• The Sensible Christian: Is it possible?
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[QUOTE=jjsullivan;24306392]Read the bible, and take only the good. Their are some horrible professings of atheists and your not jumping cliffs because of them right? I'm sure not. *cough*thunderf00t*cough* If the bible did have some kind of good-all-round version it would be nice though.[/QUOTE] Atheism is not a religion. He was not under some scripture when one of us does something contemptible. Christians can not say this. Also, why believe only the good parts? And if you do, God will send you to hell because he loves you. (Rev 22:19)
Religion Threads 101: "You're wrong and subhuman!" "No you're wrong and subhuman!"
[QUOTE=thirty9th;24306447]I don't pretend to know why Africa is poor and starving, except the fact that there are drug lords leeching off about 50% of our aid. Again, couldn't it just be caused by man? Does every bad thing have to be blamed on God?[/QUOTE] God is omnipotent. If he exists, he could solve these problems with a flick of his finger, not even that. If you assume God exists and take all of his powers into account, the only conclusion you could make is that he has no will to stop it. EDIT: Automerged my break
Thank you OvB, for replying to me. You seem to be one of the few posts in here that isn't an argument with someone else, and that's comforting for some reason. I'd quote you but I'm retarded and don't know how.
[QUOTE=thirty9th;24306447]This is a very good point, and one central to what I believe. "Where [i]would[/i] we have gotten the idea of what a god is?" It's a very good question and one that I ponder frequently. Again, didn't read the OP. I believe most of the Bible is of man's creation, not divinely inspired. I don't pretend to know why Africa is poor and starving, except the fact that there are drug lords leeching off about 50% of our aid. Again, couldn't it just be caused by man? Does every bad thing have to be blamed on God?[/QUOTE] Not exactly a puzzle. I can solve that one for you. God is an alpha male figure, taking advantage of our natural desire to follow a strong and beneficent leader and our ability to create models of people inside our minds. By using the system we use to empathize with other people we can create our own illusion of a person, God.
[QUOTE=1STrandomman;24306246]This is what's interesting about debates between one followers of one religion (or lackthereof) and another. In most cases, both sides just like acting bigoted towards the other. They both claim they're so different, and how they're better, when in reality they're more alike than they think. They'll never admit it though. God forbid they be compared to those terrible, evil, foolish (insert here).[/QUOTE] Oh hey there I guess I missed this. Im sorry but are you the one with degrees in Life science and Social sciences? No? Didnt think so.
[QUOTE=Bobv2;24306486]Atheism is not a religion. He was not under some scripture when one of us does something contemptible. Christians can not say this. Also, why believe only the good parts? And if you do, God will send you to hell because he loves you. (Rev 22:19)[/QUOTE] Actually that passage only refers to Revelation as a book. The Bible isn't a document in itself, merely a collection of letters/biographies/personal accounts. [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;24306531]Not exactly a puzzle. I can solve that one for you. God is an alpha male figure, taking advantage of our natural desire to follow a strong and beneficent leader and our ability to create models of people inside our minds. By using the system we use to empathize with other people we can create our own illusion of a person, God.[/QUOTE] Care to cite some sauces? This is an interesting theory, and I have yet to take any courses that mention it. I'd appreciate any information.
[QUOTE=Bobv2;24306486]Also, why believe only the good parts? And if you do, God will send you to hell because he loves you. (Rev 22:19)[/QUOTE] I don't appreciate the tone of this post, but more so I hate the idea of people thinking it's okay to take parts of the Christian Bible and leave or disacknowledge others. [editline]09:16PM[/editline] [QUOTE=thirty9th;24306542]Actually that passage only refers to Revelation as a book. The Bible isn't a document in itself, merely a collection of letters/biographies/personal accounts.[/QUOTE] You are also right.
[QUOTE=jjsullivan;24306471]That's exactly what I said.[/QUOTE] That's the basic assumption of Christianity. That the bible is right.
[QUOTE=Bobv2;24306486]Atheism is not a religion. He was not under some scripture when one of us does something contemptible. Christians can not say this. Also, why believe only the good parts? And if you do, God will send you to hell because he loves you. (Rev 22:19)[/QUOTE] I am a Secular Humanist, I know atheism is not a religion but some people can get a bit hyped up on others speeches. I guess this mainly makes a subculture really. Still, I was just speaking in slight defense of religion. Bottom line is I'm happy as long as they sit in a pew and praise jesus or whatever and don't bother me, and maybe have a nice talk with them. If they do anything out of line like bombing buildings and such like the [B]RADICAL[/B] muslims did I will make a well deserved mockery of them. And WBC of course.
[QUOTE=amcwatters;24306547]I don't appreciate the tone of this post, but more so I hate the idea of people thinking it's okay to take parts of the Christian Bible and leave or disacknowledge others. [editline]09:16PM[/editline] You are also right.[/QUOTE] Exactly! Now let's go kill us some gays and sell us some daughters!
