Dr. Alex Jones; Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love FEMA - A look at the NWO Theory
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while the whole NWO theory is pretty herp derp, the US as a country is inching twords fascism under the guise of security and such.
wasn't there a group trying to pass a law limiting free speech by claiming that it was part of free speech to be able to limit speech, or something to that effect.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;30299979]while the whole NWO theory is pretty herp derp, the US as a country is inching twords fascism under the guise of security and such.[/QUOTE]
Not really
[QUOTE=Jenkem;30296236]Barium salts, aluminum, and mercury, all of which are toxic with the type of exposure you'd get from a plant grown in that soil (eating it), were present in ungodly quantities in the soil. I can't explain why they're there - [I]can you[/I]?[/QUOTE]
im just popping into this coversation so forgive me if im missing something... but my understanding based on conversations with several Dr.'s is that its pollution from improper waste disposal in our oceans and rivers and such entering the water table (and im assuming rain too).
[QUOTE=Mattk50;30299979]while the whole NWO theory is pretty herp derp, the US as a country is inching twords fascism under the guise of security and such.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much this. No amount of terrorism is any justification for groping me at the airport or the mall (just wait for there to be another massive incident, then they won't let you shop anywhere without a pat down).
[QUOTE=TH89;30300006]Not really[/QUOTE]
bills trying to lock down the internet, those laws that allow the gov't to ignore due process of law and arrest/imprison anyone legally, TSA all up in your nutsacks, clearly this violation of ballspace is only something that a [I]nazi[/I] would do!
[QUOTE=Mattk50;30300039]bills trying to lock down the internet, those laws that allow the gov't to ignore due process of law and arrest/imprison anyone legally, TSA all up in your nutsacks, clearly this violation of ballspace is only something that a [I]nazi[/I] would do![/QUOTE]
Go back 60 years. J. Edgar Hoover, McCarthy, etc. CIA murdering people and running proxy wars all over the world. You really think it's worse now?
i just think people get too caught up in the dichotomy in it all. it feels like your either a NWO hypothesizer or an "everythings fine, carry on" type of guy. there is a middle ground which i tend to gravitate to, which is basically that there is no NWO but the systems we are working in need to be reworked. they are archaic at this point and its time for a change.
oh, and i usually find myself being assaulted by both sides of the spectrum for it :V
PS they weren't locking down the internet because there WAS NO INTERNET
[QUOTE=TH89;30300073]Go back 60 years. J. Edgar Hoover, McCarthy, etc. CIA murdering people and running proxy wars all over the world. You really think it's worse now?[/QUOTE]
only slightly. as i said, inching.
[editline]7th June 2011[/editline]
ninja chain?
[QUOTE=Mattk50;30300082]only slightly. as i said, inching.[/QUOTE]
Then you need to take some history classes because that's totally ridiculous
People were arrested and imprisoned for being communists, civil rights leaders were tracked (and possibly killed) by Federal agencies, entire classes of people were made to live in fear, with no representation in the government and no hope of a fair trial, the list of abuses goes on and on. If you really think that's even comparable to today, let alone [i]not as bad[/i], you have a really poor grasp of the state of government today.
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Well, once you get around the fact there's mercury (as well as at least one untested substance, can't remember the name) in a lot of vaccines, then we'll discuss the health benefits. I'm not questioning that they work, by the way.[/QUOTE]
Nope.avi
Too much generalizing in this thread. It's unreasonable, in my view, to lump in anybody who questions governmental/corporate entities with the worst possible examples of "conspiracy theorists."
also, surprised this hasn't been posted yet
[img]http://i.cubeupload.com/xiXAxH.gif[/img]
My father believes all of this...
[QUOTE=Mattk50;30300082]only slightly. as i said, inching.
[editline]7th June 2011[/editline]
ninja chain?[/QUOTE]
As TH89 has said, not really.
[QUOTE=Jenkem;30294157]This guy knows his stuff, did research, and wrote a [I]book[/I][/QUOTE]
The entire premise of his book is the mercury equivalent of "teach the controversy." His "research" was finding some good sob stories and then coming up with a few negative proof arguments.
[QUOTE=Jenkem;30294711]The fact remains people die from vaccines every year (this isn't a conspiracy either - it's a known phenomenon), including infants who have died very quickly after, and I want to stay the hell away from whatever is in there if it can do that.[/QUOTE]
People die from water overdoses yearly too, you better stay away from that shit lest it shuffle your shit off this mortal coil.
