[QUOTE=Dan The Man;21993581]Pseudoephedrine/ephedrine are part of the process. But that's one of the easily available precursors. Pseudoephedrine alone is pretty useless.[/QUOTE]
Well yes, unless you need to clear up a sinus canal but Pseudoephedrine is a main ingredient of Meth. While in the process of making meth, the other ingredients needed can be bought in over the counter pharmacies.
The dangers of meth are overblown.
The majority of side effects aren't a result of the drug, but a result of people becoming careless because of the drug or lacking the self control to avoid self destruction while on it.
Crack on the other hand completely trashes you.
My friend at work was on meth daily and managed to go off it by smoking weed, and he didn't get messed up from it at all.
[QUOTE=Dan The Man;21924106]If you took a single dose, sure, Meth is worse, but Crack is so morish, which is what makes it so bad.[/QUOTE]
If you take a single dose i don't think either are that bad for you, it's the addictive feelings you feel afterward that are terrible and and meth is far worse in that case.
Yeah, I was under the impression that Meth was a lot more addictive. I remember seeing a documentary (this was on TV, so the actual facts of the matter might be up for debate) that detailed how Meth destroys a certain part of your brain responsible for self-control and that kind of thing with only a few uses.
It doesn't destroy it, at least not permanently .
Also, meth is made out of household toxins and shit, you really never know what is in your meth because generally speaking the dealers dont always follow the same recipe and use whatever they have to create it.
I get the impression they're about as physically addictive however crack is a much shorter high and people take it again to get through the crash whereas meth is a pretty lengthy high, but then again that's just an outsiders assumptions
meth is worst cause it is most synthetic. Crack is a derivative of cocaine and cocaine is a derivative of the coca plant
[QUOTE=Ncccookiees;21972470]The process of synthesizing meth is a lot more destructive than the effects of crack-cocaine. It destroys the environment and poisons those around the area.[/QUOTE]
The question was "What's worse for [I]you[/I]?" When you take into consideration the drug's effects on society, the question becomes harder though. Even then, I'd still put crack cocaine above meth. The number of robberies and violent crimes committed by methamphetamine users are considerably lower than that of crack users.
[QUOTE=xxFoxxx;22006314]Yeah, I was under the impression that Meth was a lot more addictive. I remember seeing a documentary (this was on TV, so the actual facts of the matter might be up for debate) that detailed how Meth destroys a certain part of your brain responsible for self-control and that kind of thing with only a few uses.[/QUOTE]
I've always heard crack was more addictive. I've done meth, never really felt any sort of "addiction" qualities to it. Never touched crack, never will, it's too addictive and scary.
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[QUOTE=jesse194;22074390]meth is worst cause it is most synthetic. Crack is a derivative of cocaine and cocaine is a derivative of the coca plant[/QUOTE]
Synthetics and natural means nothing. Some natural things are more destructive than synthetics. Thinking about it like that is idiotic.
I've never touched crack either, it's a pointless drug in my opinion.
Heroin is natural. It's pretty safe, but addictiveness skyrockets.
But natural/synthetic means nothing to me. Both can fuck you up either way.
[QUOTE=kobilica;22081078]Heroin is natural.[/QUOTE]
Morphine is natural, heroin isn't
bump for interest.
Also crack is worse for you.
[QUOTE=Qwerty?;22084108]Morphine is natural, heroin isn't[/QUOTE]
Well, the chemical converts into morphine anyway.
Should say morphine instead.
[QUOTE=kobilica;22100260]Well, the chemical converts into morphine anyway.
Should say morphine instead.[/QUOTE]
Heh i know what you mean i just felt like being pedantic
Crack isn't all that addictive if you have some self control. I've tried it, and yes, it was fun. But if you some self control, both are fine.
[QUOTE=kobilica;22100260]Well, the chemical converts into morphine anyway.
Should say morphine instead.[/QUOTE]
Diacetylmorphine (heroin) is much more lipid-soluble than Morphine itself, meaning it is absorbed by fats in the brain and crosses the blood-brain barrier much more quickly. I think it also has another metabolite that morphine does not produce, but I'm not sure what it is. They're pretty different.
Directly from my head I think it's something like 6-acetylmorphine or 6-hydromorphine.
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More accurate
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Well overall... I would say Meth and Crack are theeee 2 worst drugs.
Worse than heroin only because heroin addiction can be overcome like an alcoholic overcomes an addition to alcohol.
I have done both drugs and I can tell you they are both really really bad.
Crack is the worst drug for acute damage... Damage right now... hit for hit.
They shouldn't even call it crack, they should call it brain fry. Because that's what it is. One big hit of that shit, and it hits your brain like a tonne of bricks. Your dopamine levels between all the synapses in your brain skyrocket to such highlevels that it's completely unstable for the brain. So your nerve cells are all firing like crazy, continuously, uncontrollably... and it causes a permanent change in the brain... the nerve cells get scared and down regulate the dopeamine receptors so they don't have to go through hell again.
They do this PERMANENTLY. That's it... you hit that shit and you are addicted for life. It's not like alcoholism where you can quit if you reduce your drinking, or smoking where if you battle the cravings and fight for a month your okay... or heroin. All 3 of those addictions you can slowly reduce and get yourself off.
Crack... the body will never change back to normal ever again. That's it... the big bang. Your done, you should have just slit your throat instead. Your nerve cells downregulated the receptors so much, that you are just so irritable... you can't experience pleasure anymore, from your favorite music, your favorite food, or sex. The only pleasure you can get is from more crack. Imagine that...
