[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;24213215]Define "harm".[/QUOTE]
Long term mental and social effects. Or short term physical afflictions.
Have you read the studies I have posted?
I probably have no idea what I'm talking about but I think that a little spanking now and then shouldn't hurt a child too much, especially when what he's done is really really bad. The parents should not make a habit of it though. There's this picture showing what it was like in the 1950's when a child got hit, he would stop doing whatever he did and grow up to be successful, and in the 2000's when a child got hit, he reported it to the police and they took his parents away and he grew up alone and became a failure.
What I'm trying to say is that a few good spankings seem important to me, but no spankings are way better than spankings for every little thing.
[QUOTE=that1dude24;24213298]Long term mental and social effects. Or short term physical afflictions.
Have you read the studies I have posted?[/QUOTE]
You can't predict the future for either good or bad. Including "mental and social effects" on children. If the world ran on "better safe than sorry", nothing would be ever achieved.
As for the physical afflictions, if it leaves a mark, it's too much. Short term pain is nothing serious.
My brother once pushed my face into boiling hot rice pudding....
[QUOTE=Jallen;24213265]All of those are beliefs founded by people to try and explain the world and the universe.
None of them are anything to do with natural behaviour so that's a pretty poor comparison.
Many primates (including humans) smack their young, it is an instinct based behaviour which has stood the test of natural selection.[/QUOTE]
That would be true if we were chimps, but humans would have to make a conscious decision to smack their child.
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Whether it's instinct or not is irrelevant.
From what I understand it is effective but only when used as a last resort, and with warning that it will be used if the child does not stop what they are doing. Even then it shouldn't be some over the top beating.
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[QUOTE=Strongbad;24210960]I asked for a dollar and was made to take my shirt/pants off so my parents could whip the everlasting fuck out of me with a horse whip. How is that in any way justifiable as punishment? You are an idiot.[/QUOTE]
Looks like their stupidity left a mark on you
That's the "abuse" Jgerm529 was referring to, not discipline, you don't need to call him an idiot because you tell us how badly you have been raised.
Also I would vote yes, but as some of you stated, a slap on the wrist after words, reason and an explanation of why does not work.
[QUOTE=Hellduck;24213470]That would be true if we were chimps, but humans would have to make a conscious decision to smack their child.
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Whether it's instinct or not is irrelevant.[/QUOTE]
Humans make concious decisions, yes, but some things are just done naturally. Eating, for example.
It is not irrelevant.
The fact that people naturally smack their childeren (look at any secluded society) shows that it has stood the test of natural selection and is a beneficial parenting technique.
[QUOTE=JDK721;24213525]No wonder you're retarded.[/QUOTE]
Was that really necessary?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;24213389]You can't predict the future for either good or bad. Including "mental and social effects" on children. If the world ran on "better safe than sorry", nothing would be ever achieved.[/Quote]
I don't like the idea of a person affecting a child with mental disorders for the rest of their life, solely because they couldn't think of another way to discipline their child. "Better safe than sorry" is a good idea to follow when the odds aren't in your favor.
Again, it comes to the plant analogy; If pissing on a plant works on some specific plants, but I don't know which plants, and it causes harm on other plants, what's the logical decision?
[QUOTE=Jallen;24213546]Humans make concious decisions, yes, but some things are just done naturally. Eating, for example.[/quote]
Eating cannot be compared to psychological traits of a race. One is the base for all functions of your body, the other is a constantly changing and evolving organ.
[QUOTE=Jallen;24213546]The fact that people naturally smack their childeren (look at any secluded society) shows that it has stood the test of natural selection and is a beneficial parenting technique.[/QUOTE]
Multiple studies have shown that it is detrimental, and some studies show that it does nothing beneficial in the long term.
Whether it was once beneficial isn't a good argument for it; by that logic my nipples are a very important part of my body.
[QUOTE=that1dude24;24213616]I don't like the idea of a person affecting a child with mental disorders for the rest of their life, solely because they couldn't think of another way to discipline their child. "Better safe than sorry" is a good idea to follow when the odds aren't in your favor.
Again, it comes to the plant analogy; If pissing on a plant works on some specific plants, but I don't know which plants, and it causes harm on other plants, what's the logical decision?[/QUOTE]
And how do you know not disciplining a child in this way won't cause social and mental problems? You don't.
I doubt any of these people preaching about the right way to raise a kid have any experience with the matter nor any experience with child psychology.
So shut the fuck up. All of you.
[QUOTE=Skippy!;24213725]I doubt any of these people preaching about the right way to raise a kid have any experience with the matter nor any experience with child psychology.
So shut the fuck up. All of you.[/QUOTE]
My girlfriend has a child. I help out with taking care of him. I'm not his father, though, and I'm not claiming I know everything there is about parenthood, I would like to believe I have at least a vague notion more than others.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;24213647]And how do you know not disciplining a child in this way won't cause social and mental problems? You don't.[/QUOTE]
Look at the studies. I can provide more if you need them.
Again, when the odds aren't in your favor and the risk is a childs psychological well being, why would it be a good decision to take that chance?
Nah, you gotta go with psychological warfare.
ITT: Teenagers with no parenting experience think that corporal punishment is okay.
My parents have never hurt me as a punishment :biggrin:
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;24213849]My parents have never hurt me as a punishment :biggrin:[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=JDK721;24213818]ITT: Teenagers with no parenting experience think that corporal punishment is okay.[/QUOTE]
ITT: People who think corporal punishment always means parental abuse.
ITT: Everyone was hit by there parents.
ITT - Sweeping generalizations that add nothing to the argument
When i loow at todays 12 year olds id say its pretty right sometimes.
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Also i was never hit, only yelled at.
I think Corporal Punishment is fine, as long as it is to straighten the kid out, not to take out anger, and not just an excuse to dragon kick babies.
Why my dad did to me was make me go into the furthest corner of the house and kneel there with my hands on my head and back totally straight for 15 minutes.
Shit sucks, but there's no real physical harm other than sore knees and you dont actually HIT the kid
[QUOTE=larrylumpy;24214539]Why my dad did to me was make me go into the furthest corner of the house and k[B]neel there with my hands on my head and back totally straight for 15 minutes.[/B]
Shit sucks, but there's no real physical harm other than sore knees and you dont actually HIT the kid[/QUOTE]
Did he stick his dick in your mouth or did you leave that part out?
I told my Dad no once and hit our car with a baseball bat when I got angry during a neighborhood game we were playing. I was taken home, got a belt to the ass for it, never did it again. I'm not afraid, in trauma, or hating my Dad because of it, it was for the better I think.
What the fuck would possess someone to inflict pain purposefully on their damn children.
It depends. I was pretty docile as a child but I would occasionally do things that even I think warranted being slapped, which I see absolutely nothing wrong with. As far as using instruments like a belt, I think that is a little bit more harsh, and honestly any physical punishment should probably stop after the age of 8, maybe even 6. I'd say it is useful for younger children because they might not even remember what it is they did wrong, and you can tell them multiple times before they even understand what it is you are trying to teach them. This is where a slap / belt comes in, they are going to remember being pained by something they did wrong, and will more than likely not do it again. So long as it isn't being used frequently it really should not be a problem.
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