• Why do people dislike Facepunch?
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[QUOTE=isnipeu;42550842]I don't understand the hate towards memes, they can be funny if used correctly. Yeah they get annoying if people overuse them but from what I've seen as soon as someone uses one they get a ton of dumbs. Do people have a reason for hating memes besides them being banable?[/QUOTE] We generally frown on memes because we don't like unoriginal content, over-used jokes, or forum culture that doesn't belong here. We are still generally alright with memes when they're used in an unexpected and witty way, and took some effort to come up with or create yourself. Generic phrases and image macros you copy-pasted from somewhere else generally do not fit this standard. [editline]17th October 2013[/editline] We for example still have our own memes like ukulele guy or "im crying. we are gonna be poor"
[QUOTE=isnipeu;42550842]I don't understand the hate towards memes, they can be funny if used correctly. Yeah they get annoying if people overuse them but from what I've seen as soon as someone uses one they get a ton of dumbs. Do people have a reason for hating memes besides them being banable?[/QUOTE] Except they're rarely used correctly.
[QUOTE=isnipeu;42550842]I don't understand the hate towards memes, they can be funny if used correctly. Yeah they get annoying if people overuse them but from what I've seen as soon as someone uses one they get a ton of dumbs. Do people have a reason for hating memes besides them being banable?[/QUOTE] I feel no shame admitting I still am mildly amused by old memes that date back to before I started using the internet. The thing about memes that makes them funny is that the real ones just [I]happen[/I], but nowadays you get lots of forced ones that just aren't funny. There's also stuff like the rage faces that leaked over into the real world and now everyone knows about and uses incorrectly, that kinda burned us out on rage comics. I guess the point of all this is that memes can be funny, what we hate is improper usage and plagiarism that comes along with most of them.
I love browsing Facepunch! It's like navigating a mine field of hypocritical morals and and rules with massive gray-areas. Posting something in one thread in a particular forum gets you showered in funnies, but banned somewhere else, some mods are strict, and some are more lax, racism is theoretically banned, but if your subtle enough, or really funny, the mods will turn a blind eye. Content stealing, late content, and stupid images are all tolerated if you do it juuust right.
The shitty posters on it The awful feminist debates The dumb rating Rust The moderators The rules and the fact that the entire site and community is one big grey area The anime avatars Those seem to be the most obvious reasons
Oh, the reasons are more innumerable than one can count. We act like condescending pricks to just about every webforum while taking their content and reposting the shit out of it while lacking the creativity or ability to actually make something of our own. Despite being one of the largest webforums, we probably have one of the smallest percentages for contributing members, as most of the members are lurkers/alts or confused individuals from other forums that quickly get banned. Facepunch also has high standards, which I admittedly enjoy, but it does essentially weed out alternate opinions or ways of thinking and brings any kind of progression to a standstill. Most people heap the blame on SH, but every subforum here is for the birds. Let me explain: The GD is a shadow of its former self. Before, there was lots of interesting discussion taking place here (even back when I joined in 2010) but recently it has become a ghost-town, with most people fanning out to Fast Threads for most of the same material but coming at a quicker pace, or going to General Gaming Discussion or SH for their gaming and political fix. What few threads and posts that do get started are usually of fairly poor quality, at least in my opinion, and are mostly "chatrooms" for various activities that couldn't find a home in any other section. Fast Threads used to be the "Southside" of FP, if you get me. The moderators were (and still are) fairly lax here and it was generally intended as an introduction for new members who were much more used to the alternate styles and subjects of other forums like 4Chan. Now it has either become "discussion" taken from the GD or threads owing more to reddit than to Facepunch, with lots of "post your" style threads that live and die in a few days or even [I]hours.