I think architecture as an object can work, but it has to be done in a certain way. I know this sounds incredibly cliche, but if you look at the City of Arts and Sciences, it's a self-contained unit. It's not a single building that looks out of place, the area around it has been landscaped into public parks that act as a buffer between it and the rest of Valencia. Everything past that park boundary is modern as well, however, which sort of stops it from looking too out of place.
The City of Arts and Sciences acts as a central hub, from which a section of Valencia radiates. And in that context, it works. Yes, when you compare it to Valencia as a whole, it looks incredibly out of place, but it works in its section.
Those are my thoughts, anyway. Sometimes you can make "architecture as an object" work, sometimes you can't. It just depends on how it's done.
I honestly don't know much about this building. Probably because it would be the worst example to lecture students about architecture since it mostly doesn't deal with some of the most fundamental questions. Questions like "how is a building implementet in a city", "what's the subject". In reality, 99% of architecture has to be backed up by good reasoning as to what the concept of the building is. A good concept is one with good economics, structure, tectonics, reasoned implementation and above all proportioned accordingly. If you wage this building by these factors alot seems to be out of place. I can understand why it might look cool to some, mostly because of it's futuristic hull and all that fancy stuff. But it's just uncomparable to what architecture really is all about.
[QUOTE=SwizzChees;46913485]I honestly don't know much about this building. Probably because it would be the worst example to lecture students about architecture since it mostly doesn't deal with some of the most fundamental questions. Questions like "how is a building implementet in a city", "what's the subject". In reality, 99% of architecture has to be backed up by good reasoning as to what the concept of the building is. A good concept is one with good economics, structure, tectonics, reasoned implementation and above all proportioned accordingly. If you wage this building by these factors alot seems to be out of place. I can understand why it might look cool to some, mostly because of it's futuristic hull and all that fancy stuff. But it's just uncomparable to what architecture really is all about.[/QUOTE]
Sure, but I'd be willing to wager a lot of traditional architecture doesn't really fit that either. It just depends on how you look at things, and architecture as a whole.
As an aside, I prefer to look at the [I]City[/I] as a design construct rather than architecture proper, because it aligns more closely with single-use design than a traditional building.
Then again, I'm an enthusiast, you're a student. I assume you know more about this than I do.
[QUOTE=woolio1;46913532]Sure, but I'd be willing to wager a lot of traditional architecture doesn't really fit that either. It just depends on how you look at things, and architecture as a whole.
As an aside, I prefer to look at the [I]City[/I] as a design construct rather than architecture proper, because it aligns more closely with single-use design than a traditional building.[/QUOTE]
I don't know what you mean by "traditional architecture". If you mean to say "compared to modern architecture" then you might be wrong. Modern architecture in itself doens't really exist in the way we compare it to older generations. Since every architect even since greek times had the same questions when man made a building. the style might've changed yes, but it all comes to the same basics. Questions about materialisation, proportion, lightening, structure and humans in your building. you can get quite philosphical there but architecture in it's basics hasn't changed since centuries.
If we keep criticizing this city complex I can only tell you that I'm sure this project could've given the city much more than the way it's built. By that I don't mean to say I could do it better but rather the way I look at it is from the ground. And from there I only see an unnatural object that doesn't sepak to me in any way I could feel comfortable.
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Also sorry if this all sounds very critical, of course you can like and love it. I don't want to change your views at all :v:
If we're going to talk function, let's talk function. The City of Arts and Sciences is a university complex built in a public park. In order of completion, it houses a planetarium and laserium, a science museum and a basketball court, a covered outdoor garden and walkway, an aquarium, an opera house, and an amphitheater.
I think if it were anything other than a museum and recreation complex, it wouldn't work. Calatrava's style isn't fit for residential or commercial architecture, but it's meant to evoke feelings of enlightenment and grandeur that you want in this sort of structure. It looks futuristic so it can feel futuristic. It's built to be cold, but inspiring, and that's what it accomplishes.
It gets crazy, but it gets crazy for a reason. It might not be a good building by any traditional merits, but it certainly makes a statement.
