• Necrophilia Should be Morally Permissible
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Well, if it ends up causing harm to someone, such as the deceased's family, then of course not. However, a corpse is an object, like a toaster or a TV. If everyone involved is ok(which won't happen anytime soon, but hypothetically speaking), I don't see anything wrong with that. On a more personal level, that's nasty bro.
[QUOTE=.FLAP.JACK.DAN.;34434811]Sherow you shouldn't have ever even posted about those fallacies. Now the thread is getting derailed.[/QUOTE] We're still discussing whether it's morally right/wrong, but now we're also trying hard to figure out why it is so. Posting fallacies doesn't get us anywhere
[QUOTE=iFail;34444275]Well, if it ends up causing harm to someone, such as the deceased's family, then of course not. However, a corpse is an object, like a toaster or a TV. If everyone involved is ok(which won't happen anytime soon, but hypothetically speaking), I don't see anything wrong with that. On a more personal level, that's nasty bro.[/QUOTE] The corpse is the property of the former owner, if they don't say you can fuck it, you can't fuck it simple as.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;34444530]The corpse is the property of the former owner, if they don't say you can fuck it, you can't fuck it simple as.[/QUOTE] Yes, but that person is now dead, so the corpse is really an object, which can neither say yes or no. If the body isn't the property of someone else, then you don't really need permision to have sex with it.
The only way I can see it as morally alright is if the person who died said they wouldn't mind their corpse being screwed or something. Other than that, it is disgusting and disrespectful.
On a basic term you are pretty much raping that person, dead or alive they didn't give you permission to crack open their coffin and humping their rotting skeleton.
[QUOTE=Patriarch;34444643]Yes, but that person is now dead, so the corpse is really an object, which can neither say yes or no. If the body isn't the property of someone else, then you don't really need permision to have sex with it.[/QUOTE] Because how dare we show respect to the deceased, eh?
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;34444054]Since morals are generally personal to the individual, I think it's fairly ridiculous to try and dictate to someone what they should or should not find morally permissible.[/QUOTE] What is the point of morals if anyone can have their own set of morals that conflict with others? And what you said is hilarious because we are actually talking about having sex with a fucking corpse.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;34444848]Because how dare we show respect to the deceased, eh?[/QUOTE] Consider the corpse the (former) property of the deceased, he lived in the body and now that he's gone, it remains, as part of his estate. If he said "yes you can fuck with my corpse", and his family is somehow okay with that, then yeah. His body is basically property and should be treated as such. Respect to the deceased ultimately comes down to what they wanted.
It would be insulting and fucking disgraceful if somebody came and had sex with my dead body, come on people, its just not right. You can't play it off as 'oh its dead, it doesn't belong to anybody' because its a human being not a object you can just own and do whatever you want with, if it did belong to somebody it would be the family too. That family who just experienced another member die and had to go through a terrible time being at the funeral and trying to recover. And you would take this terrible moment in family history and ruin it all because you wanted a quick handjob from a dead body. Anybody who would even consider that is a monster.
[QUOTE=Nemisis116;34445237]It would be insulting and fucking disgraceful if somebody came and had sex with my dead body, come on people, its just not right. You can't play it off as 'oh its dead, it doesn't belong to anybody' because its a human being not a object you can just own and do whatever you want with, if it did belong to somebody it would be the family too. That family who just experienced another member die and had to go through a terrible time being at the funeral and trying to recover. And you would take this terrible moment in family history and ruin it all because you wanted a quick handjob from a dead body. Anybody who would even consider that is a monster.[/QUOTE] I don't agree with this whole "it's a human" thing. It's a corpse. It's inanimate, as much as a stuffed moose or a bear rug. It does belong to the family or whatever. I'm not saying "Yeah, dig up random corpses and fuck them", but this thread is about whether it's morally permissible [I]at all[/I], not if it's likely to be right, just if it [I]could[/I] be okay.
I don't personally have much to say on the matter, however, MichiganGhoul from the NecroErotic brings up many good points you guys might want to read about. [URL="http://web.archive.org/web/20060303082036/http://home.earthlink.net/~john30/public.html/faq.htm"]Necrophilia FAQ[/URL] [URL="http://web.archive.org/web/20051219083655/http://home.earthlink.net/~john30/public.html/normal.htm"] "Do you consider this normal?"[/URL] [URL="http://web.archive.org/web/20061028103053/http://home.earthlink.net/~john30/public.html/principles.htm"]Necrophilic principles[/URL] And some more, found on the [URL="http://web.archive.org/web/20051207170655/http://home.earthlink.net/~john30/public.html/"]homepage[/URL]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGqIlNo1X6Y[/media] obligatory
What does that mean, morally permissible? Is there some sort of written book full of morals, and should there be a line in there that says "Go ahead man, go fuck some dead people"? What exactly do you define as morally permissible? It seems to me that there's no consensus about that in this discussion, thus one guy reduces this statement to "is it possible to fuck corpses from a purely materialistic point of view" and the other guy is a deontologist who doesn't believe in the subjective/relative aspects of morals and just considers it "not done". So in short: what is morally permissible, can we reach a general agreement on what that would exactly mean? Otherwise this will go on for ages (as so many discussions that go on and on just because the participants have their own definition of the subject matter). [editline]29th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=carcarcargo;34444054]Since morals are generally personal to the individual, I think it's fairly ridiculous to try and dictate to someone what they should or should not find morally permissible.[/QUOTE] You can't deny that there are certain values that keep returning among certain groups of people.