It causes tight constriction of arteries in your entire body... the heart is working overtime.
I did it my first time and I had never experienced anything more pleasureable in my life... it was just intense, pure, white pleasure.
I had to do it again. I just had to, next time I did it... The aftermath was laying in bed with my heart beating out of rythym, faster faster, then it would stop, then it started spasming... I layed there sweating... there was nothing I could do now to turn back time. My brain felt like glass was ripping it apart from the inside, synapses were being ripped apart, memories, thoughts, my neural connections inside my mind. I thought I was going to die, and I didn't even bother calling 911 because my Mom was sleeping in her room and I didn't want to wake her. This was a definite overdose.
I have never been the same since... Attention problems, short term memory problems, long term memory problems, no sex drive, no pleasure in life, anxiety, occasional panic attacks. I have a slight parkinson's syndrome, sometimes my fingers twitch... I tried doing dips at the gym and my arms shake. Do it enough... and you can't even stand still you do the "Crack dance" that is if you don't have a heart attack if you get to that extent of damage. Mind you Meth users experience similar brain damage.
That's it... done... I'm trapped like this, and I know if I hit that shit again it will just do more damage so I don't. It's been well over a year. And there is only a small improvement even though I exercise, eat perfectly healthy, take supplements, and research day in and day out on how to fix the problem.
Crack addiction and damage is permanent... The difference between cocaine and crack... is actually huge even though they are the same drug. Crack has the Hydrogen proton taken off with a base, and so this allows it to be smoked without destroying the drug. In addition to that, it makes it more fat soluble and so it crosses the blood brain barrier that much faster. And it's smoked... Goes to the lungs, the heart, and then it hits the brain. And you go to heaven for a few mintues, then you goto hell forever.
Cocaine that is snorted is absorbed slowly and goes to the brain much slower. So is less likely to create addiction... unless it is injected. But injecting isn't even as bad as smoking because of the chemical change the cocaine went through.
Meth I only did once a long time ago... but just took a few hits, and it felt like I drank 20 cups of coffee. But I don't think Meth is as bad as Crack is hit for hit. So smoking a whole 1 gram of crack will cause more acute damage(damage done right now) than a 1 gram of meth will.
But meth is cheaper, is likely to be mixed with other poisonous chemicals, and will keep you high for days! In fact I believe that if someone smoked enough meth... they could actually get as high as someone that smoked a bit of crack... but the METH high keeps you high! Can you imagine how hard that is on the brain?
Can you say brain fry??? I think so. If you do enough METH it can damage you just as bad as a hit of crack. But you keep doing it, your up for days, you aren't eating and getting any nutrition, you aren't getting sleep. I have read of stories of people that have done METH for a few years and came clean for a year... they still can't even think and their minds still don't function.
The METH addiction... like the CRACK addiction, will cause permanent life long damage to the brain that is irreversible.
We are talking about dopamine receptors being downregulated so there are very few receptors at the synapse... essentially this is what creates the addiction itself. We are talking about dendrites being snipped, neurons dieing, neurons being overworked and exhausing their energy to nothing. Sometimes a mini stroke might happen... or even a stroke. And that will kill that part of the brain.
METH and CRACK are the 2 worst drugs that cause permanent life long addictions and the damage cannot be undone. These are the 2 worst drugs.
CRACK is worse for acute damage though. That is hit for hit. But if you get yourself as high as a hit of CRACK does with METH? You just did more damage because the METH high is prolonged for that much longer. So just imagine someone that just did several grams of METH in one sitting?
Both highs are very similar because they make high levels of dopeamine at the synapse. CRACK does this by blocking the re-uptake of dopeamine with the dopeamine pump. METH does this by taking up the vessicles inside the neuron and displacing the Dopeamine outside of the neuron at the synapse. The CRACK high is more intense, but the cocaine doesn't sit in the re-uptake pump for very long. The METH of course... keeps you high for a very long time. That's a main difference but either way it's a dopamine high for both drugs.
I say they are worse than heroin indefinitely. The problem with heroin is the needle sharing and risk of HIV and HEP C... but take that factor away and it is nothing in comparison in terms of damage it does to the brain. BUT heroin does damage the brain as well just in different ways, and usually not as bad.
Also drugs of addiction affect the dopeamine in the brain... whether it's a cigarette, heroin, gambling, alcoholism. They all cause that good feeling of dopeamine being released. However these drugs don't directly affect dopeamine levels in the way METH and cocaine, or CRACK do. They indirectly affect dopeamine levels. But METH and CRACK... they act directly on the dopeamine. They are the definition of addiction... straight to the dopeamines.
That is the feeling of excitment and pleasure you get from the day to day things in life if you are the type of person that doesn't use drugs. Or maybe you just aced an exam... or play sports and just scored a goal. Or just listened to your favorite song. These are the feelings of dopeamine that are experienced naturally. The drugs will kill these circuits in the brain... and they will not work anymore. It's sad... it's like the soul has been sucked dry.
I hope that can answer your question :) I have experienced the drugs first hand, researched them, and know about the way they affect the human mind.
This thread has made me realize that gatorade bottles are ideal for piss containers. No more getting it on the sides.
[QUOTE=jesse194;22074390]meth is worst cause it is most synthetic. Crack is a derivative of cocaine and cocaine is a derivative of the coca plant[/QUOTE]
Hey look Belladonna must be super safe because it's natural.
I'm amazed how much higher up Meth is. Meth is less toxic to your body.
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