Dr. Alex Jones; Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love FEMA - A look at the NWO Theory
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Anyone notice no one I've refuted has showed up again?
Well that's no fun. Someone send me more theorists. Where's ShukiadoX? Someone bring him in here.
[QUOTE=Polykatana;30490846]I've only read a couple pages in this thread. I promise I'll read all these other posts when I have the time. But, I just thought I'd say thank you for posting this. Conspiracy theories are all too common these days. And, I have personal problems with it. The love of my life... well, her dad believes all of this stuff. I've met his friends, as well, and they are all just like him. I can't go into much detail, but I can verify that there is no happy medium.
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That was a brilliant post.
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I have half the mind to add that to Quote that in my OP.
You know what, I may just do that.
s0beit, it's funny you should say that. These people I know who believe that stuff seem to have some serious control issues. I'm talking about issuing curfews to 24-year olds, telling people what religions to believe in, what jobs they should have. Don't ever let people like that know where you live or who your family and friends are. They will try to control them too. They're highly opinionated about things, and they won't hesitate to point out what they think your or your loved ones are doing wrong.
I agree, there definitely is an element of control. It almost seems to go hand-in-hand with all this conspiracy jargon. After all, as obsessive as these movements are, it's fairly obvious how agressive they can get over even the smallest things.
amute, thanks. It's mostly my personal experience in this subject. I don't pretend to be a psychologist or specialist in social human behavior. These characteristics just seem consistent across all of my observations.
Where'd that crazy gold member with the Bender avatar go? He's great for conspiracy lunacy.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;30495526]Where'd that crazy gold member with the Bender avatar go? He's great for conspiracy lunacy.[/QUOTE]
He was kidnapped by the CIA :tinfoil:
whoop, one of the earlier gents responded to me:
-I'll post it here in a bit-
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Check back in about twenty minutes
(I accidentally hit post reply)
If the nutters on FP have given up you could try sifting through the mess at the prisonplanet.tv forums
Won't they ban you?
[QUOTE=Mxpklx]I spent three hours last night typing a reply to your arguments. But my computer decided that it didn't want to run google chrome anymore. So I'm going to make this short and sweet.[/quote]
and I'll refute it in less than 20 minutes.
[quote]I know the cabala is NOT a book. I don't know why I put that...-__-[/quote]
Maybe you're an idiot, I dunno. OR MAYBE, space aliens did it
[quote]I like Alex Jones even though I do agree that he is somewhat crazy...[/quote]
You seem to like a lot of fucking nutters. Is it a reflection on you, is that why?
[quote]Satanists DO use the Cabala. Well a form of Satanism does. Its not the Laveyan or the other kind though... Have you ever heard of Aleister Crowley? the Freemason who started the basis for nearly all types of Satanism? [/quote]
Wrong! he was an occultist who influenced Satanist groups. Satanism had existed for hundreds of years before Crowley. He even started his own religion, Thelema. He was a mystic, he thought he was all sorts of crazy shit. Now if you're linking him as a Qubalist, then you'd be right. But he altered it.
[quote]If you were to read Hitler's Auto Biography, he claims to have had a demonic influence on what he was doing since his childhood. Even Aleister Crowley attempted to contact him but to no avail.[/quote]
Mein Kampf does not say that. I don't know what copy you're reading from, but it's not mine. Now, Crowley and Hitler were both into the occult, and Hitler spoke metaphorically of daemons, so yeah, you need to read into things more. Well, you already do, but you do it wrong.
[quote]Crowley wrote a book titled "The Book of the Law".[/quote]
A book about Thelema, not Satanism.
[quote]A non-Satanist book mind you about a In that book he stated that "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" Which is long for "Do what YOU want". this would become the basis for nearly all forms of Satanism.[/quote]
Hedonism is a lifestyle, the idea of Satanist Hedonism is to oppose the Christian church. There's some good and some bad with that. There's stuff I disagree with but simply labelling something Satanist is stupid. Satanism isn't even THAT bad. There's actually a lot of good in it.
[quote]When Crowley visited Egypt with his wife in 1904, his first wife, Rose, began going into spontaneous trances, saying things like; "They are waiting for you." and "He who was waiting was Horus." Intrigued, they went to the Cairo museum.[/quote]
Is there any evidence of this happening, or is his wife just a fuckwit?
