[QUOTE=Cam;32244121]I'm all for adaptation and personal growth, but "re-framing" yourself for a specific situation will inadvertently lead to problems. It's an especially bad idea in relationships, but still not advisable in trying to find a job.[/QUOTE]
Re-framing is the same thing as adapting . . You seem to think that I'm telling people to put on a facade. . In any situation, weather you're conscious of it or not, your behavior changes. . It's a misunderstood piece of advice. . You should instead tell people more directly. . Be confident, look the manager in the fucking eye and be assertive. .
Telling someone "Just be yourself" may mean a completely different thing to them.
[QUOTE=Hooky;32244227]You seem to think that I'm telling people to put on a facade. . [/QUOTE]
Yes, because that's what you're essentially saying.
You're saying that being truthful and honest is the wrong way to go, and that people should fake or "re-frame" themselves to meet whatever is required of them.
[QUOTE=Cam;32244306]Yes, because that's what you're essentially saying.
You're saying that being truthful and honest is the wrong way to go, and that people should fake or "re-frame" themselves to meet whatever is required of them.[/QUOTE]
What I am saying is that being yourself does not always work. Being truthful and honest is not always going to work for you. I know that you've been swallowing the same fairy tale that we've all been force fed for our entire lives but being yourself is not always going to work. If you want to believe that everyone is special and unique, continue. . But for some people out there, being themselves is not going to cut it. . Nobody is truly "themselves" anyway. Everyone is influenced by something.
It's not about putting on a facade or pretending. If you're in a job interview, you are selling yourself. If you are trying to get with a girl, you are selling yourself. Do you want to get the job, the girl or not?
Also, the reason why I am giving the girl example is this..
My entire life, up until I learned that they didn't know what they were talking about, my friends and my family told me to just "be yourself" with girls..
I never, ever, got laid because I was a naturally shy, caring, "nice guy" sort of dude. And finally once I was in a relationship, I was truthful , honest and nice to my girlfriend.. She dumped me (not even officially, she kept me hanging on.. that hurt) , and acted as if she never knew me afterwards. . I did absolutely nothing but good things for her. .
Then I began studying Evolutionary Psychology and learned a great deal on what makes us human.
I learned that most of the shit I have been told my entire life is bullshit..
I didn't change myself, but I changed my attitude and how I deal with other people.
[QUOTE=Hooky;32244437]What I am saying is that being yourself does not always work. Being truthful and honest is not always going to work for you. I know that you've been swallowing the same fairy tale that we've all been force fed for our entire lives but being yourself is not always going to work. If you want to believe that everyone is special and unique, continue. . But for some people out there, being themselves is not going to cut it. . Nobody is truly "themselves" anyway. Everyone is influenced by something.[/QUOTE]
you sound like a right pessimistic twat
(no offense)
[QUOTE=Hooky;32244437]What I am saying is that being yourself does not always work. Being truthful and honest is not always going to work for you. I know that you've been swallowing the same fairy tale that we've all been force fed for our entire lives but being yourself is not always going to work. If you want to believe that everyone is special and unique, continue. . But for some people out there, being themselves is not going to cut it. . Nobody is truly "themselves" anyway. Everyone is influenced by something.[/QUOTE]
What you said was that being yourself was the worst advice "in any situation", not in some situations.
You are right, for some people that might not cut it. In that case [I]they should better themselves[/I], instead of faking.
And yes, everyone is influenced by something. That's a natural process, we all adjust our behavior to our environment. That said, there's a difference between that [I]natural process[/I] and putting on a facade.
As I said before, "re-framing" yourself, putting on a facade, or whatever other term you want to come up with will inadvertently lead to problems.
[QUOTE=Bobie;32244493]you sound like a right pessimistic twat
(no offense)[/QUOTE]
Glad somebody said it.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IctBSH5a9Sw&list=FLK1pJP8BFPjVAEcOurp8Jrw&index=8[/media]
or apply like a human being and actually prove you need it
[QUOTE=Hooky;32244437]My entire life, up until I learned that they didn't know what they were talking about, my friends and my family told me to just "be yourself" with girls..