[QUOTE=Jenkem;30296236]Barium salts, aluminum, and mercury, all of which are toxic with the type of exposure you'd get from a plant grown in that soil (eating it), were present in ungodly quantities in the soil. I can't explain why they're there - [I]can you[/I]?[/QUOTE]
Barium, mercury, and aluminum all have extremely low soil mobility, meaning if you bought the land from someone else and they used some of the old school pesticides that contained them, you're going to have them around for a loooong while. I doubt you have a detailed account of every asshole who owned the land before you to know what they did or didn't put into the ground before you got there.
[QUOTE=TH89;30272301]I want more posts of amute owning crazys please[/QUOTE]
Coming right up!
Jesus guys, leave some for me.
Here's what I find funny, Jenkem, you think I'm some sort of grand troll (Mind you, there is zero justification for calling me that), yet, here you are, talking about chem-trails and lizard illuminati.
Okay Doctor Batshit, lets see what you have to offer.
[QUOTE=Jenkem;30294157]It's more plausible than lizard illuminati.[/QUOTE]
No, it isn't. It's pretty much on the same level. If you honestly think the government is using planes to spread chemicals over YOUR house specifically is somehow LESS crazy than Lizards being a part of a secret group hell-bent on world domination, then YOU have to stop making judgements.
[quote]Someone has to explain why there's high levels of mercury in a soil sample taken from my front yard, though, along with high levels of barium salts, aluminium, and others.[/quote]First off, soil has those elements, especially in northern America, this is due to natural elements which are already IN your soil. I'm sure in some random town in Sweden, you'll find elements of aluminium and mercury.
Second, the heightened level of Barium salts and Mercury is attributed to pollution in the air, among OTHER theories. This has been a major issue for many years. If you look at the many scientific experiments, including this simple one: [URL]http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0048969702005697[/URL]
You'll find that mercury comes into the ground through air mercury.
Even the EPA released one of many reports on mercury in the air and soil
[URL="http://www.epa.gov/tio/download/remed/542r07003.pdf"]www.epa.gov/tio/download/remed/542r07003.pdf[/URL]
Amongst other chemicals.
Now that's a fact right there, air pollution contaminates soil - Now, lets see the connection with mercury.
Fossil Fuels, industrial waste water, factory by-products, smoke-stack waste, insect repellent, etc etc all have high levels of mercury and attribute to the high levels in the air which then go into the soil - So THERE is your explanation.
There's a god damn wikipedia article on it:
[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soil_contamination[/URL]
And oh, what's that, wikipedia? Higher hydrocarbon and mercury levels are attributed to pollution? Well shucks, I thought it was the gubment using chem trails.
Third, Besides the two facts I just posted, here's a list of other explanations as to why those materials are in your soil:
- Mercury enters the environment as a result of normal breakdown of minerals in rocks and soil through exposure to wind and water.
- Mercury from agricultural fertilizers and industrial wastewater disposal find its way into the soil.
- All mercury that is released in the environment will eventually end up in soils or surface waters.
- Barium salt is used in steel and in fireworks, so for all we know, you could have been setting off fireworks over your lawn. Now, of course, this may not be the case, but still, it's a common material.
- Aluminium has always been in ground. It makes up exactly 7% of the entire earths crust. That is the most a metal is in the ground. So yeah, there's going to be some fucking aluminium in the ground.
But, I tell you what Nostradamus, you take your tin-foil hat wearing father and go test out the soil of your neighbours. If it comes up negative, then there's your answer, your soil sucks. If it comes up positive, then your neighbourhoods soil sucks.
[quote]Well, once you get around the fact there's mercury (as well as at least one untested substance, can't remember the name) in a lot of vaccines then we'll discuss the health benefits.[/quote]Lets look at the origins of this theory - The conspiracy that mercury is in your vaccines was popularised by Susan Summers and Jenny McCarthy, who are these alternative health nuts. Mind you, these people are not doctors, they're actors who occasionally appear in some terrible films, such as Santa Baby and The Stupids.
Of course, the tin foil hat crowd has always asserted this is the case, most notably back in 1998 by Andrew Wakefield, who has been discredited and debunked by nearly every scientific journal and institution that decided to touch him. Most recently, by the British Medical Journal. They concluded, that Wakefield misrepresented and altered the medical histories of all 12 of the patients whose cases which were used as the base argument in his study. The BMJ describes it as an elaborate fraud. Fiona Godlee, BMJ's editor-in-chief in an interview with CNN said "It's one thing to have a bad study, a study full of error, and for the authors then to admit that they made errors, but in this case, we have a very different picture of what seems to be a deliberate attempt to create an impression that there was a link by falsifying the data." Now, before you go off and say "WELL, this guy is one of the minorities and no one listens to him.", this guy is being used by the spear-runners of the mercury movement as a source more than anyone else. This guy was fucking disbarred for 'bad science' by the British government.