[quote]From a distance Rose spotted a glass case and said "There, there he is." Upon inspection, the case did contain an image of horus painted on a wooden tablet (The eye of Horus is used in masonic rituals). But what particularly stunned Crowley was its exhibit number, 666.[/quote]
This sounds like an elaborate Nicholas Cage movie. but anyway, Crowley is an idiot, 666 is a number that was used as a literary device to say King Soloman was a dick, plain and simple - lets go home. And can you stop fucking mentioning the free masons in EVERYTHING. The Free masons do nothing but discuss politics, drink wine and do elaborate rituals for symbolism. My Grandfather was a free mason, he used to say the only good part about it was free booze. It's a boring club for old white people that young and old fucking lunatics like you seem to think there is more to.
[quote]Now convinced that something supernatural was happening, he returned to his hotel and performed a ritual, summoning this higher power.[/quote]
Okay, now this is breathing more and more bullshit. Who wrote this? Stephanie Myer?
[quote]Over the successive days, a book was channeled by Crowley while in a trance. The content of this revelation; I am the snake that giveth knowledge" the spirit said "To worship me, take wine and strange drugs, whereof I will tell my prophet" This book would be known as, the book of the law, the starter of nearly all forms of Satanism. So, this "Snake spirit" begins the revelation by telling man that he is a god, and that reality is an illusion, a sin, and a myth. And that there is no greater commandment than the law of Thelema; "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law."[/quote]
I think Crowley was taking wine and strange drugs before he wrote this.
[quote]That phrase would be adopted by hundreds of bands and musicians.just to name a few; John Lennon, Chris Robinson of the Black Crows, and Marilyn Manson, have all said it as words to live by. Even Harry Smith inserted it in his hand book, "The Anthology of American Folk Music" Here is a good documentary that I based my answer on that I recommend [URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg-_O9DDdnk&feature=channel_video_title[/URL][/quote]
It's a neat quote, so what? I use biblical quotes in my articles, doesn't mean I'm Christian.
[quote]Your wrong. The cabala is older than you ever thought it could have been. It can date back to the ancient Egytpians. If you use the google ditionary and define cabala, you get these definitions:[/quote]
Which one are we talking, K or Q? Now it's C? You're all over the place.
Okay, I never doubted its origin, just its movement. What exactly is your point surrounding this?
[quote]an esoteric or occult matter resembling the Kabbalah that is traditionally secret
portrays wealthy esoterics, mysteriously influential in governmental affairs. [Am. Lit.: The Cabala ]
(also spelled Cabalah, Caballa, Caballah, Cabbala, Cabbalah, Cabballa, Cabballah, and various spellings starting with the letters K or Q): A Jewish mystical tradition with roots in Palestine during the 1st century CE and which developed during the 12th century. It uses occultic (hidden) knowledge to interpret the Torah. In the early 21st century, it is enjoying a surge in popularity.
A body of Jewish theological and philosophical learning commonly used as the basts for the Western Ceremonial Magick Tradition. Also spelled Kabbalah, and Quaballah.
A body of occult philosophy, doctrines, and magickal and mystical lore derived from certain Jewish rabbinical texts, probably originating in early Chaldean and other Mesopotamian cultures, possibly including ancient Egypt. Also known as Kabala, Qabala, Qabbalah.
Esoteric Jewish traditions that attempt to "decode" the writings of the Old Testament.[/QUOTE]
So about 8 different origins, wow, this is sure conclusive
[QUOTE=Mxpklx]How about those Georgia Guidestones? They were erected on March 22nd 1980. March is the third month of the year, making it 322.
[URL]http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHKZ_enUS434US434&q=skull+and+bones+322&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1360&bih=705[/URL]
322 connotes the Spring equinox and the sign of Aries. Astrologically Aries is a "Cardinal Fire". it is Sacred to the Atonists who divideed from their rivals because of the processional changeover from the "Age of Taurus" to the "Age of Aries"[/quote]
This is either done on purpose or done on accident. If on accident it's a coincidence. If on purpose, this guy is book smart. There, mystery solved. Scholars in the 80's had a lot of time on their hands. This has nothing to do with skull and bones. Literally has fuck all.
That's like saying this: [url]http://www.ua322.org/[/url] Is a conspiracy for skull and bones.
You should watch the movie "The Number 24"
[quote]Before the emblem was employed by the Skull and Bones society, it was used by the Knights Templar, today it can be seen in the architecture of monasteries, templar churches, vatican city buildings, and it was used by the pirates commissioned by the Atonist Tudor dynasty of England. I twas also used as a symbol by the Nazis during their British-back destruction of Germany. There have been many theories as to where this strange motif originated from but it is our belief that it may have its origins in the genesis chapter 48 and in the blessing of Ephraim and Manasseh. I recommend this documentary [URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWzwvE0tAwM[/URL] (all parts of it)[/quote]
What symbol? The jolly roger? That's a pretty fucking common symbol.
