God damn for once I try to make a legit post that contributes to the whole but I get shunned for it. :smith:
[QUOTE=Meader;20936867]Which is why I didn't say they are the same exact thing. I said they are basically the same, which means they are similar.
They may have different molecules, but two molecules can cause the same thing to happen. Let's say Drug A blocks the neurotransmitters preventing re-uptake of dopomine or some other chemical in the brain and causes the neurochemical to repeatedly create an electrical charge, which causes you to get high or trip. Drug B also blocks the same neurotransmitters, causing the same exact thing to happen. In this way, the two drugs can cause the same EXACT symptoms (hypothetically), even though they are different molecules, and completely different drugs.
So yes, you CAN say the effects are the same. And if you ask anybody who's done both LSD and LSA, they have the same effect, just LSA isn't as potent.
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And I know one is a plant and the other's in the lab. Thus why I mentioned it in the first place.[/QUOTE]
LSA is definitely not the same as LSD, and I doubt many people think they are.
They are both hallucinogens but they really aren't the same, and it's not just a matter of potency.
THC and JWH-081 also have similar chemical structures but have huge differences in effect.
I haven't dropped acid yet but from my experience shrooms are godsent vegetables created by the chillest beings on earth to give us tastes of how they live every day.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LSA[/url]
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[*][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergic_acid_amide"]Lysergic acid amide[/URL] (ergine), a compound closely related to LSD[/quote]
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[quote][B]Ergoline[/B] is a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical"]chemical[/URL] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_compound"]compound[/URL] whose structural skeleton is contained in a diverse range of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkaloids"]alkaloids[/URL] including a few [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychedelic"]psychedelic[/URL] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoactive_drug"]drugs[/URL] ([URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergic_acid"]lysergic acid[/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LSD"]LSD[/URL]).[/quote]
They both contain Ergoline, which is one of the main chemical that makes you trip.
I don't think ergoline is the main chemical that makes you trip.
It's like saying phenethylamine makes you trip (main backbone for 2C-x, MDMA, meth etc)
[QUOTE=Meader;20929860]Well you can get LSA (LSD's sister, basically the same thing) from Morning Glories. I guess you just have to be smart is all. common sense aint so common eh?[/QUOTE]
You have no fucking idea what you're talking about. LSA and LSD are nothing alike.
LSD > Shrooms
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[QUOTE=Mindtwistah;20933242]Also, people who say "It grows in the ground so it's ok" are pretty stupid. Shrooms are probably slightly more dangerous than LSD since you get a bunch of shit from the fungus, while acid is purely the chemical with no side-effects and an LD50 of several thousand times a normal dose.
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Oh, and I suppose that Datura is completely ok too since it grows in the ground?[/QUOTE]
Fucking this. All of this.
I slightly prefer shrooms, but i never found a huge difference between the two
[QUOTE=trips;20931004]I don't like the buzzed feeling you get on lsd, the inability to sleep after the trip, the constant mind fuck that you get when you're unoccupied. It's a fun drug don't get me wrong but I prefer the bubbly weirdness you get from goomies. The sporadic feelings.[/QUOTE]
Long time no see, trips.
[QUOTE=Meader;20940425]They both contain Ergoline, which is one of the main chemical that makes you trip.[/QUOTE]
Could you please stop posting?
[QUOTE=Meader;20936032]From what I've researched and read, LSA is a whole lot like LSD, only a lot less potent.
And I guess LSA is more of a body high than LSD, which is more of a psychological high.[/QUOTE]
No no no no no no no
[QUOTE=Anubis678;20941133]You have no fucking idea what you're talking about. LSA and LSD are nothing alike.
LSD > Shrooms
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Fucking this. All of this.[/QUOTE]
No, that general rule does not apply every time. I agree, LSD is completely safe, and I plan to do it sometime in the near future when it's around again. It's just my general rule, that's all.
And LSD and LSA ARE alike, they aren't the same thing, but they're alike.
[QUOTE=Meader;20941243]And LSD and LSA ARE alike, they aren't the same thing, but they're alike.[/QUOTE]
Have you done either? No, you haven't.
But I have, multiple times, and I can tell you that the two experiences are nothing alike.
