[QUOTE=Swebonny;19012506]Effects someones opinion? I don't know what you are talking about, but I find it strange that a person can think that masturbation is wrong, hence wondering if he was religious.[/QUOTE]
Well to be honest, Muslims are not allowed to masturbate. It is another way of Abortion in there eyes.
Its your life, you don't want to have the baby, don't. Abortion is fine in my opinion.
[QUOTE=SenorJose;19012411]It's wrong anyway, but it's not murder because no intercourse has happened. It's difficult to explain.[/QUOTE]
Masturbation is wrong?
It's really not. There are numerous health benefits to masturbation; most notably in males it decreases the chance of prostate cancer if done frequently enough. In addition it's a great way to blow off steam! Not to mention if you've got time to kill it does wonders :v:
But still, repressing urges to masturbate is now widely understood to be unhealthy. Are you male? Well I hope you masturbate.
(Not to say that women can't join in with a bit of fun but as far as I'm aware it's not actually unhealthy for them not to go on a date with Rosie Palms)
[QUOTE=SenorJose;19012495]I know i'm digging myself a hole here so if you don't mind i'm going to leave before I make myself look like an even bigger ass.[/QUOTE]
You already dug a hole, and you know it, so you leave and pretend you didn't act like an idiot.
There's nothing wrong with abortions, it's just not an alternative to contraception.
[QUOTE=SenorJose;19012479]Yes I am and don't start jumping on the bandwagon 'religion is retarded hurr' I'm not the pope,[B] i'm just a stupid kid[/B] so don't expect me to know everything.[/QUOTE]
Thank you, at least that is a statement we can all agree.
Why is abortion such a huge matter in US anyway? Why is it not considered the choice of the woman? There is a significant difference between a fetus and a few cells clumped together, where we draw the line is another matter...
And please don't give me the "life begins at conception" crap, DNA merging is not the beginning of life, if it was so, then you would have millions of lives inside you whenever you got the flu (when a virus got into your cells). Hell, the virus might even be carrying human DNA!
Not an argument.
It is the choice of the person who it effects, not us, or the state.
How can you be murdered if you were never born.
Well that doesn't really make sense but if I crack open an egg. Do I murder the chick that was in the egg?
But yeah. Abortion is great; I want what y'all hippies are smokin'
[QUOTE=sp00ks;19012543]You already dug a hole, and you know it, so you leave and pretend you didn't act like an idiot.[/QUOTE]
That's what i'm trying to admit.
I've been an ass and acted idiotic but I still believe that abortion is wrong.
It's my fucking sperm, don't you fucking abort it woman!
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[QUOTE=Splurgy;19012458][img]http://www.fredcamper.com/PF/Friedrich/01.jpg[/img]
No, mummy! Don't kill me! It's not like I'm significantly different to the egg you menstruate every month and one of the countless spermatozoa that daddy flushes down the loo when he's got time on his hands but don't kill me![/QUOTE]
More like:
[img]http://angela-stevens.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/fetus.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Wakka;19012831]It's my fucking sperm, don't you fucking abort it woman!
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Well played sir.
It's up to the man whether the woman should have an abortion or not.
[QUOTE=SenorJose;19012773]That's what i'm trying to admit.
I've been an ass and acted idiotic but I still believe that abortion is wrong.[/QUOTE]
But [i]why[/i]?
I think it should just be up to the parent.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;19012214]Why not? You're not "loosing" any more life than if you had used a condom.
Are you also against "the morning after" pill?[/QUOTE]
Any reason you said "loosing" in quotes? Seems like you're implying I said it in my post, which I didn't.
but anyway abortion is a bit different than using a condom, because if you use a condom the conception never happens. I suppose if it's in the very early stages of pregnancy it's not as bad, but even then it just seems they should have been more careful not to get pregnant in the first place.
A study in the US showed that by legalising abortion in the 70's, it lowered the crime rate in the 90's because mothers were not forced to have children they didn't want - resulting in these kids not growing up without a decent family and turning to crime.
That's the main reason why I'm all for abortion.
