• The Sensible Christian: Is it possible?
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[QUOTE=1STrandomman;24306670]To simplify things, look at it this way: God is a father figure, and humanity is his child. If your child broke a window, would you let him off and allow him to continue breaking windows, or would you make him pay for the window?[/QUOTE] Well since I'm God I remake him into a perfect being that doesn't make mistakes as petty as those.
[QUOTE=MuTAnT;24306645]Damn, must be a great read then?[/QUOTE] The fact you used "damn" in the sentence is a little funny to me, but more on the point: Yeah, I like to know my religion. I'd say, "I like to be educated," but of course someone here is going to tear my words apart, one thing about being religious for me is that I'm a bit scared to say anything about it, or I'm not very vocal in some instances, sometimes I plainly state things, though.
[QUOTE=1STrandomman;24306670]To simplify things, look at it this way: God is a father figure, and humanity is his child. If your child broke a window, would you let him off and allow him to continue breaking windows, or would you make him pay for the window?[/QUOTE] I wouldn't let my child starve to death if he couldn't pick up self-sufficiency fast enough.
[QUOTE=Bobv2;24306610]I think God makes it perfectly clear, you're either with him 100% or you're going to hell.[/QUOTE] Again, the verse you quoted refers to a book of prophecy, a.k.a Revelation. THE book of prophecy in the Bible.
[QUOTE=MrAfroShark70;24306704]The way your putting it, it sounds like you have to do everything god says no matter what, and you can't have freewill. I'm not saying that was your point, but it sounds like it.[/QUOTE] The guy who killed a guy for not knocking up his brothers wife is a control freak? no
[QUOTE=1STrandomman;24306670]To simplify things, look at it this way: God is a father figure, and humanity is his child. If your child broke a window, would you let him off and allow him to continue breaking windows, or would you make him pay for the window?[/QUOTE] God is not real, god is a concept of the brain created during a time in our evolutionary past to help ease us through the confusions of mortality and gives us a controlling figure and something more to strive for. Now we dont need god, as we can understand that he is no more than a fantasy figure created in the past of our species. There is no magical soul to carry on after we die, no "ghost" inside our fleshy shells, only a complex organ capable of multiple personalities and simulations. Our perception of thought is merely based upon our past experiences and current stimuli being fed into the brain. Stop believing in fantasies and live in the real world, your petty god is not going to save you.
[QUOTE=revanade;24306346]Hi there,prove God doesnt "exists". But seriously, why do atheists care? It gives people a sense of being special and it also instills value. Tl;dr WHY THE FUCK DO YOU CARE?[/QUOTE] Atheists care because of the separation of church and state, and how that separation is being violated by many religions. Remember, that every decision you make is based upon what you believe as a human being. (Psychology and philosophy 101 here) Now imagine heads of state making decisions for everyone based upon Christian beliefs, and you will see why this is unfair and goes against the spirit of the law. Also, atheists do not have to prove anything. Atheists are citing the lack of proof as their reason for not believing. In other words... the onus is on you to deliver proof. If you can't, don't bother talking to atheists, because your words will fall on deaf ears. Besides, seriously, how can you prove God [I]doesn't[/I] exist? That's operating on the pretense that something exists, which is not how science OR philosophy is conducted. And as I said earlier, the God exists/doesn't exist argument is pointless and will never go anywhere until we discover how man could have "discovered" the concept of a god.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;24306676]Then Steve will not be killed. This day.[/QUOTE] He is raising a 2-year-old and a 1-year-old in a completely free manor, they do not incessantly shove jesus down their throats. The only thing you could consider that to be is church. imo, I think they will grow up to make their own decision. Not to be contradictory or anything but, why are you such a killjoy? Your slowly turning into the thing you most hate, and so do I.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;24306718]Well since I'm God I remake him into a perfect being that doesn't make mistakes as petty as those.[/QUOTE] The apparent pettiness is a result of the simplification. The truth is much worse.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24306707]Leave people to believe whatever they want, that's all there is to it okay?[/QUOTE] I think everyone should learn from this man and follow his advice.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;24306691]Find me one single statement from the New Testament that says the old testament is void.[/QUOTE] Give me a bit to find it, I'm a rather bad study, and don't have notes or sticky notes in my bible like my friends do. Jesus states it in the New Testament.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24306707]Leave people to believe whatever they want, that's all there is to it okay?[/QUOTE] Yes.
Not all religions worship the same God at all. Throughout history there have been so many different religious groups that choose to worship God in a different manner than other groups. Just as a quick example, the protestants believe in predestination, that God is all knowing and there is nothing you can do to change your fate. At the same time this group existed there was another group that believed the exact opposite. The whole "God is forgiving" stuff didn't really come into play until after St. Augustine and at the time there were a lot of people who didn't agree with it.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;24306737]The guy who killed a guy for not knocking up his brothers wife is a control freak? no[/QUOTE] :psyduck: I'm having trouble following the logic in this
[QUOTE=MrAfroShark70;24306704]The way your putting it, it sounds like you have to do everything god says no matter what, and you can't have freewill. I'm not saying that was your point, but it sounds like it.[/QUOTE] That's not my point, but the bible makes that perfectly clear. However, the bible DOES say that humanity should have free will while we're following God 110%. The bible also says that we should beat our insubordinate slaves while we're not owning slaves. It's impossible to follow the bible completely because 9 times out of 10 you're breaking one rule while following another. Which breaks the rule of having to follow the bible completely. There's so many contradictions it's amazing. It's simply too poorly writted to the point where it's foolish to base your life off of.