Now, you can argue Wakefield, according to him, was being targeted in a vicious smear campaign. But in the few years he's had to produce a study that links autism and mercury, he has not done so. If he did, and it checks out, he would have been reinstated and his report published by the government. But he has not done so.
The main argument is that mercury in vaccines causes autism and other syndromes. Yet despite numerous studies, a definitive correlation between vaccination and autism has never been proven.
Now, this is all actually kinda useless since there IS no mercury in Vaccines anymore. The meat of the argument is that the chemical that has high level of mercury was removed... 15 years ago. Thimerosal. This is sad, Jenkem, I know more about your conspiracy theory than YOU do. Thimerosal is cited in books by Jerry Kartzinel, David Kirby, Jenny McCarthy, Jock Doubleday, Andrew Wakefield, J. B. Handley and the other pack of idiots who think this exists, all source Thimerosal. Thimerosal has been defunct for more than a decade, 8 years before the birth of McCarthy's child. There IS no mercury in Vaccines.
But instead of looking at the actual causes, why not look at the reaction. Autism may not even be as high as it's made out to be. In the last 20 years, there has been a 400% rise in psycho conditions in young people. Unless our kids have gone insane, people are over diagnosing. This is the funny part, they may not have gotten autism by vaccines, or polluted water, or alien signals or even naturally, fuck no, they may not even HAVE real fucking Autism.
Now, there is also ANOTHER main idea used by Generation Rescue, Jenny McCarthy, J. B Handley, and Jerry Kartzinel's organisation, are using was refuted by the university of Pittsburgh. The University of Pittsburgh study on the "Influence of paediatric vaccines on amygdala growth and opioid ligand binding in rhesus macaque infants" that Generation Rescue is currently touting does indeed find differences in brain development between unvaccinated monkeys and those given vaccines containing the contentious preservative at the heart of the autism debate, Thimerosal. But while the monkeys were given equivalent recommended doses of vaccinations for children born between 1994 and 1999, the study notes "Thimerosal was removed from most paediatric vaccines in the United States in 2001." Similarly, the Stony Brook study on "Hepatitis B series vaccine and development disability in children aged 1 – 9 years" looks at data accrued from 1999 – 2000. And another study that Generation Rescue refers to as "new" data that "shows Hepatitis B vaccine creates 3x higher risk of autism" similarly relies on data culled from 1997 – 2002. So everything seems to just fall apart.
The people you're supporting say things like this: "I do believe sadly it's going to take some diseases coming back to realize that we need to change and develop vaccines that are safe"
They are fucking morons. And you may not even agree 100% with them, but you're lending respectability. The same reason why a Strip-club has food.
And even then, the successes of Vaccines save more lives than what they supposedly destroy, ten fold.
[quote]I'm not questioning that they work, by the way.[/quote]Yes, yes you are.
[URL]http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228[/URL]
Here, read some more.
[quote]And before anyone goes "hurp durp, pr00f":[/quote]Now, I know in between attempting to argue on facepunch, you go onto 4chan to search the latest and greatest wacky meme to use against those who are inferior to you ie the entire human race, but let me just say, your constant use of memes and the whole HURP DURP thing is both A: Obnoxious and B: Childish. Oh, and it makes you look like even more of an idiot than you actually are, which is, in itself, a rather well known fact. You have been humiliated more times on these forums, I'm surprised you haven't changed your name to Mel Gibson. You are a joke, if I opened up a dictionary, and looked up the word joke, Dane Cook would be there, than it would tell me to look up the definition of irony, than above that would be the word Idiot, and there you would be, Facepunch user Jenkem.
Yeah, I know, long and elaborate insult - bite me.
[quote][URL]http://www.amazon.com/Evidence-Harm-Vaccines-Epidemic-Controversy/dp/0312326440[/URL][/quote]Right, lets discuss this really quick - Okay, first things first, you're implying that since I didn't write a book, my article is somehow useless and wrong. Now, that's not only the stupidest justification for not liking an article I have EVER seen, it's also the most childish. How in the fuck does writing a book mean I'm now right. I researched claims the same way you claimed this guy did. So what the fuck?
I tell you what, I'll buy the book next time I stumble across a penny on the street. I like how that's the lowest they'll give it to you.
