• The Sensible Christian: Is it possible?
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[QUOTE=superdinoman;24306073]No a sensible Christian is not possible because they still believe in some part of their religion and thus they have some small shred of irrationality. Picking and choosing things from the Bible or other "holy" scripture is just as irrational as believing in the whole thing, especially when all the evidence in the world contradicts said scriptures.[/QUOTE] This is what's interesting about debates between followers of one religion (or lackthereof) and another. In most cases, both sides just like acting bigoted towards the other. They both claim they're so different, and how they're better, when in reality they're more alike than they think. They'll never admit it though. God forbid they be compared to those terrible, evil, foolish (insert here).
[QUOTE=MrAfroShark70;24306192]But you do get the general point I'm making, right?[/QUOTE] Yeah, I totally do, but classifying people as super religious generally gives away a lack of understanding toward the religion in question.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;24306195]That the less people follow the books than worship, the better they generally are?[/QUOTE] Sorry, I had to fix the spelling errors. No, I'm not saying that. People can still stick with their doctrines and live their life like that, but it's better if they had more tolerance for different ideals than their own doctrine.
[quote]The Sensible Christian[/quote] Yes it is possible. Personally the religious viewpoint to me is unnecessary but some friends I have cling on to it for their own reasons, and they aight.
Religion is illogical and irrational.
[QUOTE=TheBatman;24306283]Religion is illogical and irrational.[/QUOTE] Organized Religion is, not all belief systems in general.
[QUOTE=Bobv2;24306230]I think that people like these are only one step away from being Atheist. They only need to find the beauty of the natural world. Life has earned it's right to exist through years of hardship. They also need to realize that their religion condones twice as many horrible, horrible things as it does good things, and realize that the good isn't exclusive to religion. There's an amazing universe out there waiting to be studied and understood, and there's goodness a hundred fold compared to "God," which if he existed, deserves our scorn and hatred, not our worship and admiration. And plus, if you really look at it, the bible doesn't give life and people nearly as much credit as they deserve. I think the world is a much more amazing place in the eyes of a scientist than the eyes of a Christian.[/QUOTE] God hasn't condoned horrible, horrible things. The misconceptions that humans have are responsible for that. [QUOTE=TheBatman;24306283]Religion is illogical and irrational.[/QUOTE] Care to elaborate? I'd agree that some of religion is most certainly irrational and illogical. Did you mean to address faith in a deity?
[QUOTE=TheBatman;24306283]Religion is illogical and irrational.[/QUOTE] :doh: Here we go.
trinity, you have my respect. It is really sad that this thread is probably gonna be a fight. Hey, I have an idea. Why not everyone post their own personal beliefs? No comments on others on religious respect, because this was posted respectfully and without comtempt for others. But just so show the diverse beliefs of people that cannot be described by simple terms like 'agnostic' 'atheist' 'christian' ect. ect. People are people. They are individual. They don't follow religious beliefs to the letter in every situation. So why not explain your own views? that sounded a lot more angry than intended D: I meant it as a suggestion~
I pray constantly and read my bible daily, however I have friends who are Christians who I don't personally note as "religious" or they're lacking in their worship. In this regard, I would be super religious and they would be religious to non-religious folk, when to me, I'm religious, and they're Christian by name alone. See what I mean?
[QUOTE=thirty9th;24305921][B]2.) All religions worship the same God[/B][I]But thirty9th, how does one equate religions with multiple deities (e.g. Hinduism) with monotheistic religions (e.g. Christianity)?[/I] This is a region where I break from traditional thought. I believe that polytheistic religions worship [I]different facets or aspects of the same God.[/I] How the human mind chooses to interpret the presence of a deity could have varied from one civilization to the next. [/QUOTE] What if the monotheists are just attributing to one god the powers of many? You may be somewhat sensible. I have yet to judge that. But, like many religious people, you still look at things in such a self-centered fashion, as if other religions somehow [I]learned[/I] [I]or grew out[/I] from yours. There is no evidence that anyone ever saw or directly contacted a god, so where did people come up with the idea? I bet it was all just early attempts to explain things we did not yet understand. Regardless, [B]there is no way we can even attempt to answer the question of whether gods can exist if we can't even figure out where we would have got the idea of what a god is in the first place.[/B]
[QUOTE=thirty9th;24306300]God hasn't condoned horrible, horrible things. The misconceptions that humans have are responsible for that. Care to elaborate?[/QUOTE] Read the bible. Shit bricks of hatred. EDIT: Also millions of Africans are starving every day. I'm sure it's all serving a higher purpose, though. It couldn't possibly be a cruel sadistic joke.