[QUOTE=Pappi_man;24306711]Religion should be your private thing and not spreading around on the streets like moron. I hate those people who comes randomly at you and say "Believe Jehova!!!!" or muslims "Your god is fake". How about you believe something you want, and be quiet about it.[/QUOTE] Then you should have the same belief about any group trying to promote themselves.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24306707]Leave people to believe whatever they want, that's all there is to it okay?[/QUOTE] Good. You get it. One of the main points in my OP, spread one's ideals by example. If others choose to follow that path, then that's how it spreads. Free will. [QUOTE=Pepin;24306814]Then you should have the same belief about any group trying to promote themselves.[/QUOTE] I certainly do.
[QUOTE=Bobv2;24306813]That's not my point, but the bible makes that perfectly clear. However, the bible DOES say that humanity should have free will while we're following God 110%. The bible also says that we should beat our insubordinate slaves while we're not owning slaves. It's impossible to follow the bible completely because 9 times out of 10 you're breaking one rule while following another. Which breaks the rule of having to follow the bible completely. There's so many contradictions it's amazing. It's simply too poorly writted to the point where it's foolish to base your life off of.[/QUOTE] It's so people think they're committing sins and give the church money to cleanse them tbh I respect religion and religious folk but the majority of churches seem like cash cows to me
oh, Trinity I just realized I never answered the thread's question. Yes, a sensible Christian is quite possible. Since you prefer the term 'deist' I can't call you one, but I will say in my opinion you're a very sensible person.
"Leave people to believe whatever they want, that's all there is to it okay?" I have no fucking clue how people can say this. People's beliefs are very important. Knowing what motivates people is very important. [highlight]Your stance on whether we should stone people to death or not is very important.[/highlight] EDIT: And it's very aggravating trying to understand people (E.G. being the open minded person they want me to be) when you hit this wall of shit.
[QUOTE=1STrandomman;24306757]The apparent pettiness is a result of the simplification. The truth is much worse.[/QUOTE] The fact that I said petty was a mistake. What I meant was, doesn't make mistakes. Period. A perfect organism. Unmotivated by petty greed or pride. Not limited by insatiable and unachievable standards. Inhumanly intelligent, a creative and loving computer. The perfect denizen of the cosmos. Why the hell would I create a stupid bumbling bunch of baboons that bicker over trifles and trivialities? Why would I create a spark when I could create a great fire?
[QUOTE=kellybear;24306831]It's so people think they're committing sins and give the church money to cleanse them tbh I respect religion and religious folk but the majority of churches seem like cash cows to me[/QUOTE] Very astute observation, and one of the main reasons I don't attend church anymore. [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;24306855]Why the hell would I create a stupid bumbling bunch of baboons that bicker over trifles and trivialities? Why would I create a spark when I could create a great fire?[/QUOTE] Why, indeed? Maybe for the pleasure of observing something so inherently different from oneself?
[QUOTE=thirty9th;24306822]Free will. [/QUOTE] Free will is an illusion created by the human concept of thought, there really is no free will.
[QUOTE=kellybear;24306806]:psyduck: I'm having trouble following the logic in this[/QUOTE] welcome to the bible leave your mixed fabrics at the door
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;24306855]The fact that I said petty was a mistake. What I meant was, doesn't make mistakes. Period. A perfect organism. Unmotivated by petty greed or pride. Not limited by insatiable and unachievable standards. Inhumanly intelligent, a creative and loving computer. The perfect denizen of the cosmos. Why the hell would I create a stupid bumbling bunch of baboons that bicker over trifles and trivialities? Why would I create a spark when I could create a great fire?[/QUOTE] Because perfection is boring as hell.
[QUOTE=Bobv2;24306846]"Leave people to believe whatever they want, that's all there is to it okay?" I have no fucking clue how people can say this. People's beliefs are very important. Knowing what motivates people is very important. [highlight]Your stance on whether we should stone people to death or not is very important.[/highlight][/QUOTE] Of course peoples beliefs matter, if they are deserving of mockery and being under the microscope then do not hesitate in doing so. Freedom of Belief is an unalienable right, if you do believe in something controversial that leads you to doing something stupid then you do deserve ridicule.
the not arrogant teen atheist: is it possible?
[QUOTE=superdinoman;24306868]Free will is an illusion created by the human concept of thought, there really is no free will.[/QUOTE] Free will is an abstract. It's not non existent, we just don't know quite what it means. It's not like you have it. You're controlled by your impulses.
[QUOTE=abcpea;24306888]the not arrogant teen atheist: is it possible?[/QUOTE] another quality post by abcpea
[QUOTE=amcwatters;24306446]One really huge detail non-religious people don't hear much is about the New Testament being... the [i]New[/i] testament. As in, the old is put away with. Christians don't believe in stoning, as much as some people like to say.[/QUOTE]"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. - Matthew 5:17-19 It speaks nothing but good of a person's own moral judgement when they don't listen to the lunacy that is prevalent in the Old Testament, but don't pretend you're following God's word or anything.
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