The "Which camera is right for me?" thread V2 - Get a used Rebel
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press the Av button on the back and turn the dial
[editline]30th December 2011[/editline]
works in manual when you're not in live view too
[QUOTE=cueballv2themax;33971670]press the Av button on the back and turn the dial
[editline]30th December 2011[/editline]
works in manual when you're not in live view too[/QUOTE]
Awesome, I'm so happy to finally know this!
If the NEX line had some really good lenses it would be incredible. Seriously impressed with the results I've seen, some people claim its IQ can match that of a 7D/D7000. Debatable but its just really good I'd say. I can deal with learning new controls and clicky shutter has been fixed. Defiantly gonna look into one as soon as I can. Cheers cueballs!
[QUOTE=MisterM;33948721]Any NEX in particular? My problem with the other systems is that they release a ton of them so I don't really know what to look for. I'll try out as much as I can before making a decision. [/QUOTE]
The nex 5 and nex 3 cameras will offer you exactly the same image quality (same with the nex c3 and nex 5n). They only differ in build quality and video (as well as the 5 and 5N having infrared receiver for remotes). The nex 5N will have better image quality than the 5 by a slight margin due to a higher quality 16.2 mp sensor (same one in the d7000 actually, though obviously processing is different). 5N and C3 has iso 100-25600 vs the 5 and 3 having 200-12800. But either way I would suggest getting the pancake prime lens, it's a good lens for short to medium ranges, but it's too wide to be really sharp at landscapes.
[QUOTE=Trogdon;33998919]The nex 5 and nex 3 cameras will offer you exactly the same image quality (same with the nex c3 and nex 5n). They only differ in build quality and video (as well as the 5 and 5N having infrared receiver for remotes). The nex 5N will have better image quality than the 5 by a slight margin due to a higher quality 16.2 mp sensor (same one in the d7000 actually, though obviously processing is different). 5N and C3 has iso 100-25600 vs the 5 and 3 having 200-12800. But either way I would suggest getting the pancake prime lens, it's a good lens for short to medium ranges, but it's too wide to be really sharp at landscapes.[/QUOTE]
That explains it, had a thought it was a similar sensor. You know, I thought about getting an adaptor to use other lenses on it because the NEX lenses line is currently 3, and soon to be 6. Problem with an adaptor as far as I've found is its completely manual. All depends on what I find in the shop.
buy an adapter. it's like $30, you won't regret it at all trust me. shooting those guys manual is where they really shine. you don't even have to do completely manual, i shoot on aperture priority most of the time with iso on auto, works very well for me. i've taken a few decent pics with my 16mm, but nothing compared to what i have shot with my adapted lenses.
[QUOTE=Trogdon;34007113]buy an adapter. it's like $30, you won't regret it at all trust me. shooting those guys manual is where they really shine. you don't even have to do completely manual, i shoot on aperture priority most of the time with iso on auto, works very well for me. i've taken a few decent pics with my 16mm, but nothing compared to what i have shot with my adapted lenses.[/QUOTE]
No autofocus is a bit of a neyy though. Are Sony Alpha lenses regarded as good? compared to Nikkor and Canon?
Well you should at least try it. I promise it's really not that hard, I don't even use autofocus on other DSLR cameras now. With the 7x zoom and focus peaking you will rarely get out of focus pictures if you know what you are doing.
Sony Alpha lenses are good, but for good autofocus you will need the adapter with the mirror in it, which is like $400. The other adapter doesn't support autofocus for most of the lenses, and is still using them to do contrast detection when they normally do phase, making their focus speed 2-7 seconds and at that point making manual focus preferred.
I would recommend Minolta lenses over Sony's lenses, as they are generally pretty cheap and very high quality. The Minolta 50mm f1.7 lens goes for around $100, and it is a great lens that produces incredibly good colors. Got mine for $35 at goodwill, though it has severe oil problems so I can only shoot wide open.