[QUOTE=MrAfroShark70;24306273]Sorry, I had to fix the spelling errors. No, I'm not saying that. People can still stick with their doctrines and live their life like that, but it's better if they had more tolerance for different ideals than their own doctrine.[/QUOTE] That's the viewpoint of someone non-religious. Not all religious individuals share the same viewpoint, however a lot of people like to make this the general idea.
[QUOTE=3picFail;24305957]hai thar, prove that God exists. i really do want to believe the things mentioned in the OP though, but there isn't much to support it with strongly.[/QUOTE] Hi there,prove God doesnt "exists". But seriously, why do atheists care? It gives people a sense of being special and it also instills value. Tl;dr WHY THE FUCK DO YOU CARE?
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[QUOTE=amcwatters;24306307]I pray constantly and read my bible daily, however I have friends who are Christians who I don't personally note as "religious" or they're lacking in their worship. In this regard, I would be super religious and they would be religious to non-religious folk, when to me, I'm religious, and they're Christian by name alone. See what I mean?[/QUOTE] I can see the paradox in that thinking but would you just have me rather say very religious people?
[QUOTE=amcwatters;24306133]"Super religious people" are the only ones probably following their respective doctrines. Most religions propagate the same idea in that you have an obligation to spread it's concepts.[/QUOTE] You will see many of these people going outside of the text and making their own judgements. Beyond that you have to add in that people come up with their own interpretations and own ranking for what is most important (which is usually what they agree with most).
[IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/35lyl4p.jpg[/IMG] Well, looks like i'm a bit late.
[QUOTE=revanade;24306346]Hi there,prove God doesnt "exists". But seriously, why do atheists care? It gives people a sense of being special and it also instills value. Tl;dr WHY THE FUCK DO YOU CARE?[/QUOTE] If you're religious: Why are you swearing? What religion do you hold to where this is acceptable? If you're not religious, well, I don't really have anything to ask. [editline]09:08PM[/editline] [QUOTE=MrAfroShark70;24306361]I can see the paradox in that thinking but would you just have me rather say very religious people?[/QUOTE] Yeah, sounds more accurate, really.
[QUOTE=Bobv2;24306325]Read the bible. Shit bricks of hatred.[/QUOTE] Read the bible, and take only the good. Their are some horrible professings of atheists and your not jumping cliffs because of them right? I'm sure not. *cough*thunderf00t*cough* If the bible did have some kind of good-all-round version it would be nice though. The only Christians that abide to the very word of the bible are vatican catholics and born-again christians. Of course they take the path of organised religion, which pretty much makes them sheep.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBd22uLGpss[/media] Probably one of my favorite people on this type of topic, Ive met him before and he is a pretty cool guy.
[QUOTE=revanade;24306346]Hi there,prove God doesnt "exists". But seriously, why do atheists care? It gives people a sense of being special and it also instills value. Tl;dr WHY THE FUCK DO YOU CARE?[/QUOTE] Can't prove a negative, jack. Why do we care? Well, I guess your right. I mean, looking at history it seems that whenever people stopped caring about a situation it ended up perfectly alright for everyone.
[QUOTE=jjsullivan;24306392]Read the bible, and take only the good. Their are some horrible professings of atheists and your not jumping cliffs because of them right? I'm sure not. *cough*thunderf00t*cough* If the bible did have some kind of good-all-round version it would be nice though.[/QUOTE] God I hate/like thunderf00t. Because sometimes he makes very good points but most of the time he just complains about religion.
