[QUOTE=carcarcargo;34450525]It is at a funeral and having your corpse raped will generally tarnish that image. Regardless of that though, the body is the former residents property and they should be able to choose what happens to it after they die, much like how they can choose what happens to their assets.[/QUOTE]
You would have to be a very judgemental person to have your view of a person changed because of what someone else did.
As for it being property, that's a good point. When a person writes a will, they're saying "I hand my property over to so-so, and as such, it is now their property." If someone were to do that with their body, I wouldn't argue what the person who got it wanted to do with it, as it is now their property.
[QUOTE=Patriarch;34450609]You would have to be a very judgemental person to have your view of a person changed because of what someone else did.
As for it being property, that's a good point. When a person writes a will, they're saying "I hand my property over to so-so, and as such, it is now their property." If someone were to do that with their body, I wouldn't argue what the person who got it wanted to do with it, as it is now their property.[/QUOTE]
Unless they specifically state that the body is now their property, it is not that persons property, if the will does not state that someone can have sex with it i.e consenting, then they should not be allowed to.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;34450776]Unless they specifically state that the body is now their property, it is not that persons property, if the will does not state that someone can have sex with it i.e consenting, then they should not be allowed to.[/QUOTE]
I would argue that if they don't specifically states that, in death, their body should be given to a person or group, then it basically becomes an object without an owner, and is therefore, technically, up for grabs.
[QUOTE=Patriarch;34450897]I would argue that if they don't specifically states that, in death, their body should be given to a person or group, then it basically becomes an object without an owner, and is therefore, technically, up for grabs.[/QUOTE]
It's fucking property, it's my god damn body and if I don't say you can have sex with it in my will, you damn well have no right to have sex with it. If my will says I want to be cremated then it gets cremated. You should only be allowed to able to do what the persons says you can with their body, unless what they say goes against the law in which it should be disposed of in a respectful manner.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;34450981]It's fucking property, it's my god damn body and if I don't say you can have sex with it in my will, you damn well have no right to have sex with it. If my will says I want to be cremated then it gets cremated. You should only be allowed to able to do what the persons says you can with their body, unless what they say goes against the law in which it should be disposed of in a respectful manner.[/QUOTE]
Once you die, it's no longer your property, as you cannot claim ownership of it.
I'm all for doing what a person says, before death, they want done with their body, but if that doesn't happen, oh well, they're dead, they no longer care. If they want the best result, they should turn their body into someone as their property, and leave them instructions as to what they want done with it.
[QUOTE=Patriarch;34451051]Once you die, it's no longer your property, as you cannot claim ownership of it.
I'm all for doing what a person says, before death, they want done with their body, but if that doesn't happen, oh well, they're dead, they no longer care. [B]If they want the best result, they should turn their body into someone as their property, and leave them instructions as to what they want done with it.[/B][/QUOTE]
Uhh you realize that's kind of done already with next of kin? Or if none can be found or specifically noted as not being part of the will, then it passes to those that are mentioned in the will or last requests?
What you're trying to suggest is a morgue should be a new orgiastic free-for-all where necrophiliacs combat with the cannibals and surgeons over the next shipment of fresh meat.
[QUOTE=Patriarch;34451051]Once you die, it's no longer your property, as you cannot claim ownership of it.
I'm all for doing what a person says, before death, they want done with their body, but if that doesn't happen, oh well, they're dead, they no longer care. If they want the best result, they should turn their body into someone as their property, and leave them instructions as to what they want done with it.[/QUOTE]
I would disagree and say that after I die my body is very much my property. If they don't put anything down in their will then their body should simply disposed of in a respectful manner so as not to become diseased.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;34451403]What you're trying to suggest is a morgue should be a new orgiastic free-for-all where necrophiliacs combat with the cannibals and surgeons over the next shipment of fresh meat.[/QUOTE]
I'd watch that.
You're having sex with a dead body. How exactly could that be considered morally permissible by ANY form of morality?
[QUOTE=Patriarch;34432770]That's memory of them, and I will agree that the memory of people is important, because it's related to how we view them. Going up to a grieving widow and saying "Your husband sucked dick in the bathroom of various bars" would be an awful thing to do, because the person who said it would be trying to deframe the image we have of the dead man with a lie. (I realise that I never specificed that it was a lie, but it was.)
But a body is basically an object, or a person who can no longer think or act. People are far too anal when it comes to bodies, especially in terms of "respecting" them, which is really just superstition. I don't care what happens to my body when I die, because it won't really affect the memory people hold of me.[/QUOTE]
Thing is, it doesn't matter what you think about your body. In the end it only matters to those alive who remember you, and im quite certain they wouldn't be ok with some guy fucking your body up the ass just to satisfy his own disgusting fetish.
On a similar subject though, due to related thread by the op, im pretty certain he would be ok with fucking his dead relatives. [img]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-ohdear.png[/img]
I suppose if you receive consent from the person prior to their death I don't see why not. However no consciousness does not mean consent is given. It's like rape, since the person is dead they cannot consent to acts of fornication upon themselves.