[QUOTE=mastermaul;24306490]Religion Threads 101: "You're wrong and subhuman!" "No you're wrong and subhuman!"[/QUOTE] Actually my whole point is to get around that sort of thing. =p [editline]d[/editline] My apologies if I'm not making it to anyone's replies. I'm keeping track of several different people here, haha.
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[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;24306592]Exactly! Now let's go kill us some gays and sell us some daughters![/QUOTE] :raise:
[QUOTE=amcwatters;24306547]I don't appreciate the tone of this post, but more so I hate the idea of people thinking it's okay to take parts of the Christian Bible and leave or disacknowledge others.[/QUOTE] If you believe and follow the bible word for word, you deserve no respect. Chances are you don't. [QUOTE=thirty9th;24306542]Actually that passage only refers to Revelation as a book. The Bible isn't a document in itself, merely a collection of letters/biographies/personal accounts.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=The Bible]And if any man shall take away from the words of the [B]book[/B] of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this [B]book[/B].[/QUOTE] I think God makes it perfectly clear, you're either with him 100% or you're going to hell.
[QUOTE=jjsullivan;24306591]I am a Secular Humanist, I know atheism is not a religion but some people can get a bit hyped up on others speeches. I guess this mainly makes a subculture really. Still, I was just speaking in slight defense of religion. Bottom line is I'm happy as long as they sit in a pew and praise jesus or whatever and don't bother me, and maybe have a nice talk with them. If they do anything out of line like bombing buildings and such like the [B]RADICAL[/B] muslims did I will make a well deserved mockery of them.[/QUOTE] or try to teach their ideas in publicly funded schools or support efforts to ban gay marriage and abortion or rape little boys and ship the offenders off somewhere else scot free
[QUOTE=mastermaul;24306490]Religion Threads 101: "You're wrong and subhuman!" "No you're wrong and subhuman!"[/QUOTE] I got to admit, that me laugh my ass off. Because it's so true.
[QUOTE=amcwatters;24306605]:raise:[/QUOTE] Looks like someone hasn't read Exodus. It's my favorite chapter.
[QUOTE=Bobv2;24306610]I think God makes it perfectly clear, you're either with him 100% or you're going to hell.[/QUOTE] Pretty much. I'm pretty sure Jesus said something along the lines of you being with him or against him.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;24306615]or try to teach their ideas in publicly funded schools or support efforts to ban gay marriage and abortion or rape little boys and ship the offenders off somewhere else scot free[/QUOTE] Which my friend steve from Sacramento does not do.
[QUOTE=amcwatters;24306307]I pray constantly and read my bible daily, however I have friends who are Christians who I don't personally note as "religious" or they're lacking in their worship. In this regard, I would be super religious and they would be religious to non-religious folk, when to me, I'm religious, and they're Christian by name alone. See what I mean?[/QUOTE] Damn, must be a great read then?
[QUOTE=amcwatters;24306446]One really huge detail non-religious people don't hear much is about the New Testament being... the [i]New[/i] testament. As in, the old is put away with. Christians don't believe in stoning, as much as some people like to say.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;24306628]Looks like someone hasn't read Exodus. It's my favorite chapter.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=thirty9th;24306597]Actually my whole point is to get around that sort of thing. =p [editline]d[/editline] My apologies if I'm not making it to anyone's replies. I'm keeping track of several different people here, haha.[/QUOTE] I don't mean the OP, but that's always how the thread ends up.
[QUOTE=Bobv2;24306515]God is omnipotent. If he exists, he could solve these problems with a flick of his finger, not even that. If you assume God exists and take all of his powers into account, the only conclusion you could make is that he has no will to stop it. EDIT: Automerged my break[/QUOTE] To simplify things, look at it this way: God is a father figure, and humanity is his child. If your child broke a window, would you let him off and allow him to continue breaking windows, or would you make him pay for the window?
[QUOTE=jjsullivan;24306634]Which my friend steve from Sacramento does not do.[/QUOTE] Then Steve will not be killed. This day.
[QUOTE=amcwatters;24306633]Pretty much. I'm pretty sure Jesus said something along the lines of you being with him or against him.[/QUOTE] only a sith deals in absolute [img]http://lastrow.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/obi-wan-kenobi.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=amcwatters;24306653][/QUOTE] Find me one single statement from the New Testament that says the old testament is void.
[QUOTE=Bobv2;24306610]I think God makes it perfectly clear, you're either with him 100% or you're going to hell.[/QUOTE] The way your putting it, it sounds like you have to do everything god says no matter what, and you can't have freewill. I'm not saying that was your point, but it sounds like it.
Leave people to believe whatever they want, that's all there is to it okay?
Religion should be your private thing and not spreading around on the streets like moron. I hate those people who comes randomly at you and say "Believe Jehova!!!!" or muslims "Your god is fake". How about you believe something you want, and be quiet about it.
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