[quote]This guy knows his stuff, did research, and wrote a book, unlike the pale, senile basement-dwellers in this thread (read: Amute) who are telling me there's nothing wrong when they haven't even stepped outside and seen a real (read: not hentai) girl since they hit puberty, and whose only accomplishments amount to a college thesis on the sex habits of a fruit fly.[/quote]First of all, that was a long and elaborate failure of an "Insult".
Second of all, I never once pulled a personal life card, but since you decided to do it, I have no choice but to play ball.
You're about 14/15 years old, most of your posts consist of gmod, whining for 15 straight threads about a girl who keeps ignoring you and who you keep stalking, and uber-right wing ignorant piles of shit posts that can be so easily refuted, and are, that you usually NEVER post in that thread again. I can tell right now after the glorious spanking you are already receiving from the OTHER people that you will not come back, especially after I post this.
What have you done Jenkem? Seriously, tell me. I'm 19 years old, a journalist, have travelled abroad to many countries, spoken to cultured and interesting people, expanded my knowledge of the general world around me, experiences much hardship and many wonders. I grew up in Ireland as a social butterfly and an angsty teenager likened to that of Holden Caulfield - mind you, I've had many bad things happen, much my fault, these things did give me experience in how the world works and how to survive on my own. I fucked up my teenage years, but I've mellowed out, and I learned a lot.
You on the other hand, have probably never travelled outside your white suburban neighbourhood. Spending your time playing TF2 and stalking woman.
And in case you didn't know, I enjoy something called a phallus, it kinda waters down your whole weight of the childish 'LOL NEVER TOUCHED A WHOMAN BEFORE HAW" insult. Mind you, I'm not saying it disbars your comment, just that it's not very offensive to me. Nor is it true. Of course, it would be seen as either a lie or arrogant of me to go into further detail.
Now, this is an ironic post. As I used to share conversations with my close friend, I would send him your conversations between us. I still have his chat history, and all the ones I gave him. You said some pretty zany things. Ranging from misogyny, racism, homophobia and whining about why no women touch you.
TK-421: Stop making fun of me. It's not cool or funny.
Apparently, it's okay for you to make elaborate insults, but when I do it, you cry nay.
And of course, more hilarity from Jenkem regarding the female
TK-421: Nobody with a girlfriend is fat
TK-421: 'cept my friend's friend.
TK-421: He's pretty big, and he's had several.
TK-421: Dunno how he does it.
His views on homosexuality
TK-421: What type of man do I like? One that keeps his distance and dispenses with the notion I'm gay...?
Communist Insurgency: Oh you like to roleplay?
Communist Insurgency: kinky
Now, back on topic - This guy isn't a scientist, he doesn't "Know his stuff". He's not a doctor, a medical professional, or ANYTHING he's a fucking pretend journalist.
The book, Evidence of harm, focuses around the effect of thimerosal, which was disbarred 6 years before he wrote his book. He doesn't even fully research it. David Kirby, the guy you say knows SO much more than I, said this: "Ultimately, [I found] the evidence levelled against thimerosal inconclusive but suggestive, and call[s] urgently for further research."
The British Medical Journal, the same one who refuted Wakefield, had this to say about David Kirby's book:
"In his determination to provide an account that is sympathetic to the parents, Kirby enters into the grip of the same delusion and ends up in the same angry and paranoid universe into which campaigners have descended, alleging phone taps and other forms of surveillance as they struggle against sinister conspiracies between health authorities and drug companies."
The guy is bias and is a joke. There's an entire refutation posted on their website of this book
[URL]http://www.bmj.com/content/330/7500/1154.full[/URL]
[quote]Like what? I haven't cited any theories and propagated them yet...?[/quote]Chemtrails and Vaccines, that's two.
Right - new topic:
[QUOTE=Jenkem;30294711]Yes, of course, because citing the stupidest people who believe in something is absolutely an end-all answer.[/QUOTE]
The theory that HAARP is somehow a weather changing station is pretty god damn popular. This lady is just extra special. A pretty accurate allegory if I do say so myself.
[quote]Why do you trust the government so readily[/quote]No one in this thread has even implied they do that. I certainly don't.
But the issue is the reliance of certain anti-government people. With the amount of issues that are going on in the world, they primarily worry about shit that doesn't even exist. Like the HAARP conspiracy or NWO.
[quote]when powers that be have frequently and consistently abused their powers throughout history?[/quote]They do, but that doesn't mean they aren't exempt from being innocent. Even liars tell the truth.