[QUOTE=Trogdon;34015476]Well you should at least try it. I promise it's really not that hard, I don't even use autofocus on other DSLR cameras now. With the 7x zoom and focus peaking you will rarely get out of focus pictures if you know what you are doing.
Sony Alpha lenses are good, but for good autofocus you will need the adapter with the mirror in it, which is like $400. The other adapter doesn't support autofocus for most of the lenses, and is still using them to do contrast detection when they normally do phase, making their focus speed 2-7 seconds and at that point making manual focus preferred.
I would recommend Minolta lenses over Sony's lenses, as they are generally pretty cheap and very high quality. The Minolta 50mm f1.7 lens goes for around $100, and it is a great lens that produces incredibly good colors. Got mine for $35 at goodwill, though it has severe oil problems so I can only shoot wide open.[/QUOTE]
Alright I'll give it a shot if I buy a NEX! Focus peaking is a good point, do you find it to be extremely accurate? I saw the Sony branded adapter and I'm not paying £200 for that. So any cheap E to A mount will the trick? nothing special I should look out for? I saw one video where the guy said to tighten the screws after a while because they become lose and could cause your lens to fall off!
Thanks for the recommendation! Will have a look now. Apparently Sony are going to pump out a lot more NEX related gear than originally planned due to the unexpected success of the series, which is very good to hear. How often do you use the video mode? It seems a good bit better than what my D7000 is capable of.
focus peaking is awesome. It is pretty incredibly accurate, to the point where you just use the zoom function and see red, take a picture and it will be in focus. The focus plane is easily visible with the peaking, so you can definitely see exactly where your focus covers. And yeah any cheap adapters work well, just something where you can adjust aperture on the dial. I use fotodiox adapters for my FD lenses, but if I were to get an A to E mount i'd just go with something cheap. I hope they put out more gear, I currently only own the 16mm pancake, planning on buying the zeiss 24mm within my lifetime lol. And I use the video mode fairly often just for shooting something, and the quality is pretty spectacular. I'm really impressed with the autofocus ability the kit lenses have with it, it's very accurate and completely silent. Adapted lenses are great for video as well. The 5n has 60p and 24p which my camera does not, which will make it great for youtube. Not quiet as good as the 7D, but I love the quality I get out of it and especially the versatility. I have lots of videos on my youtube using the video function.
my parents were talking about how high end digital viewfinder cameras are becoming more popular and i don't know if they're just being retarded or if people are shying away from DSLR's (probably just being retarded)
they are but they suck
Optical Viewfinders have less and less pros as OLED technology progresses and in some years we'll barely have any reason to buy a DSLR over a Mirrorless.
Can't stick to putting mirrors inside metal boxes forever man.
optical viewfinders don't give you as accurate information to what your final product will look like. When you have a mirrorless camera, what you see on your viewfinder or screen is much more like what you will get than a viewfinder.
Canon 1000d with a 18-55mm lens for £220 y/n?
[QUOTE=Parker;34029724]Canon 1000d with a 18-55mm lens for £220 y/n?[/QUOTE]
Is it the 18-55 with or without IS?(Image stabilization)
Don't know much about pricing over there, but it seems like a fair enough deal
yes that's pretty good
Ahh I'm excited, I'm buying the D5100 tomorrow.
Got a NikonD5100 and I use it to film mud truck races in FL, it is amazing though you need to get another lens for long range, the standard lens is only 55mm, My second lens is 55-200mm.
The focus is very loud on the standard lens (Maybe defective) and is a bit slow on the camera.
I may make a thread about the mud trucks later if anyone wants me to.
Just bought the D5100, it'll arrive on Friday.
TROGDON
Is the friggin Nex-5 controls fiddly as frig? That's my only concern which the NEX-7 seems to get right, but that's costs more than my D7000 which is silly. What shooting modes do you use? Aperture?