[QUOTE=woolio1;46913753]If we're going to talk function, let's talk function. The City of Arts and Sciences is a university complex built in a public park. In order of completion, it houses a planetarium and laserium, a science museum and a basketball court, a covered outdoor garden and walkway, an aquarium, an opera house, and an amphitheater.
I think if it were anything other than a museum and recreation complex, it wouldn't work. Calatrava's style isn't fit for residential or commercial architecture, but it's meant to evoke feelings of enlightenment and grandeur that you want in this sort of structure. It looks futuristic so it can feel futuristic. It's built to be cold, but inspiring, and that's what it accomplishes.
It gets crazy, but it gets crazy for a reason. It might not be a good building by any traditional merits, but it certainly makes a statement.[/QUOTE]
again, "traditional" is quite a broad term to use.
I wasn't talking about function but if you look at the buildings they don't really make the impression he modeled with that as a priority in mind. Rather his conceptor rather subject of his building was to use biological, sceleton like engineered structures as a hull to store the functions inside. but we get down to what somebody prefers in architecture and I surely can't and don't want to change any oppinions there. I was just taught to question more if you see a building you like. If you're enthusiatic about architecture there are some great books I can reccomend you!
[url]http://www.designboom.com/architecture/3m-headquarters-minnesota-atelier-hitoshi-abe-07-08-2014/[/url]
There aren't many good pictures that I can find of the outside of the buildings, but 3M's architecture and design on their newer, more renovated buildings is quite cool.
[QUOTE=AugustBurnsRed;46913979][url]http://www.designboom.com/architecture/3m-headquarters-minnesota-atelier-hitoshi-abe-07-08-2014/[/url]
There aren't many good pictures that I can find of the outside of the buildings, but 3M's architecture and design on their newer, more renovated buildings is quite cool.[/QUOTE]
I like the minimalism, but I can't help but feel that it'll feel incredibly dated in the future. It feels like it's trying real hard to feel "futuristic," which detracts from some of the neater design choices.
Think about how bad "futuristic" designs of the 80s looked, and then imagine this 3M complex in 40 years.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;46914482]I like the minimalism, but I can't help but feel that it'll feel incredibly dated in the future. It feels like it's trying real hard to feel "futuristic," which detracts from some of the neater design choices.
Think about how bad "futuristic" designs of the 80s looked, and then imagine this 3M complex in 40 years.[/QUOTE]
Wait, you're telling me the 3M Complex isn't trying to emulate the futurism of the 80s? Because those are the vibes I got when I was looking at those pictures, and if I'm honest, I kind of liked it.
[QUOTE=AugustBurnsRed;46913979][url]http://www.designboom.com/architecture/3m-headquarters-minnesota-atelier-hitoshi-abe-07-08-2014/[/url]
There aren't many good pictures that I can find of the outside of the buildings, but 3M's architecture and design on their newer, more renovated buildings is quite cool.[/QUOTE]
Spaceship architecture :v:
the courtyard reminds me of paris:
[IMG]http://socks-studio.com/img/blog/renaudie-ivry-01-800x1158.jpg[/IMG]
That Paris thing's really neat. What's the deal with that?
If you've still got those books, Cheeze, I'd love to hear them. Might see if they're available in our campus library.
(Also, welcome to all the new readers that find us due to the shuffle. We're glad to have you.)
Good read. I've always had a vague interest in architecture, but I've never really acted on it before. Now that I am starting to design game levels, I realize that I have no idea how buildings work. I haven't had much luck with Google Images, what are some styles that you see every day?
[QUOTE=Ott;46927800]Good read. I've always had a vague interest in architecture, but I've never really acted on it before. Now that I am starting to design game levels, I realize that I have no idea how buildings work. I haven't had much luck with Google Images, what are some styles that you see every day?[/QUOTE]
Well, that's an interesting question. I live in the South, and I go to one of the biggest colleges in the state, so I see everything from colonialism to brutalism. I'll try to take some pictures while I'm out today and post them here, so you can get a better idea of what my town looks like.
The Shingle style has long been my favorite for residential constructions.
