• What's your opinion on Abortion?‎
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[QUOTE=Magistrate;19014056]excuse me plz dont decide 4 me thx u very much[/QUOTE] :frog:
[QUOTE=Deathbyfire;19014014]Yeah, so it knows its parents didn't love it, and it feels inadequate. Good times.[/QUOTE] There are more than enough cases where a child that was put up for adoption finally got to meet their real parents and they don't feel angry or hate. Why? Because they had a chance to live. They are grateful to be alive and you'd have to be crazy not to appreciate the chance to live your life.
[QUOTE=Magistrate;19014056]excuse me plz dont decide 4 me thx u very much[/QUOTE] ok, my bad. sorry :saddowns:
Abortion - I think it's needed in society. Without it, we'll have women who seek other measures to abort the foetus which are much more dangerous. I think to force a woman to keep a foetus against her will is degrading and dehumanising because you're basically stripping her of all rights to her own body and telling her that the foetus is more important than her. It could very well ruin the lives of many women. Adoption is hardly an easy way out. Sure, there are pleanty of people waiting for the perfect white newborn child...What if the baby isn't "perfect"? Also if all the babies in the world were never aborted then would they outnumber the number of willing adoptive parents? It'd be a huge strain on the economy with the already high population in the world. Many women find the process of adoption even more painful than abortion. I think people should do their best to avoid unwanted pregnancies by using protection properly, however there's still contraceptive failure and rape to cause them. If someone wants an abortion, they should try and get it done within the first trimester where it is barely developed. Late term abortion is a different matter as the foetus could perhaps survive outside the womb by that stage, in which case I think abortion is only acceptable if there is a health issue with the mother or the baby which would make continuing the pregnancy dangerous or the baby would suffer and die not long after birth. I really don't give a damn about the white population of the UK being outnumbered by immigrant children.
[QUOTE=Deathbyfire;19014180]ok, my bad. sorry :saddowns:[/QUOTE] its k
Heres a crazy thought, what if the kid DIDN'T want to be born, and then the parents went ahead and had it anyway? What would happen then?
[QUOTE=Deathbyfire;19014240]Heres a crazy thought, what if the kid DIDN'T want to be born, and then the parents went ahead and had it anyway? What would happen then?[/QUOTE] Tell me when in the pregnancy cycle a fetus is even remotely capable of thinking like that.
A thought: When a pregnant woman is murdered, the killer is charged with a double murder. But aborting a baby is legal. Why do you think that is?
[QUOTE=Jim_Riley;19014294]Tell me when in the pregnancy cycle a child is even remotely capable of thinking like that.[/QUOTE] It seems just as reasonable as the anti-choice morons wanting to grant a two week old fetus the same rights as a regular person.
I'm all for keeping abortion legalized. But we really need to educate more on contraceptives.
I think as long as they do it in the first two months, it's fine.
[QUOTE=Warren Holzem;19014415]It seems just as reasonable as the anti-choice morons wanting to grant a two week old fetus the same rights as a regular person.[/QUOTE] [i]human[/i] rights anyone? Is a fetus not human? What does it mean to be a 'regular person'?
In my opinion, abortion is all about circumstance. If, for example, the situation is that the child will be brought up in a crap world with a shitty life, then abortion is fine.
I don't really get what these anti-abortionists are thinking. If you are raped and then get pregnant when you are 12, would you want the baby? No, I don't think so.
[QUOTE=Habakkuk;19014406]A thought: When a pregnant woman is murdered, the killer is charged with a double murder. But aborting a baby is legal. Why do you think that is?[/QUOTE] Abortion is a choice. Getting murdered isn't really a choice. [editline]08:09PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Jim_Riley;19014480][i]human[/i] rights anyone? Is a fetus not human? What does it mean to be a 'regular person'?[/QUOTE] It's as human as the sperm you ejaculate all over every time you masturbate.