[quote]Do you think a gigantic structure like the US government, with all it's compartmentalization, is immune to corruption?[/quote]Nope.
[quote]Uranium-poisoned Texans calling a rainbow in their sprinkler a sign of HAARP is like saying Westboro represents Christianity, and is pretty much irrelevant when you get down to facts.[/quote]Or a religious extremist represents Islam... Oh wait, you already said that.
[quote]Let me guess. You think there isn't uranium in the water in Texas, and that's a conspiracy too?
[URL]http://www.khou.com/news/health/I-Team-preview-Is-your-drinking-water-safe-106791538.html[/URL]
[URL]http://www.khou.com/home/State-lowballs-radiation-scores-in-Texas-drinking-water-107125648.html[/URL][/quote]The government didn't put uranium in the water, uranium put uranium in the water. It isn't even the radiation aspect of uranium that is dangerous, it's the heavy metal toxicity. There are metals in your water, this is known. There is also high levels of Radon in those contaminated sources of water. Radon is normal, it's a gas, and most water has it, some more than others. You may not know this, but water is heavily treated. There's a shit tonne of stuff in water that is filtered. Some gets through.
Texas may have low-balled it, but Tennessee didn't, New Jersey didn't.
The New Jersey State department released this:
[URL="http://www.state.nj.us/dep/rpp/rms/agreedown/urwater.pdf"]www.state.nj.us/dep/rpp/rms/agreedown/urwater.pdf[/URL]
And the Connecticut government released this:
[URL="http://www.ct.gov/dph/LIB/dph/environmental_health/.../uranium3.pdf"]www.ct.gov/dph/LIB/dph/environmental_health/.../uranium3.pdf[/URL]
And Tennessee media outlets released this:
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz86W7qNFBk[/URL]
This is public health warnings. Why would they warn people about shit they did?
It's like me planting a bomb, than leaving all the tools, information and contact information required to disarm it in plain sight - doesn't make a lick a sense, now does it?
[quote]Derp. Let's hear it, then: why is the government worthy of my trust?[/quote]They're not, but you also can't always treat them as trying to kill you.
[quote]I can't even name on both hands how many shady, evil, or downright unforgivable things they've done, and in recent years no less.[/quote]Welcome to the United States of America. This is nothing new. But they're not spiking your water, showering you with chem trails or spiking your vaccines.
[quote]The price of a book is not relevant.[/quote]That depends, the quality of the book is sometimes so bad it's low. Kinda like Cooper Lawrence's books.
[quote]Neither is sarcastic choice of words, or poking fun at a troll who has made easily nastier comments and follows me all over this forum.[/quote]Forums have something called threads. When you post frequently in the ones another person also frequently posts in, you tend to get a lot of the whole 'crossing path's thing. So no, it's not "Following" if it's fucking everywhere. Plus, you and used to talk over xfire and you'd spill your whole life story to me, baring the fact you were fucking oblivious to the fact I would just make fun of you and didn't really give a fuck about your silly pre-teen stories.
[quote]Sorry, I was just laying it out there how it is...someone that dedicated to trying to make me miserable probably hasn't left his basement in years.[/quote]I don't have a basement. Jokes on you, jackass.
[quote]Give me one good reason why they wouldn't.[/quote]Because there's no good reason to do it?
[quote]The fact remains people die from vaccines every year (this isn't a conspiracy either - it's a known phenomenon), including infants who have died very quickly after, and I want to stay the hell away from whatever is in there if it can do that.[/quote]Before mercury was removed, the most deaths seen per year was in 1998, with a grand total of 88 infant deaths within a week period of vaccination. This number has drastically collapsed since the ban of mercury. It doesn't reach anywhere past 10 deaths a year. 11,000 babies are born in the US PER DAY. So that's 10 deaths a year for 11,000 births a fucking DAY. So vaccines counts for 0.0001% of infant deaths a year.
On the other hand, polio alone still kills close to 3000 people a year. And would kill close to several million if the vaccine wasn't used.
So if 10 babies have to die to save, say, 5 million people, then yeah, I'll take that.
[quote]Again, why do you seem to think people in general are so benevolent? Mankind is generally evil if he isn't forcibly held to some kind of standard.[/quote]Because most humans are. Humans are not born evil, babies don't come out of the womb plotting to bomb some building.
[QUOTE=Jenkem;30294901]And backing up the guy who posted this, who blatantly trolled me and skewed my comments, is fine with you?
