• Necrophilia Should be Morally Permissible
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My problem with it (other than disgust) is that it trivialises the personality of the deceased.
[QUOTE=Drasnus;34433967]My problem with it (other than disgust) is that it trivialises the personality of the deceased.[/QUOTE] As I have previously stated, a dead body is not representitive of the personallity of the now-dead person, so I really do think that you have to be very judgemental to have your opinion of the person altered because of what someone else did.
[QUOTE=Patriarch;34434006]As I have previously stated, a dead body is not representitive of the personallity of the now-dead person, so I really do think that you have to be very judgemental to have your opinion of the person altered because of what someone else did.[/QUOTE] If you want people to respect your opinion, respect others opinions.
[QUOTE=Thaard;34434051]If you want people to respect your opinion, respect others opinions.[/QUOTE] I do, and my opinion is that if you have your opinion or image of a person changed because of what someone else did, you're very judgmental. I realise that seeing someone have sex with a dead family member could leave them with a nasty image, but your overall opinion of the dead person should not change because this incident would not affect them or who they were.
[QUOTE=Thaard;34433845]Wait until a loved one dies, and then come back to me. You'll see. I have a father that works as a cop, and all the time they have to put cases on the side/hold, to work on "bigger cases". Don't know how it is elsewhere, but almost everywhere I've seen, cops are underpaid.[/QUOTE] What do you mean I'll see? I'll see what? Are you implying that losing a loved one will make me change my mind on this whole subject? And I see what you mean about the police thing. But that's a problem on it's own isn't it? What I'm saying is, if sex with corpses was legalized, there'd be less cases for the police to keep up with. [QUOTE]Yea, but for me it would be much worse. If you treasure a piece of jewelry more than the corpse of your loved ones, you should seriously check yourself.[/QUOTE] Aye, that makes sense, as there's a lot of emotional attachment to the corpse. But it could still be considered just an especially bad case of robbery. [QUOTE]You should counter with your own opinions, instead of spouting pre written text from links you've found on a website. Just saying this and that is a fallacy whilst pointing to links, makes you kind of a douche. It would be like me posting words from a thesaurus, just to make it like I'm intellectually superior to you.[/QUOTE] Well, I don't have a clear opinion on this, and that's why I'm getting tired of hearing fallacious arguments in discussions. If people didn't make fallacious arguments, then we'd have a real debate with truthful arguments. It wouldn't work if I just countered with my own opinions, because for example, when you're being accused of being a sociopath, your opinion won't do anything, you have to point out why the statement is wrong. I guess I see what you mean about coming off as trying to sound intellectually superior. Believe it or not, but I didn't intend to do that. Truth be told, I don't actually know why a fallacy is wrong. I mean, it feels like common sense to me. I think it gets pretty weird to talk about because if you want to explain why a fallacy is wrong, you have to get all technical about what an argument is and when an argument is a fallacy. I mean, take the ad hominem: [quote] 1. Person A makes claim X. 2. Person B makes an attack on person A. 3. Therefore A's claim is false. [/quote] I mean, it's just obvious that Person B doesn't prove A's claim wrong just by attacking his character. But how would I say that? If someone makes such a faulty reasoning, wouldn't you say that it makes sense to point out that it's a fallacy? And I did also write my own take on it, I just linked to the fallacies to support it and so people could read what I was talking about. [QUOTE]Another thing you could consider, is if a famous movie star died, and suddenly scores of graverobbers would dig up the grave and sell the corpse to some highest bidding corpsefucker. The whole thing about legalizing something as taboo as necrophilia isn't as "black & white" as people think it is.[/QUOTE] That's another strange strange scenario you're making there. But I guess you have a point. But again, grave robbing could very much still be illegal. I agree with a previous statement that if it was legalized, it'd be when people don't think of it the same way. I don't think legalizing it would make all that stuff just suddenly happen. I mean there'd still be ways to not be affected by it, for example by being buried or cremated. Or, if you take the hard-core stance, even a corpse market for "corpsefuckers" would be totally fine seeing as corpses are just objects. But I'd still contend that corpses are the property of the relatives.
I could actually not care if someone has sex with a corpse provided that that the deceased had written that it will be okay to have sex with it after death. Other than that it shouldn't be legal since you would be grave digging.
Sherow, how about you actually provide your own opinions on the matter instead of scrutinising other people's arguments in order to show off? Despite what you think you aren't bringing anything to the debate.
itt: people aren't offended by corpse-fucking but are offended when someone pees on a grave make up your minds [editline]28th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Jasun;34434370]Sherow, how about you actually provide your own opinions on the matter instead of scrutinising other people's arguments in order to show off? Despite what you think you aren't bringing anything to the debate.[/QUOTE] neither are you
[QUOTE=SystemGS;34434472]itt: people aren't offended by corpse-fucking but are offended when someone pees on a grave make up your minds [editline]28th January 2012[/editline] neither are you[/QUOTE] Neither are you.
[QUOTE=Thaard;34434509]Neither are you.[/QUOTE] actually he just brought up the fact that necrophilia supporters have a double standard? epic fail.