Let's condone penetration on rotting genitals/anus NOT, that's disgusting
[QUOTE=Nekro;34445640]I don't personally have much to say on the matter, however, MichiganGhoul from the NecroErotic brings up many good points you guys might want to read about. [URL="http://web.archive.org/web/20060303082036/http://home.earthlink.net/~john30/public.html/faq.htm"]Necrophilia FAQ[/URL] [URL="http://web.archive.org/web/20051219083655/http://home.earthlink.net/~john30/public.html/normal.htm"] "Do you consider this normal?"[/URL] [URL="http://web.archive.org/web/20061028103053/http://home.earthlink.net/~john30/public.html/principles.htm"]Necrophilic principles[/URL] And some more, found on the [URL="http://web.archive.org/web/20051207170655/http://home.earthlink.net/~john30/public.html/"]homepage[/URL][/QUOTE] [url]http://web.archive.org/web/20060812215901/http://home.earthlink.net/~john30/public.html/viva.htm[/url] How high was this guy when he wrote this shit?
i love the feeling of maggot pussy [highlight](User was banned for this post ("This is not debate" - JohnnyMo1))[/highlight]
I don't think that necrophilia is wrong in itself, but I think that a person's corpse is the last thing that they should have control over, the only real thing they still own after they die according to their wishes while they lived. Regardless, if someone says, "Let necrophiliacs fuck my corpse all they want when I die" in their will, then so be it.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;34446509]I don't think that necrophilia is wrong in itself, but I think that a person's corpse is the last thing that they should have control over, the only real thing they still own after they die according to their wishes while they lived. Regardless, if someone says, "Let necrophiliacs fuck my corpse all they want when I die" in their will, then so be it.[/QUOTE] I agree that a person should be allowed to choose what happens to them in death before they die, unless it's discovered that their body can be put to better use. I'm all for freedom of rights, but a body is an object, not a person. What happens to a corpse no longer affects the personality that used to inhabit it.
It starts getting wrong when they run into a graveyard and start molesting random corpses for no real reason other than 'I was horny' There is a fine line with necrophilia, there's thinking about bodies and then there's rape. Are necrophiliacs into zombies?
[QUOTE=Patriarch;34446693]I agree that a person should be allowed to choose what happens to them in death before they die, unless it's discovered that their body can be put to better use. I'm all for freedom of rights, but a body is an object, not a person. What happens to a corpse no longer affects the personality that used to inhabit it.[/QUOTE] A body is the one thing a person should have full control over what happens when they die, it is pretty much their most personal possession and no one should be able to say what happens to it when they die unless it poses a risk to other (like asking to have it left in the street and become diseased.)
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;34447486]A body is the one thing a person should have full control over what happens when they die, it is pretty much their most personal possession and no one should be able to say what happens to it when they die unless it poses a risk to other (like asking to have it left in the street and become diseased.)[/QUOTE] But they're dead, and when they're dead, they no longer know, or care about, what you're doing to their body.
No, it isnt, noir will it ever be, its one of the most disgusting vile things you can do.
What benefits could you get out of this? It's just disgusting.
[QUOTE=Patriarch;34447509]But they're dead, and when they're dead, they no longer know, or care about, what you're doing to their body.[/QUOTE] (Since this question is partially similar to the human remains thread) Why should we stop at letting people have sex with corpses regardless of the person's last wishes? Why not skin them and tan their hides into leather, or make a real-world version of soylent green (imagine how many people you could feed with human flesh!) Once we convert a human body into a mere object, then there's no real ethical limit to what we can extract from them.
I see your point, but it's kinda like the idea of artificial population control, you can't pitch this to people and have a resonable discussion because they'll freak out. Especially with necrophilia, consider how burned into our brains the idea of afterlife, ghosts and ancestral connections is. So it doesn't matter if it technically doesn't hurt anyone, you're not gonna convince the mum of your crush that died in a car accident to let you fuck her corpse. Also, it is pretty disgusting from a medical standpoint. But I agree from a distance, respect for the dead is superstition, but I can't and don't want to overcome mine, so I won't expect anyone else to.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;34447723] Once we convert a human body into a mere object, then there's no real ethical limit to what we can extract from them.[/QUOTE] Pretty much.
[QUOTE=Patriarch;34447509]But they're dead, and when they're dead, they no longer know, or care about, what you're doing to their body.[/QUOTE] Some people spend their entire lives trying to build a legacy that will last beyond their death, so yes to some people what happens after their death does matter to them and since it's their body, they can decide what you can and cannot do with their body, no one beyond them have any right over what happens to and going against that by raping them while they're dead should damn well be illegal, assuming they didn't say people could have sex with their corpse in their will.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;34450362]Some people spend their entire lives trying to build a legacy that will last beyond their death, so yes to some people what happens after their death does matter to them and since it's their body, they can decide what you can and cannot do with their body, no one beyond them have any right over what happens to and going against that by raping them while they're dead should damn well be illegal, assuming they didn't say people could have sex with their corpse in their will.[/QUOTE] Memory of people is important, as that is how we will remember and view them. No one should purposely sully our memory of a person without good reason. The body though is not related to the memory of the person.
[QUOTE=Patriarch;34450494]Memory of people is important, as that is how we will remember and view them. No one should purposely sully our memory of a person without good reason. The body though is not related to the memory of the person.[/QUOTE] It is at a funeral and having your corpse raped will generally tarnish that image. Regardless of that though, the body is the former residents property and they should be able to choose what happens to it after they die, much like how they can choose what happens to their assets.
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