Don't throw stones.[/QUOTE]
I once threw a stone at a gate - the stone bounced off and projectile towards my head. In the moment where my head was a gaping hole of blood, I had more intelligent thoughts than you have ever had in your very short and sad existence.
[quote]The weaker and more susceptible people, however, are more likely to succumb when you repeatedly and frequently expose them to harmful things.[/quote]Fear is a powerful tool against your people. No government has ever used anything less or more than fear when they wanted to control people. Afraid people can still work and purchase goods. Afraid people are useful. Making your people weak and sick is stupid, no one would do that, even if they wanted to slowly drag down the species. Dead and weak people are useless. The government uses fear, not pain, to control.
[quote]In way, it'd be a more discreet method of eliminating undesirables[/quote]So, let me get this straight - you want to create undesirables and eliminate them - to eliminate undesirables you don't want. Wow, that's something special, jenkem.
[quote]without the stigma of violent and blatant killings.[/quote]Seems kinda elaborate for a government you claimed didn't care about subtly
[quote]Kill them softly and slowly, and nobody will brand you Hitler because they didn't notice what even happened.[/quote]All except you of course.
[quote]And that's just one possibility. You've gotta ask, though.[/quote]I have more important things to do with my life.
[QUOTE=Jenkem;30296236]You realize my dad works with an analytical laboratory[/QUOTE]
I realise your dad is a lunatic.
[quote]and has some connections?[/quote]He's gunna beat chu up.
[quote]We were curious with all the claims about chemtrailing, so we tested a sample of the soil in our backyard (where we have a garden).[/quote]Well there's your fucking problem, check the fertilizer.
[quote]Barium salts, aluminium, and mercury, all of which are toxic with the type of exposure you'd get from a plant grown in that soil (eating it), were present in ungodly quantities in the soil. I can't explain why they're there - can you?[/quote]Why yes, I can - Pollution. Mystery solved, lets go home.
Don't fucking tell me that the government takes small planes and shits out small amounts of chemicals to cover peoples flowers. You're still fine, and so is everyone in your neighbourhood, so there's no chem-trail shit, jenkem.
[QUOTE=Jenkem;30299737]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratospheric_sulfate_aerosols_(geoengineering)
No, a tanker clearly isn't large enough to deliver a climate affecting aerosol-
Oh, wait. And before you complain, read the article sources...[/QUOTE]
You seem to source the most simple claims, but not the actual base of your claims.
"WELL YOU SEE, Hitler isn't actually dead, he's Obama. Now you see, the evidence is, Barack Obama brushes his teeth and so did hitler, here's a source *wikipedia article on brushing teeth* CHECK AND MATE SHEEPLE"
Even an air-tanker couldn't do much damage. Sure, it releases a lot more over longer distances, but the fact of the matter is, how god damn unlikely and uneventful it is at the moment. I don't think you or people around you are effected by the supposed chem-trails.
[quote]As far as plainly visible goes - NASA, which I believe take their cues from the government as well as the Air Force, which is another arm of the US government, both have published information on the phenomenon.[/quote]Well no shit, NASA is a government agency.
[quote]People will tend to listen to authorities on a subject, even though it could very well be false.[/quote]They can also be true.
[quote]You know that saying about how if you repeat a lie enough, people will believe it? If people are told long enough that that thing in the sky is just condensation, despite lingering for hours and not actually disappearing (they seem to actually merge into thin cirrus cloud-like formations or contribute to atmospheric haze over a period of many hours), people will come to accept that it's probably just a byproduct of jet engines at 30,000 feet. Problem with that is, I've been seeing planes leaving "contrails" which were low enough to identify their exact shape (and, thus model) and color, something which should be impossible to identify with the naked eye from nearly six miles away with a plane of medium size.[/quote]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OSX79BG19c[/media]
You're just babbling.
[quote]We haven't even really used fertilizer in the back yard since we got the house, which has been nearly fifteen years.[/quote]Your metals in the soil could have been there long before that. Those metals don't move very much in soil, which begs the question, how do you know it's recent? It could be 20/30 years old.
[quote]Of course, the back yard was brown and dead as a result of neglect. Even recently I'm pretty sure we haven't been using much commercial fertilizer on the garden, mostly organic composting. We're also miles and miles from the nearest major factory, on the edge of town, in a relatively undeveloped area. And since when is mercury present in fertilizer? That was one of the most highly-concentrated elements in the soil.[/quote]So what's the alternative? The government is spraying your lawn just to fuck with you?
Mercury has always been present in fertilizer.