[quote]Maybe you didn't read the article about Cydonia. You just looked at the pictures and assumed it was rubbish? Oh and thats the point. Washington D.C. was created before we even got the first glimpse of cydonia in 1970. But they are almost exact representations of each other. [/quote]
It is Rubbish. the guy just carved a shape out of the streets. It's easy. If you look at Cydonia, the size of the "Face" is MUCH larger than DC. If you measure it based on size, you'll get nothing alike. If you back out just enough to carve an image out of it, then yeah, you'll get something.
And how in the FUCK did they manage to build DC based off Cydonia, before anyone ever knew it existed?
[quote]Oh god now I have to prove to you that aliens exist. Whitley Strieber has a very different approach on the matter of aliens, in fact, he doesn't believe they are aliens at all.
When Steven Hawking was asked if time travel was possible, his answer was "If it is, then where are the travelers?". Thats what Strieber thinks. He believes that aliens are time travelers in disguise. In fact, I actually think you would enjoy his book. Though you may think he is a nut job. He actually takes a scientific look at religions.[/quote]
I trust Hawking more. And just saying he takes a scientific look at religions while saying aliens are time travellers in disguise seems a bit ridiculous.
Okay, there's a bit more of the same but i'm tired and I have a headache, this guy isn't helping.
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At this point, he's just refuting himself.
Where has THEMikeDurham gone, this should be right up his alley.
Or did Mike just go straight for the PM, amute?
Why would aliens be time travelers? Did he watch Dr Who and figure it sounded good.
[QUOTE=markg06;30503070]Why would aliens be time travelers? Did he watch Dr Who and figure it sounded good.[/QUOTE]
Because some people refuse to believe intelligent life other then Man could exist in the Universe.
[QUOTE=LCBADs;30502868]Where has THEMikeDurham gone, this should be right up his alley.
Or did Mike just go straight for the PM, amute?[/QUOTE]
I have not heard a peep from him.
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Jenkem is pming me though, he just calls me a troll and says i'm a basement dweller. He isn't one for creativity.
I understand your sentiment towards the Freemason/Illuminati/Satanist accounts. They are ludicrously unrealistic. But are you completely against the plausibility of a conspiracy?
[QUOTE=The Epidemic;30504029]I understand your sentiment towards the Freemason/Illuminati/Satanist accounts. [B]They are ludicrously unrealistic. But are you completely against the plausibility of a conspiracy?[/B][/QUOTE]
Because conspiracy theories are all about the why not. And once people start asking why not, everything becomes possible, and nothing makes sense.
(Hopefully I got that quote right.)
If they give evidence that is confirmed by multiple reputable third party sources, and aren't simply circumstantial or could be called coincidental, then sure I would consider a conspiracy plausible, but the fact is most theories run off the hope people are willing to just accept the evidence given to them by "the people with their eyes open" as fact.
[QUOTE=The Epidemic;30504029]I understand your sentiment towards the Freemason/Illuminati/Satanist accounts. They are ludicrously unrealistic. But are you completely against the plausibility of a conspiracy?[/QUOTE]
of course it's possible, but it's unlikely and what i've gone over is completely false.
[QUOTE=Canuhearmenow;30504127]Because conspiracy theories are all about the why not. And once people start asking why not, everything becomes possible, and nothing makes sense.
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True, but "why not" is only an initial element of logic. It only piques the interest, and from there you begin checking more inquiries; my point is you shouldn't completely bar the idea of a conspiracy. As I mentioned earlier, they are not impossible and they've occured countless times before all over the world. It is critical to question things when a clue is dropped.
For example, in the aftermath of the recent Egyptian Revolution, the Egyptians discovered many 'agreements' between the government and financial institutions, as well as media companies. While that is not comparable to a global conspiracy involving extraterrestrials and harmful chemicals, it [i]is[/i] a conspiracy and scenarios like that should not be shrugged off. If one plugs his ears and shouts 'lunatic' at any mention of conspiracy, then he likely won't notice it and he would hamper any efforts at fixing the problem.
All it takes is a quick sift through Wikileaks and you will realize how dirty the systems have become. Recall the appearance of rape charges against Assange shortly after his last info-dump. It could have been a co-incidence, but should we not slow down and look around, just in case? It looks pretty fishy if you ask me.