LSD and LSA are extremely alike
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chemically :smug:
[QUOTE=Anubis678;20941207]Could you please stop posting?[/QUOTE]
K. I'll stop posting in this thread then. I'm just going by what I've learned, and you're going by what you've learned. I don't wanna be right, just educated. So could you please point me in the right direction, possibly with a link?
[QUOTE=Meader;20941436]K. I'll stop posting in this thread then. I'm just going by what I've learned, and you're going by what you've learned. I don't wanna be right, just educated. So could you please point me in the right direction, possibly with a link?[/QUOTE]
No, I meant stop posting period. You generally have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
[URL="http://lmgtfy.com/?q=lsa+and+lsd+similarities"]LSD and LSA similarities
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[QUOTE=Meader;20941436][B]I don't wanna be right, just educated.[/B] [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Anubis678;20941496]No, I meant stop posting period. You generally have no fucking idea what you're talking about.[/QUOTE]
Anubis, don't be a dick. I'm just doing what everybody does and stating what I know to be true. If it's not true, prove me wrong with some links, otherwise you have no basis to go on.
[QUOTE=concon;20941504][URL="http://lmgtfy.com/?q=lsa+and+lsd+similarities"]LSD and LSA similarities
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I had googled it, which is why I've been wrong so much I guess...
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[quote]LSA is a naturally occuring psychedelic chemical with a potency 1/10 to 1/30th that of LSD. It has some similarities in effect to LSD, but is generally considered much less stimulating and can be sedating. Structurally LSA and LSD are [URL="http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/chemistry/chemistry_compare.php?lm=lsa_3d&rm=lsd_3d"]quite similar[/URL].[/quote]
Accoring to Erowid.
[QUOTE=Meader;20941597]Anubis, don't be a dick.[/QUOTE]
I don't like you.
[QUOTE=Meader;20941597]I'm just doing what everybody does and stating what I know to be true.[/QUOTE]
Except it's not true...
[QUOTE=Meader;20941597]If it's not true, prove me wrong with some links, otherwise you have no basis to go on.[/QUOTE]
I'm not arguing with you for your benefit.
I don't need to prove you wrong with links. I have personal experience on my side. I have done both LSA and LSD multiple times each, and from personal experience I can tell you that the two psychedelic experiences are vastly different. You, on the other hand, have no personal experience with either substance, and so your opinion holds no weight.
[QUOTE=Meader;20941597]Accoring to Erowid.[/QUOTE]
Potency refers to the amount of the substance required for a psychedelic experience. Saying that LSD is more potent than LSA means fuck all.
Structural similarity also means fuck all. We're talking about the effects here.
The effects of LSA are far less visual (OEVs are uncommon, CEVs common on higher doses), but much, much, [b]much[/b] more mental.
While LSD is stimulating, with relative mental clarity, LSA is sedating, with a heavy body load and many uncomfortable physical effects (nausea, cramping, vasoconstriction). The mental effects are often disorienting, confusing and delirium-esque, especially at high doses.
[QUOTE=Anubis678;20942671]I don't like you.[/QUOTE]
You don't like anyone.
[QUOTE=Anubis678;20942671]Except it's not true...[/quote]
I know, which is why I said to prove me wrong. Everything I've looked up says that it IS true.
[QUOTE=Anubis678;20942671]I'm not arguing with you for your benefit.
I don't need to prove you wrong with links. I have personal experience on my side. I have done both LSA and LSD multiple times each, and from personal experience I can tell you that the two psychedelic experiences are vastly different. You, on the other hand, have no personal experience with either substance, and so your opinion holds no weight.
Potency refers to the amount of the substance required for a psychedelic experience. Saying that LSD is more potent than LSA means fuck all.
Structural similarity also means fuck all. We're talking about the effects here.
The effects of LSA are far less visual (OEVs are uncommon, CEVs common on higher doses), but much, much, [B]much[/B] more mental.
While LSD is stimulating, with relative mental clarity, LSA is sedating, with a heavy body load and many uncomfortable physical effects (nausea, cramping, vasoconstriction). The mental effects are often disorienting, confusing and delirium-esque, especially at high doses.[/QUOTE]
No, you're not arguing for my benefit, clearly. You're arguing to argue. I accept they aren't the same. Never once did I say they were the exact same drug. I was simply saying that they have similarities. And I ask for proof because you could easily be lying (I don't think you are, you're well respected enough (despite you're tough exterier of being a dirty SOB) that I think you're telling the truth).