[/I] Most people used to regard this as one of the worst sections of FP, but now it is the new "General Discussion" that tends to be dominated by behemoth threads like LMAO Pics that constantly repost shit from reddit/4Chan while berating both forums for a perceived lack of quality while touting our own. Videos can be a pretty "chill" forum some of the time, but it seems to be the second worst for triggering shitstorms right behind SH. Post a video about feminism: shitstorm. Post a video about ponies: shitstorm. Honestly, post a video about any hot-button topic and you get a shitstorm. And this right here points out the inherent flaw of FP as a whole. We claim to be very Liberal and progressive but all we seem to do is follow the same trends as everyone else. Honestly, nobody on here truly posts with an open mind. We all end up being influenced by the stupid ratings system, almost robotically ticking "agree" or disregarding a post because it has too many "dumbs". Beyond that, we emulate the so called "lesser forums" and their trends. Everybody on FP thought fedora's were the shit back when I first joined; but as reddit and 4Chan and Something Awful began to turn against them, Facepunch conformed and did the same. The Videos section is a pretty good example of that, showcasing the rise and fall of internet trends and how we desperately chase in the footsteps of larger, more diverse sites. Mass Debate was created for some kind of "civilized discussion". However, civilized discussion doesn't exist on the internet, so hardly anybody uses the damned thing. Sensationalist Headlines in the juicy center of the rotten apple that is FP. Arguably, this is the worst subforum on here, and certainly the most elitist. There is exactly one opinion. Almost all the time, that opinion will be whichever post gets the most agrees on the front page of a thread. That will continue to be the one side that people pick throughout a threads runtime, with what little opposition that gets presented usually being smacked down because it doesn't meet FP's "standards" or the popular opinion and, as stated above, people tend to ignore or disregard post that are dumbed or even dumb them themselves to add to the bandwagon. That is, in essence, what SH and most of FP really is: one massive bandwagon. It's almost a conform or die scenario. You will abide by our code. You will follow the same opinions as us. If you get rated one box, it is all over, as more will be piled on just because one lurker didn't like your opinion. There isn't any real free thought. It is almost a sociological study in its own right; how people conform to opinions and beliefs and force others to do so as well, creating an almost 1984-esque state where one opinion and group reigns dominant and uses its tools to put down other opinions, destroying almost all hope of progress. Moving on from my crazed conspiracy-theory ideologies to the News Node. Nobody pays much attention here. It is kind of the back ally of the main FP hub, where lurkers who were too scared/shy to voice their opinions in other subs jump out of the woodwork in large numbers to beat you up and take your lunch money and promptly leave. Not much else to say here, as the other 3/4s of all posts in this sub are just bitching about how shitty the News Bots are, but bitching about the new ones when Garry changes them. General Games Discussion is probably one of the better subs, but it still has many of the same pitfalls. You will tend to see many threads fall into "civil wars" where people go on entire page-long rants [sp]sounds familiar[/sp] about a tiny aspect or opinion of the series at hand. And God help ye who post thy negative opinion in a game's specific thread. Fire and brimstone will reign down on thee with the great force of a thousand angry nerds endlessly wanking over their favorite series. Rust... we don't talk about Rust. A shite game in my opinion but that isn't the point. The point is, this sub is literally cancer. You [B]will[/B] get cancer from posting or viewing a post in the Rust sub. Please, if you have entered the Rust subforum or have been exposed to images of its cruelty, consult your physician who will then escort you to the nearest suicide booth. Every other forum gets a little message for essentially being exactly like General Games Discussion but about topics other than games. Many are significantly smaller and see far less posts than GGD, but they see similar "civil war" style rampages in threads and an over-eagerness to shoot down alternative opinions. Modelling and Mapping are the two most productive threads on FP, but Modelling, at least in my opinion, ends up being a waste of time because half the shit people make or port is the same tacticool bullshit that we already have 500 models of but with a slightly higher polycount. Mapping is a bit better, but it feels like most of the projects their don't even see a release. Actually, most of the models don't see a public release either, which is pretty fucking stupid. Why bother porting that content if you're just going to hog it, use it for some pose in Gmod, then never lay eyes upon it again? MsPaint is shit. Whatever creativity dwelled in that old, rusted machine is dead now. Occasional it sputters back to life, but it never stays like that for long and never churns out good products like the olden days. Creationism Corner in general sees far less output than it did, and like the rest of Facepunch you wont see much "collaborating" barring some rare occasions. So that is the run down of most major subs of FP that I visit. In summary: the people are condescending dicks who belittle other forums for lack of quality and creativity while outputting nothing of value, despite the fact that FP doesn't put out anything of our own and instead feeds of these "lesser" forums like vultures on a rotting carcass. We are almost always the caboose of the bandwagon... train... thing, usually just jumping on whatever ship 4Chan did. In fact, as much as we insult them, it seems almost everyone on here idolizes 4Chan and wishes FP to be [I]more[/I] like 4Chan. Basically, we have a unwarranted superiority complex that causes lots of disparity between us and other forums.