Look, I think the point that's being made here is that it's not about what is possible, it's about what is provable. Conjecture is not privy to the same liberties as proof is, yet it takes those liberties every time someone says, "You know what might have happened?" or, "I think I know why they did that." You may perceive "why not," as a starting point, and only a starting point, for building a reasonable case for or against something, and that's fine. But, everyone I've talked to who also subscribes to these theories (or something else that is unproven) will use it like a salesman trying to get his foot in the door. The following is typical of a conversation I would have with such a conspiracy theorist (CT for short):
CT: "Snopes is actually controlled by the government. It portrays itself as something like Myth Busters, but really, they just make up a bunch of excuses and convenient explanations that somehow "fit." They don't want the public asking questions. They're leading us like sheep."
Me: "That makes no sense. Why would they try to offer up explanations for a conspiracy or myth that you're going to believe anyways, regardless of whether it's logical? If these myths are true, why would they try so hard to cover them up when a lot of people think such claims are crazy and they don't believe in them anyways? Where did you get this from?"
CT: "I didn't 'get' this from anyone. It just makes sense. All the signs are there. They're trying to balance things out. If they don't fight it, people will start to think that they aren't fighting it because it's true. Conspiracies exist. Prove me wrong."
Me: "I can't prove you wrong. It's impossible to prove a negative. I also can't prove that dinosaurs still don't exist."
CT: "Actually, they do. Kent Hovind said that someone in Africa saw what they described to be 'huge, flying, scaly reptiles.'"
Me: *double face-palming by now* "Did they take pictures? Did they catch one? Do they have any proof they exist?"
CT: "Who would lie about something like that?"
There needs to be proof. And, the burden of proof isn't on me. It's not on anyone who doesn't believe in this stuff. The burden of proof is on anyone who says that something happened. It's what our justice system is supposedly based on (innocent until proven guilty), and it's also the basis of science. We're not asking for indisputable proof. We're not asking for the universe itself to proclaim the absolute and undeniable truth to us. All we're asking for is something, ANYTHING, that isn't based on assumptions, paranoid suspicion, or conjecture. Something that isn't so easily disproved by simple logic, or just light observation of the world around us. For example, if the government is trying to poison us through our food, medicine, and vaccines, why is our life expectancy up to 80? If the government is trying to sterilize us, why is our global population now reaching 7 billion? If all of these conspiracy theories I'm hearing are true, why is it that not a single one has yet come to fruition?
You just said that "in the aftermath of the recent Egyptian Revolution, the Egyptians discovered many 'agreements' between the government and financial institutions, as well as media companies." I didn't follow any news reports about these agreements you're talking about, and I have trouble finding information on them. If you could provide source material, I'd appreciate it. But, regardless of what they are, I just want to point out something about what you said: it was discovered in the aftermath. Not before the revolution. It was discovered afterwards. I would think that, before the revolution, there were no guys with tin foil hats who were making claims about this particular conspiracy, but because I can't prove it, I'll assume there was at least one. Governments in countries all around the world have played the role of Mr. Hyde. Germany, Russia, China, and yes, even America. Bad things happen in government, just like bad things happen everywhere else in society. It's not about whether or not a conspiracy could exist. The point is, if there IS a real conspiracy brewing on our turf, we'll never know it, because it'll be drowned out by all the ranting and raving of a boy who cried wolf.
[QUOTE=The Epidemic;30506181]For example, in the aftermath of the recent Egyptian Revolution, the Egyptians discovered many 'agreements' between the government and financial institutions, as well as media companies. While that is not comparable to a global conspiracy involving extraterrestrials and harmful chemicals, it [i]is[/i] a conspiracy and scenarios like that should not be shrugged off. If one plugs his ears and shouts 'lunatic' at any mention of conspiracy, then he likely won't notice it and he would hamper any efforts at fixing the problem.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but not a lot of people would have disagreed with you a year ago if you said that Mubarak's government was corrupt and authoritarian, because there was already a ton of evidence to support that. That's hardly equivalent to saying the U.S. government planned 9/11, which doesn't really have any evidence at all.
[QUOTE=amute;30325514]
Oh wait, I have a paying job which I love to do and people [I]pay me for my writing skill and talent[/I]. You are unemployed, uncultured, pretty ignorant and stalk [U][I][B]woman[/B][/I][/U]. So jog on.[/QUOTE]
What.
Wait, so you went through my huge post, ignored every point, regardless if you agree or not, bump this thread, ignore the rest of the thread and you pick out the ONE spelling error? What the fuck are you on?