And I'll stop posting when you stop being a dick.
Anubis got that doctorate in burning holes in his brain
[QUOTE=Meader;20942974]
And I'll stop posting when you stop being a dick.[/QUOTE]
He's only a dick to people who deserve it.
[QUOTE=Meader;20942974]You don't like anyone.[/QUOTE]
No, I just have a problem with stupid people.
[QUOTE=Meader;20942974]No, you're not arguing for my benefit, clearly. You're arguing to argue[/QUOTE]
No, I'm arguing to prove you wrong. There's a difference
[QUOTE=Meader;20942974]I'll stop posting when you stop being a dick.[/QUOTE]
I'll stop being a dick when you stop posting stupid shit.
[QUOTE=Meader;20942974]I accept they aren't the same. Never once did I say they were the exact same drug. I was simply saying that they have similarities.[/QUOTE]
Oh really? Hm...
[QUOTE=Meader;20929860]Well you can get LSA ([b]LSD's sister, basically the same thing[/b]) from Morning Glories.[/QUOTE]
Not only are they not "basically the same thing," the two drugs are vastly different in effects. In fact, I'd go as far to say that, in the context of psychedelic drugs, their differences outweigh their similarities
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[QUOTE=SilverHammer;20943033]Anubis got that doctorate in burning holes in his brain[/QUOTE]
From mod to shitposter. Good jorb meng :downsbravo:
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[QUOTE=Anubis678;20943234]
Not only are they not "basically the same thing," the two drugs are vastly different in effects. In fact, I'd go as far to say that, in the context of psychedelic drugs, their differences outweigh their similarities
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So I got some bad information from several sources. I was simply sharing what I had found on multiple occasions, from multiple places both in the past and today. I think what I said was taken a bit too far and exaggerated, but I too exaggerated in my OP, so I will surely admit I am wrong in saying that they are "basically the same thing". That's my bad.
I trust a tab of acid more than a mushroom to be honest.
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Anubis have you studied chemistry to any extent? neuro/biochemistry specifically?
dont worry our little brothers wont let you down, they come in waves and every wave has it's own lession so just go with it and you'll end up knowing yourself more than ever
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:shroom: nature calls
[QUOTE=PieHard92;20945309]Anubis have you studied chemistry to any extent? neuro/biochemistry specifically?[/QUOTE]
I've taken an intro-level chemistry course, but that hardly counts. I was a Computer Science/Engineering major before switching to Psychology, so I took a number of basic science courses.
[QUOTE=Anubis678;20946127]I've taken an intro-level chemistry course, but that hardly counts. I was a Computer Science/Engineering major before switching to Psychology, so I took a number of basic science courses.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough.
[QUOTE=trips;20932995]wtf no way man no one's going to lace mushrooms with LSD. That sounds retarded. Like drip the acid on the caps or something? That sounds really wasteful. And 50 bucks is insanely expensive for an eighth. I get eighths for 13 dollars here and that'll last you two separate trips.[/QUOTE]
I have no idea how to get a hold of shrooms. I want to try them. Sounds like a reasonable price.
[QUOTE=OutOfPop;20951595]I have no idea how to get a hold of shrooms. I want to try them. Sounds like a reasonable price.[/QUOTE]
Try growing your own cubensis, it's really easy. Another alternative would be to buy truffles from places like elephantos, however they're pretty expensive and weak.
That or you could just pick liberty caps once the season starts.
[QUOTE=OutOfPop;20951595]I have no idea how to get a hold of shrooms. I want to try them. Sounds like a reasonable price.[/QUOTE]
Almost all of the bud dealers around where I am also sell shrooms and X. Perhaps you should ask yours?
[QUOTE=Anubis678;20943234]
From mod to shitposter. Good jorb meng :downsbravo:[/QUOTE]
Well that's not two-faced or anything
and here I was thinking you weren't a prick you sure proved me wrong
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Ok maybe that was mean
but what the hell I thought we were cool don't so touchy
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