[QUOTE=/B/rother;42123386]i know a dude who hadn't done any kind of drugs, but alcohol, and he went straight to shooting up h.[/QUOTE]
....Did he OD?
Try speed and then use valium for the come down
[QUOTE=barrab;42083682]rehab
(in all seriousness, do ketamine)[/QUOTE]
YES. i agree with this, its so perfect and makes everything so beautiful. if you only snort a little thin line, it's like being stoned in a weird way
MDMA is fucking wonderful and is supposed to be really safe. Might be worth a go next.
[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;42143043]MDMA is fucking wonderful [b]and is supposed to be really safe[/b]. Might be worth a go next.[/QUOTE]
IF you test your pills/powder/crystals.
I'm speaking from my own experience. This is my story, not necessarily anybody else's nor am I suggesting it's yours. I'm 18 and a month old.
Ask yourself why you are wondering what drug you shall try next?
Maybe even, ask yourself why you smoke in the first place? I know my early drug use was an attempt to escape feelings I had about myself and delusions that I was less-than and defective because of some childhood diagnosis.
I'm not advocating the gateway theory. I think it's bullshit. It doesn't matter if you start with weed, alcohol, fucking sniffing gasoline, its the feelings behind it that determine if you feel like fiending more.
I assume your interest in other drugs is partly fueled by your boredom with weed. That was the case with me when I was 16. Tons of psychedelics for a few months during Summer, then stopped after using mushrooms, DMT, LSD, 25i, 25c and 2c-b countless times and not having enough time to trip and "learn more about myself" (this was my excuse. I was actually just escaping my current self with these grandiose thoughts), I stopped that and went back with weed. It grew old, fast. I wouldn't just smoke a few days a week, I'd smoke at least 5 times a day.
Then I heard about opiates. I visited opiophile and was captivated because of this inner feeling of needing to escape the present. I wasn't interested in vicodin, codeine, none of that shit - I wanted oxycodone without apap because it was the most cost effective at the time. Now I just turned 17. I ordered some morphine pills to be sent to me because I was interested. Only 3 pills, and they're not readily available, so whats the harm? The first time I tried it I felt like I have always wanted to feel. I began using the morphine consistently throughout the day and then the next it was gone. I found a local dealer of roxies, 30mg oxycodone pills. My main ROA was plugging. Snorting/eating had a lower bioavailability and faster absorption rate.
November 2012 I'm using 15mg oxy per day -> December 2012 I was using up to 120mg per day. This was obviously ample time to become physically dependent. I don't need to discuss how I could afford this habit, but I'm never stolen anything. I wasn't hustling in the streets, I was a fucking suburban white kid who understood supply and demand. So December rolls around, I'm straining on the cash and the tolerance being spent on pills (Oxy, dilaudid, and a fentanyl 100mcg gel patch which I smoked in a day), and a black tar heroin dealer enters my life. I was 17, had four months of opiate abuse and made the switch to heroin for financial reasons. Plugging was my ROA until late march and I go to rehab. Got out of rehab 28 days later and I felt like I was ok, I'd just smoke bud and drink and whatever. I still did not understand why I always wanted to be fucked up. I was escaping the moment and an alcoholic stint of maybe 3 weeks didn't do it enough for me, but I kept on. August rolls around, I don't realize why I am self medicating, and I make the conscious choice to go back to heroin. Except I stopped at the needle exchange first.
It's now 9/10/13 and I have 10 days clean again.
That's just where I'm at now. I still have an obsession about using heroin. I dream about putting the needle in my arm, I miss seeing the oozing blood that mixes with the juice in the rig, and I miss the slow pushing of the plunger and closing my fucking eyes wishing that feeling would last forever.
I'm drinking, smoking, abusing my prescription klonopin, ativan and adderall, so it doesn't look to good for me in terms of continuing to stay off of opiates unless I take some action besides realizing I have a self destructive false-self.
Just ask yourself honestly if you're using for recreation or out of habit. Food for thought.
I feel like hell every day. Felonies that are deferred with probation. Was going to uni on the east coast but that isn't happening anymore. Nobody trusts me. You know that if you try it again the same shit is going to happen and you can't always kick the fucking feeling. You don't want to have this lingering in the back of your head your whole life.
Peace and love
Self-destructiveness seems like something you can't fight no matter how well you understand it or how smart you are.
You just described your own situation from an objective point, I mean, you put all the facts in there you do the calculation and badam there's your problem, that's what you've just done - you prove that you understand your problem, yet if it was that easy you wouldn't be where you are now in the first place.
But the only solution the problem we THEN have at hand is that we simply do not understand the original problem well enough, there is something missing. That makes me wonder though if we can even speculate upon what we are not understanding? It seems that no matter how much you know or how well you can use and connect facts, self-destructiveness is practically unavoidable.
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[QUOTE=MrJazzy;42151906]Self-destructiveness seems like something you can't fight no matter how well you understand it or how smart you are.
You just described your own situation from an objective point, I mean, you put all the facts in there you do the calculation and badam there's your problem, that's what you've just done - you prove that you understand your problem, yet if it was that easy you wouldn't be where you are now in the first place.
But the only solution the problem we THEN have at hand is that we simply do not understand the original problem well enough, there is something missing. That makes me wonder though if we can even speculate upon what we are not understanding? It seems that no matter how much you know or how well you can use and connect facts, self-destructiveness is practically unavoidable.[/QUOTE]
When we get an understanding/idea of the nature of our individual self-destructiveness we can set up personal rules to limit us from going too far. That's the best way I can think of to stop yourself from getting into this kind of situation in the first place.