It's PRETTY clear I meant WomEn, not WomAn
You sir are my new hero. You have no idea how good it feels to read that OP when you're a guy who spends his spare time proving Alex Jones wrong in his comments and getting trolled to death by his horde. I cannot stress this enough: thank you.
I suddenly feel the urge to plug this into tinyurl and paste it on every single one of Jones' videos of youtube.
Spread the word if you want!
[QUOTE=amute;30650574]Wait, so you went through my huge post, ignored every point, regardless if you agree or not, bump this thread, ignore the rest of the thread and you pick out the ONE spelling error? What the fuck are you on?
It's PRETTY clear I meant WomEn, not WomAn[/QUOTE]
Eh, something I noticed. Thought it was kind of funny, seeing as how you stated you were a professional writer(they tend to have good grammar :v:) just a few words before. And I'm not on anything, except maybe humor.
Other than that, that whole post refuting Jenkem is in dire need of a Slow Clap. Dire, dire need. :colbert:
Let me introduce you to something called a typographical error. It sometimes happens.
[QUOTE=amute;30656701]Let me introduce you to something called a typographical error. It sometimes happens.[/QUOTE]
No. Professional writers do not make mistakes. This is also why editors do not exist.
So I decided to embarrass myself and do a dramatic reading of Jenkem's posts
[url]http://vocaroo.com/?media=v8jgLxDIkZQQAztbT[/url]
Fable 3 music in the background behind nasally Irish voice.
[QUOTE=amute;30706622]So I decided to embarrass myself and do a dramatic reading of Jenkem's posts
[url]http://vocaroo.com/?media=v8jgLxDIkZQQAztbT[/url]
Fable 3 music in the background behind nasally Irish voice.[/QUOTE]
I really don't see the point of this. There have been dumber things said on facepunch.
cuz I wanted to
[QUOTE=TH89;30300119]People were arrested and imprisoned for being communists, civil rights leaders were tracked (and possibly killed) by Federal agencies, entire classes of people were made to live in fear, with no representation in the government and no hope of a fair trial, the list of abuses goes on and on. If you really think that's even comparable to today, let alone [I]not as bad[/I], you have a really poor grasp of the state of government today.[/QUOTE]
Is this not at least somewhat similar to the state of affairs since 9/11, with many people effectively being racially-profiled, with 0 or minimal or at best circumstantial/coincidental "evidence", with Guantanamo Bay and many falsely-accused "terrorists" imprisoned for up to years with no due-process? CIA performing extraordinary renditions in general, but specifically with innocent people (I know of at least 1 case for this, read an amazing article or two about some poor guy who was abducted, tortured, and dropped off in another country when the CIA realized he wasn't actually a person of interest, but sadly I do not recall his name, this was years ago)? I think that is "comparable" to your examples.
Anyways, I hate to drag up a 3+ week thread, but I just discovered facepunch, read the OP's article, really liked it, and had to register and comment below... this initially started as a small reply but I must apologize for somewhat rambling & building a small wall:
Great job on the article, it's a nice write, investigation, & debunking of some of the nuttier conspiracies out there. However, there are certain views which are a bit more grounded in sane, rational thought, which get sidelined by all of the pure nutty shit that grabs everyone's attention. Specifically, 9/11 as a false-flag operation (and almost even more so, the London 7/7 bombings -- really, both instances should be investigated side by side, as they share so many similarities). There is enough evidence to lend credibility to the idea that these attacks were false-flag operations.
The problem as I see it is this: when people start thinking & talking about the possibility of alternative explanations to what is in the mainstream, it attracts the attention of full-blown nutters who tack on their own crazy BS, and it snowballs into something distracting and nearly indistinguishably convoluted from the initial idea. Also, people try to come up with motives, explanation of motives, try to identify specific parties, creating wild speculation about specific aspects of the core idea, all before establishing a firm base with what IS known and easier to work with. I think a lot of the theories the OP discusses were directly born from 9/11.
Notice I mentioned 7/7 & 9/11 as "false-flag operations", but did not say "government sponsored" or assign a culprit? That is because, in my mind (and many others), while there is strong evidence (circumstantial or otherwise) to support the theory that these attacks were NOT (at least wholly) created & perpetrated by cave-dwelling religious psychos half-way across the world, there may not yet be strong enough evidence (or research to discover such evidence) that points a finger at a specific party (or parties).