[quote]Government's a shady business, lad.[/quote]don't call him lad, he's older than you.
[quote]Even relatively low-level people were well aware of the uranium in the water in Texas but let it slide anyway. That doesn't instill much confidence in me, and it's a mystery why you would still think a government can be fully trusted.[/quote]They were also aware in Tennessee, New Jersey and Connecticut, but they did something about it. Maybe Texas is the leader of the New World Order!
[quote]I fail to see how it's trolling to defend a maligned group commonly associated with brain-dead rednecks and not the actual majority of people who agree. Even my doctor thinks there's something to it, and he's a respectable and cultured man.[/quote]Except Chem-trail people are normally associated with NWO theorists. Go and check Prisonplanet and Infowars, this shit is plastered all over it.
Your doctor isn't a botanist, aviation expert, or anything of the sort. And the fact you talk to your doctor about conspiracy theories worries me.
Go find a new doctor. Not this guy
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[QUOTE=amute;30303095]*words*[/QUOTE]Bear my children...
...OR MAYBE THAT'S WHAT [b]THEY[/b] WANT YOU TO THINK?!?!?!?!?
There is no way he can come back from that smackdown of a post. Shit even the most hardened of conspiracy theorists would falter against that.
amute, I love you.
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Zing.
One thing:
[quote=amute]In the last 20 years, there has been a 400% rise in psycho conditions in young people. Unless our kids have gone insane, people are over diagnosing.[/quote]
This doesn't cover the possibility that people were just under-diagnosing before, and given the western world's tumultuous relationship with mental disorders I don't think that's an unreasonable possibility.
There's kind of a whole camp of "ADD/autism/etc are fake diseases so big pharma can sell you mind control drugs!" people who don't really deserve much credibility either :v:
[QUOTE=Z3r0747;30300254]Too much generalizing in this thread. It's unreasonable, in my view, to lump in anybody who questions governmental/corporate entities with the worst possible examples of "conspiracy theorists."[/QUOTE]
Questioning the government and corporations is fine, but don't repeatedly insist they are doing X when there is no evidence.
[QUOTE=Jenkem;30299737]You know that saying about how if you repeat a lie enough, people will believe it? If people are told long enough that that thing in the sky is just condensation, despite lingering for hours and not actually disappearing (they seem to actually merge into thin cirrus cloud-like formations or contribute to atmospheric haze over a period of many hours), people will come to accept that it's probably just a byproduct of jet engines at 30,000 feet. Problem with that is, I've been seeing planes leaving "contrails" which were low enough to identify their exact shape (and, thus model) and color, something which should be impossible to identify with the naked eye from nearly six miles away with a plane of medium size.[/QUOTE]
First of all, your very first sentence is hilariously ironic.
Now, let my tell you something about clouds.
There are two ways clouds are created.
A: Cooling air, causing the molecules to slow down and collect on a colder entity to tranfer the lost kinetic energy (this is why water dews up on plants during the night) The cooled air will collect on condensation nuclei (such as particles of dust, ice, and salt drifting through the air) forming a cloud.
B: Oversaturating the air with water molecules (from converging wind, or moist air rising off water or moist ground) forcing the water to collect on the condensation nuclei.
Now the main byproducts of hydrocarbon fuel combustion (such as that within a jet engine) are carbon dioxide, and [U]water vapor[/U]. This increased saturation of water molecules, as well as the cold temperature of the air at high altitudes, allow for the very quick creation of clouds.
Seeing as these are nothing more than ordinary clouds, it is not surprising that they can in fact form into cirrus like patterns and form so low (for if the air is humid enough, it doesn't take much more water to oversaturate it)
Also, not to mention that dispersing chemicals like that is perhaps the most amazingly ineffective method way of doing it, considering how far the chemicals would be blown away, and how thinly spread the chemical would become. It would be doubtful that the chem would have any effect on people below.
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An hour ago.
Did he not see the thread?
[URL]http://www.facepunch.com/members/222092-Jenkem?vmid=58214#vmessage58214[/URL]
[QUOTE=TH89;30308806]
One thing:
This doesn't cover the possibility that people were just under-diagnosing before, and given the western world's tumultuous relationship with mental disorders I don't think that's an unreasonable possibility.
There's kind of a whole camp of "ADD/autism/etc are fake diseases so big pharma can sell you mind control drugs!" people who don't really deserve much credibility either :v:[/QUOTE]
That's a fair statement, but there is no doubt that ADD and autism is over diagnosed. To say they're fake diseases because of mind control drugs? That's crazy. But pharmaceutical companies are pretty corrupt. And they are drugging kids with things like adderall and ritalin. Over-diagnosing is something I've written an article before, there's a lot of corruption in the pharmaceutical lobby.