I never, ever, got laid because I was a naturally shy, caring, "nice guy" sort of dude. And finally once I was in a relationship, I was truthful , honest and nice to my girlfriend.. She dumped me[/QUOTE]
Don't base your advice to others seeking a job off your failure in relationships as a teen.
Ah, ignorance is bliss. . So true. .
I won't get any further into this argument . I am right and you are sadly wrong . Believe pretty lies, say I am a pessimist .
Lastly.
[B]Nature isn't fair[/B]
[QUOTE=Hooky;32244621]Ah, ignorance is bliss. . So true. .
I won't get any further into this argument . I am right and you are sadly wrong . Believe pretty lies, say I am a pessimist .
Lastly.
[B]Nature isn't fair[/B][/QUOTE]
That's the way, let the teenage angst flow out!
No but really, you're a twat.
[QUOTE=Hooky;32244621]Ah, ignorance is bliss. . So true. .
I won't get any further into this argument . I am right and you are sadly wrong . Believe pretty lies, say I am a pessimist .
Lastly.
[B]Nature isn't fair[/B][/QUOTE]
"I'm not listening, I'M NOT LISTENING, LAA LAA LAA LAA LAA LAA LAA LAA I CANT HEAR YOU"
But we can all agree on one thing.
Cam is a dip.
[img]http://content.screencast.com/users/SebMcMeb/folders/Jing/media/ff2e0538-7a64-4e61-9ef5-287ff6d2a478/2011-09-11_2055.png[/img]
Even Cam agrees that he's a dip. See? point proven.
[QUOTE=J!NX;32244667]"I'm not listening, I'M NOT LISTENING, LAA LAA LAA LAA LAA LAA LAA LAA I CANT HEAR YOU"
But we can all agree on one thing.
Cam is a dip.
[img]http://content.screencast.com/users/SebMcMeb/folders/Jing/media/ff2e0538-7a64-4e61-9ef5-287ff6d2a478/2011-09-11_2055.png[/img]
Even Cam agrees that he's a dip. See? point proven.[/QUOTE]
Well I can't go preaching honesty and then deny I'm a dip
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;32239473]make sure you mark "Caucasian" as your ethnicity
if you mark anything else they throw it in the garbage bin[/QUOTE]
unless you work at subway, they don't hire people unless English is their second language
Or you could just completely skip the prank call part and apply for the job like a normal person?
Better idea.
Dress up like the employees at the store and start working. When the manager comes up to you and asks what the fuck you're doing, ask him what the fuck they're doing you for not paying you the last year and a half.
Guaranteed instant paycheck. Or imprisonment.
:v:
What always happened to me before I finally got a job:
The employer: "So you have finished army?"
Me: "Thats not really your business."
The employer: "But you have done your duty to the society?
Me: "No- DOH!"
The Employer: "There´s the door..."
[QUOTE=Logic Studio;32248271]What always happened to me before I finally got a job:
"So you have finished your army?"
"Thats not really your business."
"But you have finished it?
"No- DOH!"
"There´s the door..."[/QUOTE]
what is an army?
[QUOTE=Logic Studio;32248271]What always happened to me before I finally got a job:
"So you have finished your army?"
"Thats not really your business."
"But you have finished it?
"No- DOH!"
"There´s the door..."[/QUOTE]
wat.
I had sex with the manager, doggy style, and still didn't get the job, I guess I feel dogged :/
You're a fucking idiot. And can't spell. Miss the smartness system.
Using this technique is dumb as fuck. If there's a place available, make a good impression and you'll get it.. rather than taking the easy way through it and cheating.
[QUOTE=Somebody_404;32248605]I had sex with the manager, doggy style, and still didn't get the job, I guess I feel dogged :/[/QUOTE]
trying too hard
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;32242677]Asking for sexual preference on an application form is a dick move... I guess the employer is the law though.[/QUOTE]
No they aren't. That's a discriminatory question everywhere in the first world, I highly doubt the UK is an exception.