Simple intuition also tells me that it is highly unlikely/improbable that the single largest & most successful (forgive the expression) terrorist attack in known human history was possible simply due to gross incompetence & stupidity on the part of the US President (Bush), US Gov, military, FAA, and others (there were MASSIVE unprecedented failures in established procedures); that cave-dwelling jihadists who trained on cesnas were able to perform amazing aerial feats in large, cumbersome commercial airliners which professional pilots have come forward to state they were astounding or near-imposible; and that two sky scrapers were brought down into their own footprints by jets flown into them, filled with impossible-until-then steel-melting fuel, effectively in an instantaneous manner.
Why do we have controlled demolition companies plan for months how to plant explosives in a building to bring it down in its own footprint, when we could simply fly jets into buildings to accomplish the same thing in a few hours?
If 9/11 were perpetrated by cave-dwelling jihadists because they "hate our freedoms" and they hate our intrusion and influence on the middle-eastern economy & culture, this group of people should have anticipated we would not let such an attack go unanswered. Who benefited the most from 9/11? Certainly not Afghanistan & Iraq, whom we bombed the shit out of and invaded and have since occupied for nearly 10 years; that sounds like nearly the exact opposite reaction the 9/11 attack was hoping to achieve! However, many contractors of all types have since benefited directly monetarily... not to mention the extremely suspicious & seemingly omnipotent decision for some unknown party(ies) to place "put" options on American Airlines & United Airlines stock days/weeks before both company's stocks plummeted due to the attacks, thereby generating massive profits for the "put" holder(s).
We were warned by countless international agencies of an impending attack, days before it happened, with specific details, but we effectively did nothing; there are procedures in place, in the organizations mentioned, to handle terrorists taking over planes, the gov & military response, etc; the US has the largest & most effective military & defense industry in the world; the US Gov & other US agencies were running "war games" on the day-of, with amazingly similar details to what was actually occuring, which aided in confusion of a proper response; and many organizations of professionals & academics have risked their reputations by coming forward to question the official accounts of these events & to demand investigations ("X for 9/11 Truth", where X = Pilots, Architects; Scholars; Physicists).
Why is it that these large scale attacks were successful, yet not a single terrorist attack has occured on American or English/UK soil since? Not a single attack, even the simplest of car-bombings or suicide bombings, etc, in the past decade+ since 9/11 and the start of the "War on Terror". Not a single attack, with all the "BOOGY BOOGY BE SCARED FOREVER!" terrorist sleeper-cells supposedly entrenched in our societies that we were/are continually warned about for years. Absolutely no response from these sleeper cells when OBL was supposedly killed. I find it truly and utterly impossible to believe that the reason there have been no more attacks of ANY SCALE are due to a sudden 100% increase in effectiveness & competence in our security measures since 9/11. Especially considering the fact that (for one example) the TSA routinely has failed to detect potential bomb components or bomb look-alikes during investigations conducted by independent entitites.
I don't mean to ramble, and I'm not trying to convince anyone of my views, as this is a lot of opinion & hyperbole, and I haven't cited any sources (everything I state above has facts and sources behind them, easily researched, which I have seen/read over the past decade+, but I am not a librarian or scholar and I do not keep a personal database of references). I'm not sure what my point is, except that it seems like all the crazy conspiracy theories the OP discusses & debunks seemed to have been spawned by, or fueled by, 9/11, while the core 9/11 & 7/7 "alternative theories" have a lot more credibility & relevance, yet get ignored and get [further] ridiculed by extension. Just because the fringe theories are obviously nutty & easily debunked, does not mean that all "conspiracy theories" are nutty and do not deserve attention. It seemed like the overall point of the article was to say: since all of these examples are untrue, then any and all other questionable theories not accepted in the mainstream are also untrue, because they probably came from the same group of nutty people. But it is important to question the established norm. I started questioning 9/11 that day, the instant I was watching the towers burn & fall on live TV. I didn't jump on some conspiracy bandwagon after the fact, I was immediately struck by many aspects of the day's events that I could not find comfortable explanations for. If no one ever questioned the established "truth" propagated by the higher powers that be, we would still believe the earth was the center of the friggin universe. THAT truth did not change easily and was also ridiculed and it's creators & believers persecuted & humiliated.
[QUOTE=insidious420;30784973]
Why do we have controlled demolition companies plan for months how to plant explosives in a building to bring it down in its own footprint, when we could simply fly jets into buildings to accomplish the same thing in a few hours?[/QUOTE]
pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft ahhaahahahhaahahahahahaaha
that just about sums up the intelligence level of the post.
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