I don't know why on earth you'd want to fuck a corpse anyway, shits fucked up yo.
Should be illegal unless the person clearly expressed consent and gave that right to the person in his/her will.
Even then, it's a little iffy because a corpse has no consciousness and thus can't really consent.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;34454072]You're having sex with a dead body. How exactly could that be considered morally permissible by ANY form of morality?[/QUOTE]
There are some strange people in the world.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;34454072]You're having sex with a dead body. How exactly could that be considered morally permissible by ANY form of morality?[/QUOTE]
Morality isn't entirely objective. If you were born into a society where corpse-fucking were some kind of coming-of-age ceremony you would grow up thinking it was a-okay.
Before facepunch can decide if it is wrong or not they have to use big words they learned today in their english class. Then they will have to say it is ok just go against the mold of normal.
How does a dead body give you a boner, seriously.
They are all grey and probably FULL of maggots and flies, skin tearing away showing the skeleton, eyeballs dried up, no blood pumping around so they can't get a boner.
Not to mention the smell of death.
Mind is full of fuck.
Seems like smartass Sherowxx abandoned this thread...
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[QUOTE=Nemisis116;34463116]How does a dead body give you a boner, seriously.
They are all grey and probably FULL of maggots and flies, skin tearing away showing the skeleton, eyeballs dried up, no blood pumping around so they can't get a boner.
Not to mention the smell of death.
Mind is full of fuck.[/QUOTE]
Nobody said something about a corpse that's been decomposing for a few weeks :v:
I'm still here, I'm sorry I've come off as a 'smartass' to you :/ But there's no need to be rude.
Also, I guess I just agree with the video posted above. It seems like a silly thing, in a sort of [I]"how the hell would that really be implemented?"[/I] but just a neat checkbox somewhere you could check for [I]"do whatever the hell you want with me when I'm dead"[/I] seems good.
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Actually, I think this also relates to my stance on all other things sex-wise. The fact that there's a specific hatred towards necrophilia is what irks me, not that there's a hatred towards people who would mess with a body.
I think people nowadays and in the past have had a strange view on sex, that in many cases makes sex into something that is much worse than anything else. Perhaps necrophilia should be seen as on the same level as grave robbery.
Indeed not morally permissible, and indeed not legal either, but it shouldn't be covered in taboo and an extreme hatred. Just throwing thoughts out now.
[QUOTE=kidwithsword;34460987]Morality isn't entirely objective. If you were born into a society where corpse-fucking were some kind of coming-of-age ceremony you would grow up thinking it was a-okay.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but what if you grew up in a society where that just wasn't ever mentioned, not frowned upon but not supported, I mean, the first time I ever heard of necrophilia was when I was going through some random articles on wikipedia, I'd never heard "society" ever mention anything like this and still my first reaction was revulsion. Your argument is that people wouldn't see anything wrong with it if they grew up being told it was okay, well my argument is that if you don't influence them either way they'll for the most part say no.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;34465975]Your argument is that people wouldn't see anything wrong with it if they grew up being told it was okay, --[/QUOTE]
I think that's the root cause with many unnecessary things and traditions these days. I think it's a problem.
[QUOTE=Gekkosan;34466665]I think that's the root cause with many unnecessary things and traditions these days. I think it's a problem.[/QUOTE]
What's a problem? People behaving the way society dictates?
[QUOTE=Seith;34475565]What's a problem? People behaving the way society dictates?[/QUOTE]
The fact that people grow up being told some things are okay when they actually aren't, not always anyway.
It's a really complicated thing; families, and people who are shaped by family traditions. Or just people who are shaped into bad people thanks to their bad family. It IS a problem.
[QUOTE=Gekkosan;34477003]The fact that people grow up being told some things are okay when they actually aren't, not always anyway.
It's a really complicated thing; families, and people who are shaped by family traditions. Or just people who are shaped into bad people thanks to their bad family. It IS a problem.[/QUOTE]
No it isn't a problem. That's how social norms and values are passed down and is pretty much the reason people understand that it isn't acceptable to go stomp on a strangers ballsack in the middle of the street. If the majority of people think necrophilia isn't ok then chances are it's going to remain that way for at least a long time.
[QUOTE=TAU!;34425690]I think I wanna be cremated, so no worries.[/QUOTE]
I'm going to put your ashes on my penis.
To put it quite simply, the main problem with necrophilia is the effect it'd have on the deceased's family. The only way I could possibly see it "work" is if prior to death the person consented their body to be fucked by someone. It's still disgusting though if you ask me.
I'm going to be cremated and have my ashes scattered. Prior to that I wish to for nobody have intimate relations with my dead body.
So what happens if a zombie rapes someone what does that count as?
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;34427058]No, it really shouldn't be morally permissible. Non-consensual sex should never be.[/QUOTE]
What if you sign something like a donor card, saying you don't mind.
It's one of those things that's illegal for your own good, like Heroin.
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