while but it wasn't dealing enough damage to teach the child a lesson. I heard somewhere that you learn things while you're asleep, so my logic is that if you tell the child they did wrong then knock them unconscious, then while they are blacked out they will learn to behave properly. My children are now very well behaved and never talk back to me or anything. Your mileage may vary.[/QUOTE] Im really sure that this is a horrible troll attemp, because if you heared about saving information during sleep, you would know that it has nothing to do with the "not beeing here" and only with the falling asleep.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;24212248]How the hell do parents not know what kind of child they have?[/QUOTE] Do you really think most parents know all their childs psychological motivations, afflictions, and ideals? If so, you have a romantic idea of what most parents are like.
[QUOTE=that1dude24;24212640]Do you really think most parents know all their childs psychological motivations, afflictions, and ideals? If so, you have a romantic idea of what most parents are like.[/QUOTE] Parents should have a pretty damn good idea of who their children are.
My kids are getting swats. I did as a child and i'm not some violent asshole like some of you say.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;24212663]Parents should have a pretty damn good idea of who their children are.[/QUOTE] Should. Tell me, do you know the difference between a child that should be spanked and would have beneficial results rather than one that wouldn't?
My mom always threatened me with the belt, but never had to use it. My grandma had threatened me with sending me to live with my boring grandma. Sure I got spanked a few times, but that's par for the course. I don't think corporal punishment is ever necessary though.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;24210783]No. All it does is stick the idea in their head that violence is a acceptable way to deal with things. Especially at young ages when children are so impressionable.[/QUOTE] I got whippings and such when I was little, and I turned out a pacifist. I wouldn't say it teaches that violence is acceptable. The only thing it taught me was that my mother has a temper.
[QUOTE=that1dude24;24212775]Should. Tell me, do you know the difference between a child that should be spanked and would have beneficial results rather than one that wouldn't?[/QUOTE] For my kids, yes. Parents should have the right to raise their children as they wish.
As I know, parents like never know that their kids are Furries, that said about parents knowing their childs...
fuck you all the reason you have spoiled brats is because the parents are pussies.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;24211254]ITT: FP thinks corporal punishment ALWAYS equals abuse.[/QUOTE] No we don't, we just don't think "But I'm not hitting my kid very hard" is a good excuse for being violent towards children.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;24212831]For my kids, yes.[/QUOTE] You haven't given an example. [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;24212831]Parents should have the right to raise their children as they wish.[/QUOTE] Even when it harms the child?
[QUOTE=that1dude24;24212991]You haven't given an example. Even when it harms the child?[/QUOTE] I'm not harmed or in any way damaged from having smacks when I had tantrums and shit.
[QUOTE=that1dude24;24212775]Should. Tell me, do you know the difference between a child that should be spanked and would have beneficial results rather than one that wouldn't?[/QUOTE] My little half sister and brother. They scream at their mom, demand of her, and all sorts of things. My sister is 3 and usually goes to bed at 12 and wakes up at whenever, no naps during the day, can watch t.v. whenever she pleases, It pisses me off. [editline]10:07AM[/editline] They are japanese so whenever they want their mom to do something they just scream MAMA KITE over and over again until she comes.
[QUOTE=Jallen;24213051]I'm not harmed or in any way damaged from having smacks when I had tantrums and shit.[/QUOTE] Why do you keep using your own example? It isn't necessarily representative of the norm. I've posted links to well regarded studies that show that it is harmful much more often than not. And, again, the person himself is usually not the one to ask about their mental afflictions. [QUOTE=mzathemind;24213074]My little half sister and brother. They scream at their mom, demand of her, and all sorts of things. My sister is 3 and usually goes to bed at 12 and wakes up at whenever, no naps during the day, can watch t.v. whenever she pleases, It pisses me off. [editline]10:07AM[/editline] They are japanese so whenever they want their mom to do something they just scream MAMA KITE over and over again until she comes.[/QUOTE] The mother needs to stand up for herself, but why does that automaticially equate to hitting the child? If its a light slap, wouldn't she ignore that as well? If it's anything more, isn't that just instilling fear and leading to the afflictions I've posted earlier?
[QUOTE=Jallen;24211601]Smacks have been a staple in child raising for thousands of years. In one generation the parent may be an idiot and take it too far / do it too often / for the wrong reasons, but I think that in these situations the parent would end up making some idiot decision anyway.[/QUOTE] Assuming the earth was flat was a staple of geography for years; assuming the earth was the centre of the universe was a staple of astronomy for years; assuming that man was created as is was a staple of natural history for years. Just because it's happened for a long time doesn't mean it's right.
[QUOTE=that1dude24;24212991] Even when it harms the child?[/QUOTE] Define "harm".
[QUOTE=Hellduck;24213136]Assuming the earth was flat was a staple of geography for years; assuming the earth was the centre of the universe was a staple of astronomy for years; assuming that man was created as is was a staple of natural history for years. Just because it's happened for a long time doesn't mean it's right.[/QUOTE] All of those are beliefs founded by people to try and explain the world and the universe. None of them are anything to do with natural behaviour so that's a pretty poor comparison. Many primates (including humans) smack their young, it is an instinct based behaviour which has stood the test of natural selection.
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