[IMG]http://tmsarchitects.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Shingle-Style-Home4.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://www.homebunch.com/wp-content/uploads/1306.jpg[/IMG]
It allows for extensive geometric, material, and spatial experimentation, but when you first see it you instantly recognize it as "home". Minimalism is appealing to me, but it seems far too cold and sterile for a place in which a human will live. Businesses, yes, living space, no. Shingle and similar styles build from classical American Colonial and Victorian building styles, and retain some of the timelessness of a classic house. There's a little Art Deco sprinkled here and there, too.
[IMG]http://www.ou.edu/class/arch4443/Latitudinarianism&American%20Indv/Watts%20Sherman%20House.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://img2-1.timeinc.net/toh/i/g/0806_housestyles/house-styles-11.jpg[/IMG]
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But there is a much worse gate, the west gate, or the Genex Tower:
[thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Jugotours_Beograd_Dec_2003.jpg[/thumb]
Ewww. That thing isn't a super-secret missile silo, by the way. Apparently there's a revolving restaurant on top, but idk. Apart from being ugly as fuck and right next to the goddamn highway so there is no silence, one of the "towers" is covered in a giant billboard because how ugly it is. The shorter thingy is office, and the smaller one is office space some shit company Genex(that by the way really adores being in strange buildings) I think the bigger one is the one with the advertisements. By the way it's the tallest residential tower in Serbia, being 140m tall including the revolving restaurant[/QUOTE]
It looks like someone tried to convert a grain silo into an office complex and then slapped a knockoff space needle on top. It could look way, way worse, but still...
[QUOTE=LVL FACTORY;46933049]But there is a much worse gate, the west gate, or the Genex Tower:
[thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Jugotours_Beograd_Dec_2003.jpg[/thumb]
Ewww. That thing isn't a super-secret missile silo, by the way. Apparently there's a revolving restaurant on top, but idk. Apart from being ugly as fuck and right next to the goddamn highway so there is no silence, one of the "towers" is covered in a giant billboard because how ugly it is. The shorter thingy is office, and the smaller one is office space some shit company Genex(that by the way really adores being in strange buildings) I think the bigger one is the one with the advertisements. By the way it's the tallest residential tower in Serbia, being 140m tall including the revolving restaurant[/QUOTE]
I think this thing encompasses everything wrong with commie-era "vanity projects" within its being
Yeah, that's pretty bad...
I'm going to post some of my work here yet, I'm glad someone finally made an architecture thread. However, I just got back from a 12 hour flight so I go sleep now.
I remade the graphic design thread for anyone who misses it, I know I do already. Please help bring it back to life! It was my favourite thread and I loved being able to post work their and give and receive critique.
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[thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Jugotours_Beograd_Dec_2003.jpg[/thumb]
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it's like trellick's bastard son
[img]http://i.imgur.com/XfqCfJN.jpg[/img]
So, I went around my campus and took a few pictures today. I think a few of these weren't in the photo dump from the other day.
This is our library. It looks like boxes.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/SAlIjY4.jpg[/t]
This is the administrative tower. The Chancellor's office is up there, and I think the University's accountants are holed up there too.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/dgfH3Nb.jpg[/t]
There's an identical tower over by the Humanities building, I'll try to get a better angle when it's sunny. The library photo was taken from the Humanities complex, there's a little indoor bridge that connects the tower to the other building.
These are the most brutalist buildings here in Terre Haute.
[t]http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/tribstar.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/4/17/41732a15-139d-52c6-a02e-2c736c12bd59/53e1ff1ae30eb.image.jpg[/t]
I want to say thank you so much for creating an architecture thread, I had no idea this existed until now. Gonna visit this a lot from now on. If anyone's still interested in Midwestern architecture though, here's an album of reference photos I took in Denver, Colorado. They're not great pictures but for those who care, you can see some of the renovations in city planning it went through pretty recently.
[url]http://imgur.com/a/zWjUE/all[/url]
[t]http://i.imgur.com/d5Erh.jpg[/t] [t]http://i.imgur.com/lRRhk.jpg[/t]
Heh, another thing that's a bit of a mess is the campus I used to go to.
[img]http://www.cultiris.com/kepek/thumb/62864/w/photo/artist-schffer-laszlo/az-elte-lagymanyosi-campusanak-egyik-epulete-budapest.jpg[/img]
From the outside, it already looks like two buildings smashed together, but on the inside... Well, the red part is largely coherent, but you normally enter through the flat part, which fits kind of badly to the big white part, which also fits quite badly to the large red part. The place like a maze, and quite inconsistent in its interior decoration.