Okay, my opinion is that corpses are like objects. Having sex with a corpse is a lot like having sex with a statue or a rock. The difference is that people will have strong emotions towards the body, and will not approve of it if someone has sex with it. So, I think when people are talking about respecting the dead, they're really talking about respecting the people who are related to the person who is dead. But I do think that has some merit. So I guess my opinion is that sex with corpses should be allowed if the person has somehow consented to it before the death. Maybe if there's no relatives, and maybe just if the corpse isn't buried or cremated. I'm not sure actually, that's why I want to hear people's opinions, and why I challenge their ideas when they bring cliche ideas to the table like when they say a corpse cannot consent. That argument has been used time and time again, but it doesn't work on it's own because otherwise it would apply to rocks and dolls as well. So pointing out fallacies makes people come up with better arguments, thus getting closer to the truth. I'm sorry if it seems like I'm just trying to show off, my actual feelings as I started posting in this thread was that I felt I recognized a lot of fallacies, to the point where I actually found it a little funny. So I began seeing it as a "spot the fallacy" challenge for myself. I don't see how my way of posting is any different from a normal counter argument, though. I mean, that's how you argue. One person puts forward an argument, and then there can be a counter argument. To your first post, where you asked the question about screwing somebody's mum at a funeral, I could have simply said that the OP's claim didn't have to include screwing somebody's mum at a funeral. But instead I decided to just simply say that it was a straw man argument. How is it any different? The point in both ways was to say that it was making the OP seem like it was saying something it didn't necessarily say. You probably have a point here, but to be honest from my perspective it feels like you're just saying [I]"Don't counter my arguments!"[/I] [editline]28th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=SystemGS;34434472]itt: people aren't offended by corpse-fucking but are offended when someone pees on a grave make up your minds[/quote] I don't remember anyone mentioning peeing on a grave?
[QUOTE=Borat19981029;34434594]actually he just brought up the fact that necrophilia supporters have a double standard? epic fail.[/QUOTE] Omglol u maaad XDXD! Posting "make up your minds" really helps a debate!
But.. it kind of does. If there's a double standard somewhere, then I think that is quite relevant to point out. If a thief supports the idea of executing thieves, but doesn't think it applies to himself, wouldn't it be relevant to point it out to him that he has a double standard?
I don't see patriarch having that double-standard. He has no problems with it.
I didn't see any double standard either, but if SystemGG has spotted one, it'd be relevant to point it out. Which is why I would like him to point it out... Obviously, it doesn't make any sense to point out a double standard if there is none. But if I or Patriarch are throwing around double standards without knowing it, then I think it is obvious that pointing it out would help the debate.
Sherow you shouldn't have ever even posted about those fallacies. Now the thread is getting derailed.
I don't have any well endowed things on me, so when I pass I probably won't be used for necrophilia. For completely being on topic, I think it's just morally wrong, you need to have some respect for the dead.
sure why not
This is stupid.. Necrophilia IS stupid. Why do we even have such a thing?
[QUOTE=Patriarch;34434006]As I have previously stated, a dead body is not representitive of the personallity of the now-dead person, so I really do think that you have to be very judgemental to have your opinion of the person altered because of what someone else did.[/QUOTE] That wasn't my point, but how nice of you to assume the worst.
[QUOTE=.FLAP.JACK.DAN.;34434811]Sherow you shouldn't have ever even posted about those fallacies. Now the thread is getting derailed.[/QUOTE] Oh dear, me posting about red herrings ended up acting like a red herring. Weird. Maybe there should be a thread about fallacies, as I don't really think my understanding of them is that good. It's easy enough to spot an ad hominem attack, but it's not always as easy to spot the others. About the thread derailing, I'm getting confused by it. It seems to me like there's now a focus on arguing about whether this or that way of arguing [i]"brings something to the debate"[/i]. Pretty interesting, actually. I'd say anything that gets us closer to the truth brings something to the debate, but it seems like Thaard and Jasun are implying that counter arguments, or at least some types of counter arguments, don't help the debate. As if the only way to debate is to just post our opinions and then move on.
If somebody was screwing the body of a loved one, i would beat the shit out of them. It is wrong. In other words OP wants to screw dead bodies without being frowned upon.
Religions
nothing should be morally permissible
No, that's just wrong in so many ways.
Necrophilia is disgusting. I have no idea why anyone would ever want to have sex with a dead person.
I'd only find it acceptable if for say, a wife says her husband is allowed to have sex with her dead body after she dies. In that case, it's basically consensual and I see nothing wrong with people doing stuff to each other with permission, doesn't really affect anyone else (dead or not). Chances are though people aren't going to be handing out invitations for others to pleasure themselves with their dead body, close friend/partner or not. With that said, in what kind of situation would you really find someone wanting to fuck a corpse? To me, it's comparable to "sticking your dick into a car exhaust pipe should be morally acceptable"
[QUOTE=I be da best;34439793]Necrophilia is disgusting. I have no idea why anyone would ever want to have sex with a dead person.[/QUOTE] This.
Morally you can do anything if you consider everything an object.
Since morals are generally personal to the individual, I think it's fairly ridiculous to try and dictate to someone what they should or should not find morally permissible.
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