[QUOTE=KaIibos;19013863]How amusingly short-sighted of you. Think about the kid. If a woman who is considering abortion has their child, chances are extremely high that the kid will be born into unfortunate circumstances and have a shitty life. A friend I work with got knocked up when she was 19 but decided to have it - now because they're poor and his parents hate each other etc. etc. he's probably going to have a few psychological problems when he's older.[/QUOTE] Personally I am pro choice. That's a very good point, and I'm partly playing devils advocate if I'm honest. However while the descision should ultimately be left to the parents, I do feel abortion should not be taken lightly, and not treated as just another method of contraception.
I generally believe that people who want to wholly ban abortion are just as ignorant as they are stupid. There are a few reasons for this. One, if we wholly banned abortion, where do you think ladies would turn? They would go to the back alleys and get infections from people with clothes hangers. Two, let's say you were raped. Would you want a child from that? Of course not. Three, it is just as humane as everything else people say is a crime. Seriously, hanging a guy is still perfectly good, yet chopping a baby WHO ISN'T EVEN TECHNICALLY ALIVE is horrifying? That doesn't make sense. Also, God isn't real, so don't say it goes against Christ or God or some bullshit.
[QUOTE=Septok;19014501]It's as human as the sperm you ejaculate all over every time you masturbate.[/QUOTE] True. You can really see the complexity of the argument at hand. :raise:
Who cares? A fetus isn't going to feel anything and it's not like they have a soul that goes to heaven or anything and it's not like you're going to hell. (Because none of that exist) To me it's alright until it reaches the certain point where it can have thought. At that point it's your own damn problem.
I think that you only should abort when it's really needed, if you act like a whore and fuck everyone you see on parties and get pregnant like 8 times a year, then you should just die. If you have a boyfriend and well you happen to get pregnant and both of you are too young or not ready to have one, then it's acceptable. If you get raped, you SHOULD get an abortion, etc, etc.
[QUOTE=tommo400;19012182]Personally I feel if you have good reason (such as the pregnancy was a result of rape, or the child will be born severely disabled) then abortion is acceptable. But if it's just some stupid bitch who didn't use protection, she should have to deal with the consequences. Abortion should not be looked at as just an easy way out of a pregnancy. That's just my opinion, anyways.[/QUOTE] Having a child shouldn't be used as punishment for being sleazy either. My cousin is a whore. She has two different kids with two different guys, and one of them is retarded. She didn't have an abortion obviously, but she didn't suddenly become responsible and stop sleeping around either. She leaves her kids, one is two years old and the other is 7 months, at random friends houses while she goes out and does whatever. The 7 month old child is already starting to develop problems due to the lack of proper care. You want to give a child a fucked up life just because it'll (not) teach some slut a lesson?
[QUOTE=altofproudfoot;19012241]I don't really know how to respond to this. [editline]06:15PM[/editline] Ever hear of adoption?[/QUOTE] Ever hear that there are thousands of overcrowded orphanages? [editline]03:33PM[/editline] [QUOTE=SenorJose;19012411]It's wrong anyway, but it's not murder because no intercourse has happened. It's difficult to explain.[/QUOTE] Thats because it doesn't make sense [editline]03:35PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Jim_Riley;19014480][i]human[/i] rights anyone? Is a fetus not human? What does it mean to be a 'regular person'?[/QUOTE] To be 'alive' They can't think, should we give insects rights? they can think!
[QUOTE=Jim_Riley;19014480][i]human[/i] rights anyone? Is a fetus not human?[/QUOTE] No. It does not meet the basic definitions of being human.
Abortions are a load of shit. First, let's look at the most widly used justification for abortion: rape. [quote]* In 2000, 1.31 million abortions took place, down from an estimated 1.36 million in 1996. From 1973 through 2000, more than 39 million legal abortions occurred. * About 13,000 women have abortions each year following rape or incest. [/quote] 13,000 out of 1,310,000 abortions performed each year are the result of rape or incest. That's just barely 1%. Hmm... ([url=http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0904509.html]Source[/url]) Now for the second key in understanding abortion: The average age of a woman who has an abortion. [img]http://filesmelt.com/downloader/s713a1t1a.gif[/img] [img]http://filesmelt.com/downloader/s713a1f2.gif[/img] ([url=http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5713a1.htm?s_cid=ss5713a1_e]Source: CDC[/url]) I do not believe in abortion because it is misused and abused, allows teenagers who do stupid shit to not have to worry about the consequences ("Oh, don't worry if the condom breaks! I can just have an abortion!"), and the forcible termination of a live fetus inside a woman's body causes substantial health issues. I would, however, be fine with the government legalizing abortion for only those who have been the victim of rape or sexual abuse. Then again, the number of legal abortions performed would drop dramatically if that were true.