The college I'm gonna be attending next year, St. Olaf, has some pretty neat architecture. It's mostly made of beautifully-done old-fashioned stonework, which looks fucking amazing in the winter. It's set on a big-ass hill in the middle of nowhere, so a lot of the buildings are built into slopes (which is awesome). Two buildings are on the national register of historic places.
[t]http://www.stolaf.edu/map/images/Regents1.gif[/t]
[t]http://dea.aiachicago.org/2010/images/photos/ins_298_03Regentsaerial.jpg[/t]
[t]http://www.stolaf.edu/map/images/Holland2.gif[/t]
[t]http://www.theboldtcompany.com/imgs/projects/main/194_1312405523.jpg[/t]
[t]http://bronitskyandassociates.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/image0068.jpg[/t]
When I went interrailing across Europe one of the most memorable examples of unique architecture was in Prague. Prague castle had a really cool ceiling in one of the rooms. Feels elvish.
[t]http://puu.sh/eHy1D/9b1d153970.jpg[/t]
I also like the style of roofing in Prague as well like at Charles Bridge.
[t]http://puu.sh/eHytJ/7ec3eb548c.jpg[/t]
Also Hungarian Parliament.
[t]http://puu.sh/eHyJd/fc47b5d3d7.jpg[/t]
In a flash of inspiration during a literature class I thought up a new coffee table design that just felt right from the moment I sketched it, so I came home and did a very rough 3D model of it to see how it looks. I seriously think I'm going to start fabrication on it tomorrow.
[img]http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a345/ajackss/rensa_zps8d0de6f0.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Ntag;46961415]When I went interrailing across Europe one of the most memorable examples of unique architecture was in Prague. Prague castle had a really cool ceiling in one of the rooms. Feels elvish.
[t]http://puu.sh/eHy1D/9b1d153970.jpg[/t]
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One of my professors from last year actually was doing doctorate research on that ceiling. Its amazing how interesting a lecture on a single ceiling can be. You should do some research on it, the masons that built it were really amazing obviously, but there are some interesting "jokes" almost and stuff within the way some of the ribs meet and stuff.
They are also incredibly cool because where as most ceiling ribs bend in 1 direction, these bend in 2. Part of her research was trying to figure out how they could possibly have planned out such a ceiling before hand without 3D drawing technology.
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[QUOTE=Ajacks;46975858]In a flash of inspiration during a literature class I thought up a new coffee table design that just felt right from the moment I sketched it, so I came home and did a very rough 3D model of it to see how it looks. I seriously think I'm going to start fabrication on it tomorrow.
[img]http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a345/ajackss/rensa_zps8d0de6f0.png[/img][/QUOTE]
This table is seriously cool. I can't help but feel that it might be interested with a rounded top too so that the bend reverses itself.
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Here are some photos I've taken of buildings around North America. [url]http://www.kenoncreative.com/portfoliophotos.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Ntag;46961415]When I went interrailing across Europe one of the most memorable examples of unique architecture was in Prague. Prague castle had a really cool ceiling in one of the rooms. Feels elvish.
[t]http://puu.sh/eHy1D/9b1d153970.jpg[/t]
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That is an awesome ceiling. It's the kind of thing that really makes you want to take a trip to Europe. Might start planning one soon...
[editline]20th January 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Smeetin;46977377]
Here are some photos I've taken of buildings around North America. [URL]http://www.kenoncreative.com/portfoliophotos.html[/URL][/QUOTE]
Fantastic stuff, really. Do you do prints? I just want to plaster my walls in those photos, and I'm not sure that's healthy.
Also, would you mind if I grab some of these for the OP? I think it'd be cool to have some "local" talent featured up there.
[QUOTE=Ajacks;46975858]In a flash of inspiration during a literature class I thought up a new coffee table design that just felt right from the moment I sketched it, so I came home and did a very rough 3D model of it to see how it looks. I seriously think I'm going to start fabrication on it tomorrow.
[img]http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a345/ajackss/rensa_zps8d0de6f0.png[/img][/QUOTE]
Seems too narrow.
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