[QUOTE=Mindtwistah;42152614]When we get an understanding/idea of the nature of our individual self-destructiveness we can set up personal rules to limit us from going too far. That's the best way I can think of to stop yourself from getting into this kind of situation in the first place.[/QUOTE]
Right, but that's kind of the thing isn't it? If it was as easy as to just understand the problem it wouldn't be there in the first place, provided you understand the problem.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;42152640]Right, but that's kind of the thing isn't it? If it was as easy as to just understand the problem it wouldn't be there in the first place, provided you understand the problem.[/QUOTE]
With understanding I don't mean a complete comprehension of the psychological/neurobiological factors causing the self-destructive personality or whatever, I mean having an idea of your own limits (+knowledge of the drug you are doing) and know at what point you are entering dangerous territory in order to prevent things from spiraling out of control by stopping yourself beforehand.
But even then understanding does not mean elimination of the problem. It just means you know yourself, but if you do nothing about it using this knowledge it won't matter.
Right but even if you understand the problem, the problem isn't eliminated just like you say - but by understanding you can eliminate it, right? Why is there then still a struggle to eliminate the problem? If it is a problem and you have the knowledge and power to fight it, why don't you? Why do some people still have that struggle?
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;42152707]Right but even if you understand the problem, the problem isn't eliminated just like you say - but by understanding you can eliminate it, right? Why is there then still a struggle to eliminate the problem? If it is a problem and you have the knowledge and power to fight it, why don't you? Why do some people still have that struggle?[/QUOTE]
Because understanding and motivation/action to do something are two very different things entirely and the latter can be very hard for some people (and vice versa). Not to mention the nature of addiction and (especially dopaminergic) drugs in general cloud your judgement and reasoning, distorting your understanding of your limits and effectively fooling yourself. This is why I stress the importance of setting up the rules beforehand and not fully trusting your drugged out or fiending self to know where to put the foot down.
It's not perfect, it's still a struggle to keep yourself by these rules and to know where to set them up in the first place, but it's the best option I can think of when dealing with these potential scenarios.
That makes sense, hmm, insightful. Thanks.
Mindtwistah you hit the nail on the fuckin' head in that last post.
MDMA's pretty good, give that a bash.
I would go for XTC/MDMA as they give you a different experience but don't rocket you into any spacey trips.
black tar heroin
Meth. Definitely meth.
DMT maybe? don't do crack or heroin, that will make your life hell.
[QUOTE=Rex Parsons;42307306]DMT maybe? don't do crack or heroin, that will make your life hell.[/QUOTE]
Life in the fast lane can be fun if you have the money haha, really though, does anyone even need to say that anymore, that crack and heroin and meth are bad, well bad in the sense that you aren't really gonna get anywhere using them frequently? it should just be fairly obvious to any if all adults of today.
[QUOTE=zach1193;42123751]....Did he OD?[/QUOTE]
all recreational drugs have to be done in the right order or you won't have enough tolerance and [I]you will die[/I]
[QUOTE=AaronTAB;42318115]all recreational drugs have to be done in the right order or you won't have enough tolerance and [I]you will die[/I][/QUOTE]
Why did you rate me dumb though? if you go straight to shooting Heroin being opiate naive, you're gonna OD, not necessarily die, but overdose as in you're gonna have a bad time.
MDMA is nice, so is Moxy
EDIT: Some advice: don't do something stupid like taking them like every day, wait at least a month before taking MDMA again and do not, do NOT mix Moxy with ANYTHING. I once mixed it with weed and I had the worst time ever. Basically just have common sense and you'll be set.
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[QUOTE=zach1193;42309804]Life in the fast lane can be fun if you have the money haha, really though, does anyone even need to say that anymore, that crack and heroin and meth are bad, well bad in the sense that you aren't really gonna get anywhere using them frequently? it should just be fairly obvious to any if all adults of today.[/QUOTE]
It's kinda like smoking (cigarettes), nobody needs to be told it's unhealthy for them - everybody knows it, those who do smoke just don't care and there's nothing you can really do about it.
[QUOTE=-=NARH=-;42332761]MDMA is nice, so is Moxy
EDIT: Some advice: don't do something stupid like taking them like every day, wait at least a month before taking MDMA again and do not, do NOT mix Moxy with ANYTHING. I once mixed it with weed and I had the worst time ever. Basically just have common sense and you'll be set.[/QUOTE]
Super opinion right there dude. I've mixed MDMA with weed and just had tons of fun.
[QUOTE=-=NARH=-;42332761]MDMA is nice, so is Moxy
EDIT: Some advice: don't do something stupid like taking them like every day, wait at least a month before taking MDMA again and do not, do NOT mix Moxy with ANYTHING. I once mixed it with weed and I had the worst time ever. Basically just have common sense and you'll be set.[/QUOTE]
I've mixed moxy(5-Meo-mipt) with many drugs without a negative reaction including weed, foxy, mushrooms, 2C-B, benzos, etc. I dunno what you're talking about.
[QUOTE=zach1193;42334459]Super opinion right there dude. I've mixed MDMA with weed and just had tons of fun.[/QUOTE]
Moxy and MDMA are different substances, he was referring to moxy and weed but either way.
[QUOTE=zach1193;42334459]Super opinion right there dude. I've mixed MDMA with weed and just had tons of fun.[/QUOTE]
That wasn't what I said.
I started out with weed when I was 14, from there I went on to drinking, opiates, benzos and speed. I wouldn't recommend that course of action but fuck me man it made for some good times.
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