[QUOTE=MisterM;34051437]TROGDON
Is the friggin Nex-5 controls fiddly as frig? That's my only concern which the NEX-7 seems to get right, but that's costs more than my D7000 which is silly. What shooting modes do you use? Aperture?[/QUOTE]
At work I am constantly playing with the compact system's when I don't feel like doing anything and personally, I think the Sony has the best user interface compared to the Olympus, Panasonic, and Nikon's I have access to on a daily basis.
[QUOTE=Mysterio;34051489]At work I am constantly playing with the compact system's when I don't feel like doing anything and personally, I think the Sony has the best user interface compared to the Olympus, Panasonic, and Nikon's I have access to on a daily basis.[/QUOTE]
That's good to hear. Are you referring to the 5, 5-N and 7? or just one in particular?
[QUOTE=MisterM;34051536]That's good to hear. Are you referring to the 5, 5-N and 7? or just one in particular?[/QUOTE]
3, c3, 5k, and 5n have pretty much the same interface. It's super easy to find settings you would normally want to change except ISO, which I believe is hidden in some menu somewhere. I haven't gotten my hands on the 7 yet and my store probably won't carry it :(
[QUOTE=Mysterio;34051589]3, c3, 5k, and 5n have pretty much the same interface. It's super easy to find settings you would normally want to change except ISO, which I believe is hidden in some menu somewhere. I haven't gotten my hands on the 7 yet and my store probably won't carry it :([/QUOTE]
Changing ISO is a bit fiddly by the looks of it currently, tap a button when in manual mode to switch between aperture and shutter speed values which could take a bit of getting used to. I think what I should do is hold out for a new NEX camera that has controls similar to that of the NEX-7 but less of the price. Maybe even a price drop since the NEX-7 was due out in November.
[QUOTE=MisterM;34051711]Changing ISO is a bit fiddly by the looks of it currently, tap a button when in manual mode to switch between aperture and shutter speed values which could take a bit of getting used to. I think what I should do is hold out for a new NEX camera that has controls similar to that of the NEX-7 but less of the price. Maybe even a price drop since the NEX-7 was due out in November.[/QUOTE]
Sony churns these cameras out very fast; I would expect something like that within the next 6-10 months.
controls aren't too bad. they aren't great, but once you know what you want to do they are pretty solid. i leave it on A pretty much all the time with vivid style (contrast up 3, saturation up 3, sharpening up 2). Takes about 4 clicks to get to white balance or iso (though with my 16mm lens my lower soft key is set to iso), but the camera has good enough iso to leave it on auto and never worry about it.
since it was my first camera i got used to it pretty quick, still am much better at using it than any of the other cameras i've handled. the interface is pretty point and shoot friendly, but you will get used to it.
also the only useful scene mode is hand-held twilight, it's really fucking useful
[QUOTE=Trogdon;34051801]controls aren't too bad. they aren't great, but once you know what you want to do they are pretty solid. i leave it on A pretty much all the time with vivid style (contrast up 3, saturation up 3, sharpening up 2). Takes about 4 clicks to get to white balance or iso (though with my 16mm lens my lower soft key is set to iso), but the camera has good enough iso to leave it on auto and never worry about it.
since it was my first camera i got used to it pretty quick, still am much better at using it than any of the other cameras i've handled. the interface is pretty point and shoot friendly, but you will get used to it.
also the only useful scene mode is hand-held twilight, it's really fucking useful[/QUOTE]
Im surprised you leave the colors on vivid. Every Sony camera that I have been able to use is set to vivid by default and it makes the colors absolutely horrendous. This could be because of the lighting in my store, but I always find myself turning it off.
What do you guys feel needs improved, or just downright hate about the NEX cameras?
[QUOTE=MisterM;34052505]What do you guys feel needs improved, or just downright hate about the NEX cameras?[/QUOTE]
Mainly lens (image/glass, not build) quality, and price for me. Also I find them very uncomfortable to hold and use.
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