[QUOTE=BananaFoam;42560424]-post-[/QUOTE] This so much. I was going to post earlier about how Facepunch seems to both absolutely hate mainstream media and opinions, while also hating people who hate mainstream media and gleefully touting whatever the mainstream opinion on the subject is. For example; for such a liberal forum, I can't help but notice that most of us really, [i]really[/i] hate transgender people. It's probably just me on this one, but I also started noticing a pattern in who was banned in the transgender-related argument threads as well, but I'm not going to just go and say there's some conspiracy about it. And then there's the whole simultaneously hating general opinion while using general opinion thing; a perfect example of this is how that Shiba Inu "doge" meme apparently isn't funny anymore, or never was funny in the first place. I thought I was the only person who noticed how this happens with every single thing that could be considered a meme Facepunch lays eyes upon; from Harlem Shake to "inb4" to Gangnam Style all the way back to rage comics. Everyone loves the shit out of meme when it's still "exclusive" to Facepunch (even though it never was ((it's also important to deny the fact that it's a meme))), then eventually, when someone starts to notice that other people pay attention to meme or it spreads to popular communities that we don't like, there's such a dramatic, inverted shift in opinion that it's fascinating. Everyone, even the people who originally loved meme at first, suddenly block out any opinion except that meme is awful, is not funny, was never funny (ever!), and anyone who thinks otherwise is a dumb, mainstream person. (make sure not to use the word "mainstream" either unless you're using it ironically!) But it's exactly like you said. I stopped myself from posting at the last second, because I was afraid that I'd get dumbed down and possibly even banned. [editline]a[/editline] Also awaiting the "facepunch isn't a hivemind" responses.
[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;42560619] -Long post- Also awaiting the "facepunch isn't a hivemind" responses.[/QUOTE] I think the fact that we all disagree, yet we all 'hang around' together, is what makes this forum so interesting. The majority opinion tends not to reflect that of any one group; the stances on each individual issue might seem logical, but in the big picture they don't mesh with any one large group. Maybe it's because this is the only forum I've ever been genuinely active on, but at a glance I don't see such discordance in any other functioning forum or fanbase.
Because the admins ban everyone for "dumb post/dumb thread/rules that aren't listed anywhere."
[QUOTE=BananaFoam;42560424] The GD is a shadow of its former self. Before, there was lots of interesting discussion taking place here (even back when I joined in 2010) but recently it has become a ghost-town, with most people fanning out to Fast Threads for most of the same material but coming at a quicker pace, or going to General Gaming Discussion or SH for their gaming and political fix. What few threads and posts that do get started are usually of fairly poor quality, at least in my opinion, and are mostly "chatrooms" for various activities that couldn't find a home in any other section. [/QUOTE] This so much. Over the years, GD has exponentially gotten crappier as a subforum. News goes to SH, fast paced topics go to Fast Threads, interesting discussions go to Mass Debates. It seems like every so many months, an aspect of GD is delegated off to another subforum. When I was a new guy in early 2009, it was my favorite place to be. Now I rarely visit.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;42561595]This so much. Over the years, GD has exponentially gotten crappier as a subforum. News goes to SH, fast paced topics go to Fast Threads, interesting discussions go to Mass Debates. It seems like every so many months, an aspect of GD is delegated off to another subforum. When I was a new guy in early 2009, it was my favorite place to be. Now I rarely visit.[/QUOTE] I used to lurk in GD for a year before I signed up. It was a weird mix of fast topics, shitty topics, megathreads about random crap (I remember some people got RU for making great threads. Don't see purple names around anymore, did they get rid of it?) Now I just keep an eye on the new threads/new post thing since looking in the actual sections is almost pointless.
...I never knew the forum was that bad. I suppose a good question for now is whether this forum has passed the point of no return. Can the forum get better? And if so, how? Also, if you guys don't like the forum so much, why do you stay?
[QUOTE=BananaFoam;42560424]We act like condescending pricks to just about every webforum while taking their content and reposting the shit out of it while lacking the creativity or ability to actually make something of our own. Despite being one of the largest webforums, we probably have one of the smallest percentages for contributing members, as most of the members are lurkers/alts or confused individuals from other forums that quickly get banned.[/QUOTE] I think the reason most forums generally produce more original content and memes, is because original art and models and programming have their own subsections where they're posted, so we don't get a lot of threads where people post their originally created content or encourage new creative memetic mutations related to other subsections than their own. We have a shit ton of contributing members, they just aren't encouraged to post their creations outside of their respective subsections. If people aren't noticing that FP is contributing a lot of original content, it is because they themselves don't spend any time in the sections where actual contributors hang out. If you really don't think FP can create original content, go to any of the artistic sections, go to gamemode and addon releases, go to the modeling section, go to the mapping section, go to the programming section, or jump in one of the TF2 Emporium threads.
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