Employers aren't even allowed to ask if you're male or female here
tried this, didn't work
please amend thread title to '50% success rate'
[QUOTE=Somebody_404;32248605]I had sex with the manager, doggy style, and still didn't get the job, I guess I feel dogged :/[/QUOTE]
[img]http://sae.tweek.us/static/images/emoticons/emot-downsrim.gif[/img]
1 success story doesn't make this system of applying for a job foolproof.
[QUOTE=Hooky;32244437]What I am saying is that being yourself does not always work. Being truthful and honest is not always going to work for you. I know that you've been swallowing the same fairy tale that we've all been force fed for our entire lives but being yourself is not always going to work. If you want to believe that everyone is special and unique, continue. . But for some people out there, being themselves is not going to cut it. . Nobody is truly "themselves" anyway. Everyone is influenced by something.
It's not about putting on a facade or pretending. If you're in a job interview, you are selling yourself. If you are trying to get with a girl, you are selling yourself. Do you want to get the job, the girl or not?
Also, the reason why I am giving the girl example is this..
My entire life, up until I learned that they didn't know what they were talking about, my friends and my family told me to just "be yourself" with girls..
I never, ever, got laid because I was a naturally shy, caring, "nice guy" sort of dude. And finally once I was in a relationship, I was truthful , honest and nice to my girlfriend.. She dumped me (not even officially, she kept me hanging on.. that hurt) , and acted as if she never knew me afterwards. . I did absolutely nothing but good things for her. .
Then I began studying Evolutionary Psychology and learned a great deal on what makes us human.
I learned that most of the shit I have been told my entire life is bullshit..
I didn't change myself, but I changed my attitude and how I deal with other people.[/QUOTE]
Oh please
The reason you got dumped was because you were an insecure person who had no real identity or confidence in oneself and was easy to pushover, and you dated a skank. If you would have been smart and actually looked into the root of the problem you might have seen and adressed things
Seeing as your life goal is to now be some kind of hard ass that you learned from a divine moment of inspiration while reading a book on Evolutionary Psychology, don't be suprised when you grow up and mature a little and find that you are running into similar life/relationship situations.
I'm speaking from dating and life experience that I absolutely loathe being around insincere people who have "surrogate" identities. Many intelligent and mature people you'll find also share the same sentiments.
[QUOTE=KorJax;32252709]Oh please
The reason you got dumped was because you were an insecure person who had no real identity or confidence in oneself and was easy to pushover, and you dated a skank. If you would have been smart and actually looked into the root of the problem you might have seen and adressed things
Seeing as your life goal is to now be some kind of hard ass that you learned from a divine moment of inspiration while reading a book on Evolutionary Psychology, don't be suprised when you grow up and mature a little and find that you are running into similar life/relationship situations.
I'm speaking from dating and life experience that I absolutely loathe being around insincere people who have "surrogate" identities. Many intelligent and mature people you'll find also share the same sentiments.[/QUOTE]
I agree completely but my goal in life is not to be a hard ass (ha!) .
I was insecure, and I didn't have much confidence. . Her friend and her had a crush on me .. her friend told me one night, when I stupidly brought her into things, that they liked me because I was "awesomely myself."
I don't have a surrogate identity . I'm not talking about putting on a facade. . I'm saying that " Just be yourself " Is often misunderstood and can be interpreted differently depending on the person.
I think I'll stick to applying normally. You know, like a valuable, upright member of society.
[QUOTE=Hooky;32252834]I agree completely but my goal in life is not to be a hard ass (ha!) .
I was insecure, and I didn't have much confidence. . Her friend and her had a crush on me .. her friend told me one night, when I stupidly brought her into things, that they liked me because I was "awesomely myself."
I don't have a surrogate identity . I'm not talking about putting on a facade. . I'm saying that " Just be yourself " Is often misunderstood and can be interpreted differently depending on the person.[/QUOTE]
Your talking rubbish, stop it!
[QUOTE=Bang2Rights;32253150]Your talking rubbish, stop it![/QUOTE]
I'm also a race car driver.
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