Here's a good video:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHXXTCc-IVg[/url]
Bill Maher is far from a conspiracy theorist.
He might be far from a conspiracy theorist but he's not someone I'd be taking medical advice from. :v:
Keep in mind I'm coming into this as a 22-year-old with (probably) undiagnosed A.D.D. whose parents dismissed the possibility and whose academic career has suffered a lot as a result. Also I tend to be skeptical of anti-pharma stuff because most of it involves junk stories about how there's a cure for cancer and they're hiding it etc etc
[QUOTE=TH89;30312207]He might be far from a conspiracy theorist but he's not someone I'd be taking medical advice from. :v:
Keep in mind I'm coming into this as a 22-year-old with (probably) undiagnosed A.D.D. whose parents dismissed the possibility and whose academic career has suffered a lot as a result. Also I tend to be skeptical of anti-pharma stuff because most of it involves junk stories about how there's a cure for cancer and they're hiding it etc etc[/QUOTE]
You're mixing up the conspiracy theorists with people like me or Maher, normally the left-wing arguing for healthcare reform. He wasn't saying the drugs aren't useful, it's that they're too over-prescribed. Pharmaceutical companies make money off drugging kids, they don't solve issues, they prescribe medicine. Mind you, it's not just an influx of medicine, it's diet. Maher's point is we're making ourselves sick. If you look at obesity rates, medicine distribution rates and the general culture per capita of other countries, they have a drastically smaller percentage of kids on drugs or diagnosis of these disorders. It has to do with the American sense that making money is more important than actually helping people. Pharmaceutical companies tie into the debate for healthcare. The biggest enemies to a single-payer healthcare plan are these companies. It's lobbyists. To me, after researching and seeing the result first hand numerous times, it's kinda silly to say there is nothing wrong with pharmaceutical company practices and the medicine distribution is perfectly fine.
But anyway, back on topic:
This is from the guy I refuted earlier in the thread.
[quote]In case you haven't noticed, there are many signs of free masonry in COD Black Opps.[/quote]First off, Treyarch does this shit on purpose. It's a joke, if you listen to the doctor in Nazi Zombies in the original games, he's this insane illumnati theorist. That's the joke. You people pick the fuck apart of media looking for ANY symbolism, but never actually see the big picture.
[quote]The emblems for example. The Anchor[/quote]Oh wow, an anchor, that's totally not a common object.
[quote]Fez[/quote]A common Arabic and Indian hat?
[quote]Skulls (especially pirate one)[/quote]You must be a blast while watching Muppet pirate island.
[quote]Pillar[/quote]You'd fucking shoot yourself if you walked into Washington DC
[quote]star with hole in it[/quote]Like a cookie cutter?
[quote]the eye of ra.[/quote]A famous and cliché Egyptian symbol?
[quote]But most importantly, if you have ever watched the tv screen flashing images in the basement of the zombie map Five, it flashes an image of the pyramid and the all seeing eye on it. (not precisely like the one on the dollar bill) It also appears on the mystery box screen on Ascension. It appears about every five minutes.[/quote]I decided to go play this, sat there looking at it for a good 10 minutes, let a zombie crawler roll around while I wasted my time. Didn't see a thing.
[editline]7th June 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=markg06;30294071]amute you should tackle the "vaccines are going to kill us all blahblahblah" theory that people like to spout and totally ignore the benefits of vaccines[/QUOTE]
also, obliged.
[editline]7th June 2011[/editline]
and rated everyone hearts :D
[editline]7th June 2011[/editline]
Except Jenkem, no one rates jenkem a heart. Jenkem has a wicked soul.
[QUOTE=TH89;30312207]He might be far from a conspiracy theorist but he's not someone I'd be taking medical advice from. :v:
Keep in mind I'm coming into this as a 22-year-old with (probably) undiagnosed A.D.D. whose parents dismissed the possibility and whose academic career has suffered a lot as a result. Also I tend to be skeptical of anti-pharma stuff because most of it involves junk stories about how there's a cure for cancer and they're hiding it etc etc[/QUOTE]
DURRRRP. Google "Marijuana cures cancer". Now that's a conspiracy. Did you know that deforestation wouldn't exist if weed was legal to grow?
Watch this video [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xt-IlJLlD8"][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xt-IlJLlD8[/URL][/media]
This is why I don't trust the Government.
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