If your a whore: buy condoms or any other method. If it was an accident: do it. If your nuts: be (extreme) against it.
[quote=I like chocolate milk :buddy:][b]What's your opinion on Abortion?[/b][/quote] My opinion? ... Fuck it all, just have an abortion. Save's you too much media attention, unwanted attention, bad shit, comments, etc and you don't have to live with the pain (this is if you are underage, of course, but if you're legal-aged, then...well yeah, same thing, without all that media shit if you didn't have the abortion because...well, I dunno).
[QUOTE=Nautsabes;19015028]Having a child shouldn't be used as punishment for being sleazy either. My cousin is a whore. She has two different kids with two different guys, and one of them is retarded. She didn't have an abortion obviously, but she didn't suddenly become responsible and stop sleeping around either. She leaves her kids, one is two years old and the other is 7 months, at random friends houses while she goes out and does whatever. The 7 month old child is already starting to develop problems due to the lack of proper care. You want to give a child a fucked up life just because it'll (not) teach some slut a lesson?[/QUOTE] No, I personally do not, as I said above. You may feel I'm just trying to back-track on my comments, but as you have all so deftly ripped my point to shreds I see no point trying to defend it. :smile:
[QUOTE=Jim_Riley;19014480][i]human[/i] rights anyone? Is a fetus not human? What does it mean to be a 'regular person'?[/QUOTE] This is why we should not make laws based on arbitrary definitions of what is a human, but on whether or not it is capable of suffering, and if it is sentient. [editline]10:40PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Jim_Riley;19014294]Tell me when in the pregnancy cycle a fetus is even remotely capable of thinking like that.[/QUOTE] When is a fetus capable of wanting to live? [editline]10:42PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Doug52392;19015343] I do not believe in abortion because it is misused and abused, allows teenagers who do stupid shit to not have to worry about the consequences ("Oh, don't worry if the condom breaks! I can just have an abortion!"), and the forcible termination of a live fetus inside a woman's body causes substantial health issues. I would, however, be fine with the government legalizing abortion for only those who have been the victim of rape or sexual abuse. Then again, the number of legal abortions performed would drop dramatically if that were true.[/QUOTE] Why does it matter if people use a condom or if they get an abortion?
[QUOTE=Pascall;19013495] Also, since a lot of you are males up in this thread, there is a certain bond that forms between a mother and child, even before the child is born and/or able to think. Most women who get pregnant end up getting severely attached to that child despite not really wanting it. You can't say that a woman would "never love" the child and that abortion is best in that case. Mostly, it depends, but our instincts tell us to love that child no matter what.[/QUOTE] This does not happen with every woman, I actually have reoccuring nightmares about pregnancy...I'm terrified of it. I think that pregnancy that I was forced to continue would be nothing but traumatic for me. It really depends on the woman but not all of us get that bond. Some women who planned their babies still don't feel that bond till after the baby is born even. It's quite strange how it works.
[QUOTE=altofproudfoot;19012482]I love how you act religion effects someones opinion, I suspect you are atheist.[/QUOTE] Of course your religion will effect your opinions. Were you born yesterday? [QUOTE=Doug52392;19015343] I do not believe in abortion because it is misused and abused, allows teenagers who do stupid shit to not have to worry about the consequences ("Oh, don't worry if the condom breaks! I can just have an abortion!"), and the forcible termination of a live fetus inside a woman's body causes substantial health issues. I would, however, be fine with the government legalizing abortion for only those who have been the victim of rape or sexual abuse. Then again, the number of legal abortions performed would drop dramatically if that were true.[/QUOTE] If you haven't noticed, teens have been having sex since the beginning of mankind. The only difference now is that your life isn't ruined because you got drunk at some party.
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