[QUOTE=altofproudfoot;19012387]It doesn't have our level of intelligence, that doesn't grant us a license to kill.[/QUOTE]
This is killing in the same way that when you wash your hands, you kill bacteria.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;19012094]For every baby we cannot abort, I will dropkick 3 pregnant women in the stomach.[/QUOTE]
i will do this too.
[QUOTE=Wakka;19012872]It's up to the man whether the woman should have an abortion or not.[/QUOTE]
i think it would be great if both parents had a choice. The problem is that it's part of the woman. Plus, the father is not always present
christians are all faggots and should die
[QUOTE=imnotBPX;19013117]christians are all faggots and should die[/QUOTE]
i agree wholeheartedly.
anti-abortionists should be called anti-freedomists
Group us all together, sounds more fag-ish to me than other things. Abortion is fine, do what you want with your own baby.
[QUOTE=ImBill;19013176]anti-abortionists should be called anti-freedomists[/QUOTE]
I agree, if the person want an abortion then they shall have it.
all babby should be killed
[QUOTE=Louis;19012097]Dont want a baby, dont have a baby[/QUOTE]
I don't know what you mean by this, but if you meant it as in against-abortion, you're an idiot. What about people who get raped?
you have sex and you don't want a baby but you get pregnant, what do you do? Abortion. Simple.
I don't like abortion, but if it's necessary like in the case of rape or something, then I don't really have a problem in that case.
But if one goes and has unprotected sex and then wants to get rid of the baby because they made a mistake, I don't think abortion is the right course of action. That's just being somewhat selfish and not taking responsibility for your actions. You had unprotected sex and that's the result.
And even if you DO have unprotected sex, there's still the morning after pill.
I dunno. Its never "okay" but I think in some cases, it can be justified. In agreement with the OP, I don't like the label "pro-life".
[QUOTE=sp00ks;19012235]
Imagine having something growing inside you, that you really hate and will never love. How is having a baby like that a good idea?[/QUOTE]
Also, since a lot of you are males up in this thread, there is a certain bond that forms between a mother and child, even before the child is born and/or able to think. Most women who get pregnant end up getting severely attached to that child despite not really wanting it. You can't say that a woman would "never love" the child and that abortion is best in that case. Mostly, it depends, but our instincts tell us to love that child no matter what.
Blood for the blood god, fetus for the fetus throne!
[QUOTE=ZaurZawrZore;19012032]Personally, I take a long term view: prevention is better than cure, so contraception is preferable to abortion. If contraception fails, however, and abortion is considered, the long-term problem becomes one of bringing a child in to the world who is [b]unwanted, and who may only suffer a life of hardship.[/b][/QUOTE]
Not necessarily. Sure, in that particular time and place, given a number of social and economic circumstances, the child may not be "wanted" at that present time but that doesn't mean you need to abort it because you would be doing it a "favor" (preventing a life of hardship in your case).
It's not a do or die situation. You can have the baby and put it up for adoption, how difficult is that?
I do agree however that contraception and education on contraceptives would be the most preferable option to abortion.
[quote]This may sound harsh, but this world does not need more people: it needs fewer and better people, people who have been loved, cared for, supported, and allowed to develop to their full potential. That has to start with being healthy and wanted, being a boon to their parents, and not a burden from before birth. As a civilization, we are past the stage where breeding is an imperative, a duty to perform; now, since we don't have to do it, we may as well try to do it as well as we can, with an eye on the whole process, from conception to adulthood. We don’t have to emulate Nature in all respects, if we can avoid the consequences of overbreeding.[/quote]
"Fewer and better people" is a matter of opinion. What is considered "better" and compared to what? Does that mean that a child born with a disability does not have the same right as a child born "normal"?
[i]Everyone has the right to live[/i] but I wish it was as simple as that because there's still exceptions. A woman raped, for example, should have the right to choose to abort her child or not. Regulation and bible-thumping, "pro-lifers" shouldn't hamper her decision because it is a child conceived by unnatural means. Of course, she can very well choose not to abort and at least put the kid up for adoption and that kid has no need to know that he was the product of rape.
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