[QUOTE=jjsullivan;24306392]Read the bible, and take only the good. Their are some horrible professings of atheists and your not jumping cliffs because of them right? I'm sure not. *cough*thunderf00t*cough* If the bible did have some kind of good-all-round version it would be nice though.[/QUOTE] yeah, but guess what I DON'T WORSHIP ATHEISTS AS THE PERFECT SONS OF TRUTH NOW DO I. And the hell are you talking about boy, Thunderf00t kicks ass.
[QUOTE=MrAfroShark70;24306424]God I hate/like thunderf00t. Because sometimes he makes very good points but most of the time he just complains about religion.[/QUOTE] thunderf00t "DEATH TO ALL MUSLIMS!" uhh, that sorta made me just stay away.
[QUOTE=jjsullivan;24306392]Read the bible, and take only the good. Their are some horrible professings of atheists and your not jumping cliffs because of them right? I'm sure not. *cough*thunderf00t*cough* If the bible did have some kind of good-all-round version it would be nice though.[/QUOTE] One really huge detail non-religious people don't hear much is about the New Testament being... the [i]New[/i] testament. As in, the old is put away with. Christians don't believe in stoning, as much as some people like to say.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;24306319]What if the monotheists are just attributing to one god the powers of many? You may be somewhat sensible. I have yet to judge that. But, like many religious people, you still look at things in such a self-centered fashion, as if other religions somehow [I]learned[/I] [I]or grew out[/I] from yours. There is no evidence that anyone ever saw or directly contacted a god, so where did people come up with the idea? I bet it was all just early attempts to explain things we did not yet understand. Regardless, [B]there is no way we can even attempt to answer the question of whether gods can exist if we can't even figure out where we would have got the idea of what a god is in the first place.[/B][/QUOTE] This is a very good point, and one central to what I believe. "Where [i]would[/i] we have gotten the idea of what a god is?" It's a very good question and one that I ponder frequently. [QUOTE=Bobv2;24306325]Read the bible. Shit bricks of hatred. EDIT: Also millions of Africans are starving every day. I'm sure it's all serving a higher purpose, though. It couldn't possibly be a cruel sadistic joke.[/QUOTE] Again, didn't read the OP. I believe most of the Bible is of man's creation, not divinely inspired. I don't pretend to know why Africa is poor and starving, except the fact that there are drug lords leeching off about 50% of our aid. Again, couldn't it just be caused by man? Does every bad thing have to be blamed on God?
[QUOTE=MrAfroShark70;24306424]God I hate/like thunderf00t. Because sometimes he makes very good points but most of the time he just complains about religion.[/QUOTE] god why do people even complain at all dont they know that if they just stay quiet then everything will fix itself god
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;24306440] I DON'T WORSHIP ATHEISTS AS THE PERFECT SONS OF TRUTH NOW DO I. [/QUOTE] That's exactly what I said.
[QUOTE=Azurionas;24306304]trinity, you have my respect. It is really sad that this thread is probably gonna be a fight. Hey, I have an idea. Why not everyone post their own personal beliefs? No comments on others on religious respect, because this was posted respectfully and without comtempt for others. But just so show the diverse beliefs of people that cannot be described by simple terms like 'agnostic' 'atheist' 'christian' ect. ect. People are people. They are individual. They don't follow religious beliefs to the letter in every situation. So why not explain your own views?[/QUOTE] My two cents: I don't believe in god. People need to work together as one and not fight because one person believes in an imaginary being that's different or says to live your life differently than the other persons. It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Now lets all work together for the greater good of man kind. I'd rather everyone be atheist -because that seems to be the most "scientific" to me but that's beside the point- but that won't happen in my lifetime so the best we can do is stop forcing our believes on others and not give a shit about what other people believe in. As far as I'm concerned, if your belief is not in some way inhibiting scientific advance, then I don't care if you worship the sun for 5 hours a day and wear razor wire around your balls to show your love to your deity. It just doesn't matter.
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